268: Bugsy Malone Mafia - Game over. Mod learns lesson

[Adele]

Anyway, we're not claiming

roles

- it's been suggested that there are no names in the movie that reek of the doc role in the way that there are clear cops.

[Maz Medias]

/agree Adele

8)

[Foolster41]

So do you want me to full claim? It's a little differant than evenone seems to think it is.

MM: What is EBWOP? Also I don't understand your logic for thinking Stark and broomhead are scum together.

And What is IIC? The person who said that never exaplained it.

[Maz Medias]

EBWOP: Edit by way of post.

@Foolster: I get accused of being your scum buddy because I say your role is believable. Broomhead says the EXACT SAME THING about Stark's role and is, thus, subject to the same conclusion.

[chaotic_diablo]

Diablo, I strongly disagree with you that trying to outguess a mod on his own game is a good idea. It becomes a total WIFOM: "That's what he wants me to think.. or maybe he wants me to think that that's what he wants me to think...?"

Even if it's WIFOM, not all of it is. For instance, didn't the mod post that we couldn't mass name claim day one? It's already apparent that the strategy isn't useless. In fact, this whole mass name claim is basiclly outguessing the mod, picking out the bad names and moving on.

I still think Diablo's play is very odd, and Broomhead's relentless poking for information reeks of mafia.

I don't really care if you think my play is odd.

[quote="maz]

FoS Stark and Broomhead of being a scum group

[/quote]

Good point. Besides, the scum already knows who a claimed cop is, so they have pretty much the juiciest information they could hope for; a full claim will leave us better-organized for the 'morrow.

???

[MeMe]

Here're the facts:
--vIQles has said that if you're bad in the movie, you're bad in the game. No surprise alignments.
--vIQles said that a mass claim would swing things too far in favor of the town.

Unless he was being particularly crafty (which I seriously doubt), point two basically informed us that the scum have not been provided with "safe" claims.

So, barring anyone else claiming to have a non-proper name (and the only ones yet to say are Maz & Fritzler), Foolster's got to be lying. The only reason for making one pro-town role completely different from every other role in the game is to diminish the power of claiming -- it's basically a "you'll look like a liar when you claim" role. Since vIQles obviously didn't even consider mass claiming when he wrote the game, he also wouldn't have written a role to diminish the power of a mass claim.

Adele, I understand your feeling of it being unfair. But this is about being

smart

. I think it's clear that Foolster's likely to be scum. There's no reason to go forward with a plan that has served its purpose. As Tamuz said, let the scum stay as in the dark as possible.

vote: Foolster41

, I think that's three on him.

[chaotic_diablo]

Meme has a point. The only thing that might mess everything up is if the mod decided to give safe nameclaims for scum during the night.

[broomhead]

so is the main consensus that i should claim?

[Tamuz]

claim 1-2 manana with chaos 3

What does this bit mean?

It means my top three to claim tommorow orderwise would be those three. Broom & Max I don't care who goes frst or second, but I'd like the two to go first and chaos next.

Broom, for one do, then again I'd be just as happy to hear it tommorow

[Foolster41]

Fine I'm just going to put all my cards on the table since it looks like I'm going to be lynched anyway.

as I said before, I'm not a plain townie at all. At night I can ask if a target play is bugsy Malone. If I find him I become a mason group with him. I was also told that BM is a vig.

On the first night I targeted Meme and I got the answer "no"

I still think it may be a mistake to lynch me, even I was purly vanilla, because it's always better to lynch mafia. But on the other hand, I guess I can understand being worrred about outing more power roles.

[Adele]

I (and others) signed up for a mass nameclaim that may break the game for the town. MeMe thinks we should lynch Foolster now? I think that's best for the scum. Foolster is not a perfect lynch - he's pretty good, but there's every chance we can do a lot better. My claim, on the other hand, was an absolute

gift

to the scum if taken in isolation. Right now they have more useful info than we do. Now is

not

the time to stop. The plan has not yet served its purpose; as things stand, I honestly think it has harmed the town.

Look, if I die and the town wins, I call that a win for me. This is about the bigger picture, and I think changing the plan now is a big, big mistake.

I think we're due for our next claim.

[stark]

Can we get Fritzler to claim? I am interested to hear his. Does your role, Fritz, have anything to do with the cracking of knuckles?

[Maz Medias]

@stark Back off. This is agreed to be a NAME claim, isn't it?
@Foolster: BM? Are those the initials for a character or a player?
@Adele: /agree
@Meme: You're WAY too anxious to hang Foolster just because his role isn't perfectly solid. Once more: don't outguess the mod, because you're only right half of the time.
@Diablo: Stop agreeing so much, scum.
@broomhead: You'd be my choice, yeah, since SOMEONE jumped out of line. Foolster was the proper chooser of next target and he chose you.
@Maz: No more @posts.

[Tamuz]

Counter Claim time baby. We caught Foolster in a lie.

I am Bugsy Malone, I am a limited mason. My goal is to fiind Blousey. I found her last night, but she also died so I had no chance to talk with her.
The part about the Fritzler findng me and becoming a mason check out with similarity to my role W/ Blousey.

However [most mportant part] I AM NOT A VIG. Why Foolster would put out I'm a vig or not I don't know I'm very interested in learning more about the Foolster.

