Mini 1141 - Frogs Mafia 2 - GAME, SET, MATCH

[MrBuddyLee]

@implosion, how is this:

Regarding pj's kill - I'm strongly against democratically deciding who it's used on, actually. Voicing opinions is perfectly fine, but petroleumjelly should have the final say in who is killed. It tells us more about his alignment if he's scum, and if he's town then we have a kill being directed by town. Democratic daykilling didn't really work in the only other game I've played with daykills (Cyclic experimentation) since they allowed the mafia to have too much control over the kill. I'm definitely for a kill on either mozamis or Meransiel, however.

any different from this:

I'm okay with Meransiel's plan of L-1 claims/dayvigging if dayvigging is determined appropriate.

considering L-1 dayvigging is democratic and gives mafia significant control over the kill?


@CES, what do you think of Meransiel?

[MrBuddyLee]

Surely you must see BuddyLee's obfuscation and waffle for what is it, scum trying to confuse everyone. Note how he keeps trying to get people to name their other suspects. Deflects from him.
Hence why, for the time being I am not going to say whe else I find suspicious, until we lynch Buddy. Unless he/someone else does a really good job of persuading me he is town.

Haha, yeah, when I play mafia as town I usually ask people to name their favorite colors and astrological signs because I don't want to obfuscate and waffle shit up with people's suspects.

[Darkstrike_11]

yo MBL, what is your opinion on Meransiel? I'm having trouble with a read.

[MrBuddyLee]

re: Meransiel, I recently posted:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2924070
Conclusion: not sure, guy's weird, has choppy English, and is sloppy. Part of my hesitation about Meransiel is a bad attack or two on him and some piling on by others. Examples:

VERY happy with where my vote is at (Meransiel) due to the rolefishing that just went on in 79. Yay for IIoA, defending a scum-lurker-buddy (most likely) and rolefishing within the first 4 pages of a mini theme. I don't know if this could get any easier.

doesn't this just seem really.. obvious? I mean. So obvious. Moz and meransiel. Everyone weigh in on them. Is there something funky going on here or what?

The rolefishing accusation looks weak, IIOA accusation is fairly weak, defending a lurkerbuddy accusation is wrong, presumptuous and weak besides. Overly certain (and Truant followed that vote up with an overly certain vote on me that's wrong, so Truant's rationale/proportionality/motives are in question.)

OGML's attack is just plain bad--"hey guys, a bunch of you suspect mozamis and Meransiel so isn't it obvious they're scum together? talk more about it!" and when pressed backpedals and admits Meransiel might be town, without citing evidence. Super sketchy.

scot's attacks on Meransiel are ok, Amrun's are nonspecific, implosion's focus on the illogical and weird which is ok but not always accurate.

So yeah, Meransiel's done some scummy things and not really scumhunted a ton (suspected scot, mozamis) but I'm not sold on the overall picture. You?

[mozamis]

In Buddys above post, note how most of it is him listing other people's accusations of Meransial, and at the end of it saying "so yeah, Meransiel's done some scummy things".
Clearly, someone being attacked doesn't mean that someone is scummy.
So he still paints a vague picture of Mernasiel as scum, mainly it seems, based on other people attacking mernasiel as scum.
ps YES I AM DEFENDING MERANSIAL lol

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That's not what that post is saying.

@MBL, I'd put him at about 35%.

[mozamis]

That's not what that post is saying.

@MBL, I'd put him at about 35%.

Look at it again. Almost all of it is MBL listing other peoples reasons for voting/suspicious of Meran.

[mozamis]

in fact, the third line down until the penultimate line is just that.
As PJ said eaarlier, he is trying to keep people uneasy about Meransiel without actually sticking his own neck out.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Bad attacks => target is town.

[Amrun]

^^ But he said some attacks were good and some were bad and some were okay.

Also, bad attacks does not always mean target is town. Some people are just bad at building cases.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The picture he was sketching was clearly one of a possible mislynch being pushed.

[mozamis]

anyway, i just wanted to point out that NONE of that post by Buddy showed that Meransial was scummy.
Merely that other peope had made attacks on Meransial.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

But that wasn't the intent.

[Amrun]

So, what is the point of saying that? Do you think he is saying Merensial is scum, mozamis?

[mozamis]

So, what is the point of saying that? Do you think he is saying Merensial is scum, mozamis?

I think PJ answered this better than I probably will. But Buddy is definitely trying to get us to be suspicious of Meransial, without saying so explicitly. Quite what the point of such a scum tactic is, I'm not sure.

[mozamis]

I guess to sow confusion and paranoia? Or maybe to put me and Mernasial together as scum partners? Not sure tbh.

[Amrun]

MBL, what was your intent? What is your read on Merensial?

[MrBuddyLee]

Amrun, I've been asked for my read on Meransiel twice in the past two pages and replied twice. You're not reading the thread very carefully. Also, I asked you if you would deliver on your promise from a while back:

I wanted to do a player rn down but I won't until we finally have everyone on board.

Please do--your analysis is really thin and your top two suspicions (M&M) are poorly evidenced.

[MrBuddyLee]

@PJ:

Sorry, but no. I don't want to exchange walls of text.

walls of texts are just a pain in the arse to read.

Basically, it reads to me as a more subtle attempt to keep the focus where you like while you silently keep your vote on OhGodMyLife. And in my opinion, subtle play has a great tendency to point to scum play.

As PJ said eaarlier, he is trying to keep people uneasy about Meransiel without actually sticking his own neck out.

Your giant post essentially attacked people for "protecting" mozamis and Meransiel. Despite your assertion that this does mean M&M are scum, your post nevertheless points out how they protect each other, and you

constantly

insinuate they are scummy.

So, what is the point of saying that? Do you think he is saying Merensial is scum, mozamis?

I think PJ answered this better than I probably will. But Buddy is definitely trying to get us to be suspicious of Meransial, without saying so explicitly.

Aww, how cute, you have a disciple.

[Amrun]

I meant in a very concise format instead of a wall. Walls have their place, but they also promote obfuscation. I want a one or two word read on him from you, MBL.

I have confessed several times to being unfortunately distracted in this game because of real life. I do intend to re-read everything and do that full run down within the next day or two as things are finally calming down a bit for me.

[MrBuddyLee]

I want a one or two word read on him from you, MBL.

Bacon cheeseburger.

[Amrun]

Equivocating obfuscator.

[MrBuddyLee]

Lazy birthday girl.

[mozamis]

Lol! It's true I'm seeing PJ as kinda an IC
Obviously, if he turns out to be scum, I'll look like A COMPLETE ARSE lol
And don't get jealous, Buddy -if you weren't scum I'd be asking your advice too

[mozamis]

you too gonna stop flirting any time soon?