Open 293 - Donner Party Mafia, Take Two (Game Over)

[singersigner]

EBWOP: not accuse...that was an awkward word for it. Basically it's the point of pressuring. Derp.

[Romanus]

Mod: can we get a prod or something on Mockingjaye?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Magna I'm thinking you have to be scum this game, because you're normally not this stupid.

Beginning your post with a false dilemma that I am either scum or stupid. Nice touch to deftly lob an insult while casually dismissing that you are scum.

If you've actually read me you'd understand that I've said multiple times that I think DH and twisted are prob-scum. Both are on the Lane wagon.

I read your ISO. It’s short and completely lacks scum-hunting. And let’s review what you said about each person.

I feel like this is a better wagon. DH's case is basically "uhh what Magna said" and it seems to me like he's just picking on easy targets.

Here you say DH is scum for jumping on the wagon.

No, not sarcasm. I think DH is likely scum. Same with twistedspoon.

I'm kind of flopping on DH and twisted but twisted has been worse recently so:

Here you contradict yourself in regards to DH in two sentances. First he is likely scum but then you turn around and say you are ‘flopping’ on DH? What? Makes no sense if you had a real read on him as scum to say you are flopping on him. Instead you change your vote from a no-go wagon DH to Twisted who is catching hell in thread. And again – no reasons that are concrete – you simply say he is ‘worse recently’.

Yup, that’s the full extent of your reasoning on either player. In other word – nothing. So yeah, you've called them scum. And that's it. So I'm not about to accept that as the reason you ignored my specific request.

1. Do you think they are scum together or are they Goon / SK split?
2. You say that the Lane wagon is scum driven – how exactly are they driving the wagon? Your only attack on DH is that he hopped on with no reasons. The only people who have significantly driven suspicion at Lane are myself and Andrew (who hopped of long ago).

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@Romanus

– You’ve voted for Lane. Who else is scum? Please provide your top 2 other suspects and a short reason why.

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magua conviently jumping off the lane wagon and not onto twistedspooin's either.

cough*

The irony it is burning my eyes.

1. Where have I expressed any suspicion that Twisted is scum? I don’t vote for people because it is popular.
2. I find it funny because you hopped of the Lane wagon and landed on DRK where you have been parked. So it’s suspicious to unvote Lane and not vote Twisted, is it?

[Magua]

Mockingjaye has requested replacement.

[Romanus]

The only reasons right now, that I can give is gut. I don't have anything specific on anyone outside of Lane. But that being said, I am getting that gut feeling from singer and tcl. I've been flip-flopping in my mind on Twisted.

[Magua]

Chesskid3 replaces mockingjaye.

[Romanus]

Welcome Chesskid3, thanks for the replace.

[chesskid3]

NP.

Will read this tonight - got a lot of writing stuffs to do today

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.7

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Twistedspoon (5): Friend, pappums rat, DeathRowKitty, lane0168, singersigner

lane0168 (3): DemonHybrid, Twistedspoon, Romanus
DeathRowKitty (1): andrew94
pappums rat (1): tclawren
Friend (1): MagnaofIllusion

Not voting (1): chesskid3

Deadline is March 30th, 2011, at 7:24pm EST (site time). A countdown to the deadline is here.

[singersigner]

V/LA Thursday through Monday

[Friend]

Here you contradict yourself in regards to DH in two sentances. First he is likely scum but then you turn around and say you are ‘flopping’ on DH? What? Makes no sense if you had a real read on him as scum to say you are flopping on him. Instead you change your vote from a no-go wagon DH to Twisted who is catching hell in thread. And again – no reasons that are concrete – you simply say he is ‘worse recently’.

I meant flopping as in I wasn't sure which one was scummier and which one I wanted to vote for. Yet ANOTHER misrep. You keep doing these, Magna, and I know you're a good player and not an idiot. So, which is it? Are you scum, or have you lost your mind this game?

[Friend]

I mean you're not even addressing or seeming to understand the huge amount that you've been misrepping me. And that is the reason I ignored you - I had said it already.