In my eyes he is a better lynch for the lie, but I'm heavy with doubt.

If I have choice, Broomhead claims next.

[Maz Medias]

Tamuz.. why should we believe that? It's very odd that you'd just happen to have limited, and unprovable, masonry when Foolster also claimed limited masonry.

I can understand you not being a vig, yes; if that was all you had said, I'd be inclined to believe you. With the masonry there, however, I think you're trying a bit too hard.

[Adele]

If we're mass claiming, I don't see why every post by those who've yet to name-claim doesn't have a claim. Do I want broomhead to claim? Yes; I want

everyone

to claim, and we can sort out counter-claims and accusations after.

So if you haven't claimed, and your next post doesn't include a claim, could it please include an explanation? Ta.

[Maz Medias]

I thought we were doing it in order, according to the previous way. Apparently not.

I'll wait until everyone else says we're just doing it whenever, though, since this is a large change.

[MeMe]

I think this is unbefreakin-lievable, myself.

--Foolster's got a suspect role name
--Foolster's claim doesn't match the Bugsy claim

I think that Foolster is lying through his teeth. I believe that his extended claim was designed simply to out Bugsy since it seemed likely he was going to die.

I don't understand why anyone would think it benefits scum more than town to STOP HANDING OUT INFORMATION. It seems entirely clear to me that Foolster is the best lynch for the day. Is anyone else going to 1) claim a non-name or 2) be denounced by another player?? And, if so, can't we just wait for tomorrow for that and

keep the scum in the dark for a little longer??

If EVERYONE else thinks we need to continue claiming, I'll go along with it -- but Adele's preference that everyone should claim in their next post or explain why they're not is extremely off. Our goal in a mass claim should be to get the scum to go as early as possible -- not just to tell them what NOT to claim by willingly going ahead of them. There's

no way

I'm just offering up my name without the others who've been asked to claim ahead of me going first.

If we're continuing with the mass claim, broomhead should have to go next. Adele picked Foolster who picked broomhead. But I renew my objection to continuing when it's clear we've got a prime candidate for the noose right in front of us.

[Tamuz]

I think this is unbefreakin-lievable, myself.

--Foolster's got a suspect role name
--Foolster's claim doesn't match the Bugsy claim

I think that Foolster is lying through his teeth. I believe that his extended claim was designed simply to out Bugsy since it seemed likely he was going to die.

I don't understand why anyone would think it benefits scum more than town to STOP HANDING OUT INFORMATION. It seems entirely clear to me that Foolster is the best lynch for the day. Is anyone else going to 1) claim a non-name or 2) be denounced by another player?? And, if so, can't we just wait for tomorrow for that and

keep the scum in the dark for a little longer??

If EVERYONE else thinks we need to continue claiming, I'll go along with it -- but Adele's preference that everyone should claim in their next post or explain why they're not is extremely off. Our goal in a mass claim should be to get the scum to go as early as possible -- not just to tell them what NOT to claim by willingly going ahead of them. There's

no way

I'm just offering up my name without the others who've been asked to claim ahead of me going first.

If we're continuing with the mass claim, broomhead should have to go next. Adele picked Foolster who picked broomhead. But I renew my objection to continuing when it's clear we've got a prime candidate for the noose right in front of us.

Hence the reason I clamed. We have foolster with a very very iffy claim. Not to mention he lied about Bugsy being a vig.

I am Bugsy, you can tell by no counterclaim, if there is a counter claim we will have 2 scum, even if you guys do lynch me. I'm also fine with bringing my character out because I have no abilites now that Blousey is dead.

Maz, who else would Bugsy Mason with? 10/10 times it would be his woman AKA Blousey. 'Taint my fault scum killed her.

Soooo in short. Vote foolster

[Adele]

I am Bugsy, you can tell by no counterclaim

In two hours, there's not been a counterclaim. That's not to say there won't be one. We've also not given Foolster a chance to answer your accusations.

That's not the point. We aren't claiming to find one

probable

scum. Who first suggested that that was preferable to finding all the scum? Oh, it was MeMe.

If EVERYONE else thinks we need to continue claiming, I'll go along with it -- but Adele's preference that everyone should claim in their next post or explain why they're not is extremely off.

Why's that? I mean, it's not the most appalling request. You did it (chose the second option). Wish I'd picked you to claim next. Oh well, too late now.

FOS: MeMe

I think the turn-based claiming's dumb. It gives people too many chances to try to derail the mass claim, as MeMe's been doing. Or, at least, people should claim and name the next claimant

immediately

(same post), so we can get through this without people having the chance to try to undermine the tactic again.

Also, Broomhead

so is the main consensus that i should claim?

I for one favour you claiming now, if only to get this going again.

[Maz Medias]

I'm not saying that Bugsy would mason with the down-and-out. But I do see that the down-and-out would mason with Bugsy.

Flavor: The down-and-outs have NOTHING before Bugsy rallies them.

/agree with Adele on continuing the mass claim.

[MeMe]

Adele -- do you think that Foolster is likely to be scum?

[Adele]

Yes, reasonably likely. Not certain, but better than nothing.

[MeMe]

Then shouldn't you be satisfied with your choice rather than wishing you'd "picked [me] to claim next"?

[Adele]

Because I think you're acting very scummy. I can't wait to hear your claim; I think it might be a great deal shakier than Foolster's.