[andrew94]

@magna, what i was saying is u jumped off a popular wagon to vote another, also you are not voting the other high wagon ( so u want every1 to move>??)

also drk is scummy because he said its obvious whether im scum/town when obviously he failed befofre

[lane0168]

@magna, what i was saying is u jumped off a popular wagon to vote another, also you are not voting the other high wagon ( so u want every1 to move>??)

also drk is scummy because he said its obvious whether im scum/town when obviously he failed befofre

I DO wonder why MOI jumped off my popular wagon when he seemed to be pretty sure of my scumminess.

@MOI, do you have less suspicion of me? and if not... why move your vote to a player who seems to not have a lot of suspicion from others. I'm not saying you have to vote on wagons... I'm just saying that of two people you feel are scum, why not vote on the more popular one? It just seems more productive

[pappums rat]

@ everyone: sorry about this but i have asked magua to replace me out. i dont have enough time to play as many games as i am trying to.

[chesskid3]

>_> I'll do this soon.

[Magua]

Xalxe replaces pappums rat.

[Xalxe]

Hey guys, I'm here.

I will read tonight or tomorrow and post then. Until then, no eating me please, I don't appreciate that!

If there's anything I should pay special attention to, post before my catchup.

[Twistedspoon]

welcome xalxe and chesskid

anyways, lane seems to have been less scummy since her pronoun slips and my vote on her. I don't think she's today's kill
I'm watching friend atm.

also drk is scummy because he said its obvious whether im scum/town when obviously he failed befofre

before?

when was this?
does anyone actually understand this, or is it just me?

[Xalxe]

You guys should feel lucky; I’m reading instead of playing Pokémon White.

Anyways, on with the show!

If you know your vote wasn't useful, why not change it?

It was quite obviously a joke (re: tclawren’s vote for Escho). Why give him shit about it?

Vote DH he is the SK
Any way no more posts from me today, I'm off to mod my newbie and then I'm going out.

1. Serial Killer hunting (even in jest)? Subtle slip …
2. Over-justification for not posting content when you frankly never do anyway?

Early game jitters from a player known for drawing lynches. Which indicates scum.

VOTE: Shotty

This vote is not random.

:goodposting:

---If you want meta on me, check my wiki---
Just throwing that out there after DH’s question at shotty. The Wiki is a useful thing, people!

And that's 10

Vote: other mermaid (singer)

I have a good feeling about this vote.

Oh.
My.
God.
You.
Suck.

VOTE: Mikedmous for keeping his damned secrets. Only the scum and SK have something to hide. O_o
UNVOTE:
VOTE: MoI for trying to limit our fun in RVS.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: tclawren for being obvscum.

Preview Edit:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DemonHybrid for trying too hard.

What is this I don’t even. Are any of these votes serious? WTF?

remember i'm new. i am entitled

No. Just so you know.

tcl is town. Don't worry about him. Pretty sure lane is too. Friend is more likely scum.

Defense?

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

This game has shotty, Andrew, and lane (whom I am quickly growing less fond of)?
Shoot me now.

AtE is the wrong term, but andrew actually brings up a valid point. That bolded bit is slightly scummy - it's kind of like whining when the doc dies, an easy way to appear town without doing anything at all.

:goodposting:
I thought the same thing.

MoI #59 will not be quoted due to length, but it is SO PROTOWN. I like you MoI. No wonder you keep dying N0.

*thanks drk. i feel you're a real asset to the team, and life would be a bit darker without you* (positivity inserted(thats not what she said))

yeah, that's blatant buddying if i ever saw it

It's seriously not doing you any favours

So true.

OSHIT WE HAVE A SHORT DEADLINE
Just want y’all to keep that in mind. < 1 week in fact.

DRK has twice played the “guide the newb” card on tclawren. Minor personal tell that I don’t like.

Click on their name, then click view topics.

Let's ignore ongoing games and just look at completed games. Don't try to draw meta from games you don't know his alignment in (and we can't dicuss ongoing games anyway). Just read random games from him. His town games and his scum games are VERY different.

How so?

NOOOO WHY IS THE LANE WAGON DYING
Though a nice Andrew wagon. Interesting.

Well, yeah, I stopped taking notes at the end there. Time for a list!

Town: Xalxe, MagnaofIllusion
Scummy Scum Scum: lane#####, Friend, DRK

UNVOTE:
VOTE: lane016...something

[Twistedspoon]

Town: Xalxe, MagnaofIllusion
Scummy Scum Scum: lane#####, Friend, DRK

you included yourself as town

that takes some nerve to say the least

[Xalxe]

Town: Xalxe, MagnaofIllusion
Scummy Scum Scum: lane#####, Friend, DRK

you included yourself as town

that takes some nerve to say the least

Why on earth wouldn't I? I know I'm town, it says so in my Role PM. Others can disagree, and that's fine.

[Twistedspoon]

nvm

i pretty much agree with the rest

thanks for pointing out the deadline though.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Welcome replacements!

Preview edit - Damn Ninjas - I'll look that over in a bit ...

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I've been flip-flopping in my mind on Twisted.

Please explain the case you see it on Twisted (since to be flip flopping you have to have some notion he is scum) and what gives you the pause that creates the flip-flop.

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I meant flopping as in I wasn't sure which one was scummier and which one I wanted to vote for. Yet ANOTHER misrep.

You keep doing these, Magna, and I know you're a good player and not an idiot. So, which is it? Are you scum, or have you lost your mind this game?

In re-reading I can see that statement to be interpreted as you state here. So that portion of my suspicion is withdrawn as incorrect.

What other Misrep have I made? Calling you a hypocrite for asking Twisted to provide reads when you ignored my question (regardless of whether you felt you had already answered it) isn’t a mis-rep.

Additionally you’ve let other questions go by unanswered. I’m going to compile them in one place so you have little excuse to not respond.

1. Do you think DH and Twisted are scum together or is one the SK and the other a Goon?
2. You say that the Lane wagon is scum driven – how exactly are they driving the wagon? Your only attack on DH is that he hopped on with no reasons. The only people who have significantly driven suspicion at Lane are myself and Andrew (who hopped of long ago).
3. You’ve spent your ISO more or less pronouncing people not scum but provided little in the way of reasons for your suspicions –

You say DH was scum solely for jumping on the Lane wagon.
You say Twisted was scum since his play was ‘worse than DH’s’ lately. That’s it.
You have an undefined gut scum read on DRK.

That’s the extent of your suspicions based on play.

Please elaborate in detail on the cases, as you see them, on Twisted and DH.

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@magna, what i was saying is u jumped off a popular wagon to vote another, also you are not voting the other high wagon ( so u want every1 to move>??)

I understand what you are saying. That you brought it up when you did the exact same thing I find strange.

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anyways, lane seems to have been less scummy since her pronoun slips and my vote on her. I don't think she's today's kill.
I'm watching friend atm.

1. Why is your vote still on Lane then?
2. Why are you watching Friend? Do you think he is scum? If so why aren’t you voting for him?

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I DO wonder why MOI jumped off my popular wagon when he seemed to be pretty sure of my scumminess.

@MOI, do you have less suspicion of me? and if not... why move your vote to a player who seems to not have a lot of suspicion from others. I'm not saying you have to vote on wagons... I'm just saying that of two people you feel are scum, why not vote on the more popular one? It just seems more productive

Note the coy way that he infers it is suspicious for me to move (I DO wonder, I’m just saying that …) but avoids directly stating it.

I don’t have less suspicion of you. I think you are scum based on your play. Your wagon has stalled and of the players not voting for you (or at least those actively playing) have stated they don’t think you are scum.

I don’t like to keep my vote somewhere that is not effective. I think my stance on you is well documented. I moved my vote to another top suspect to show my suspicions are valid. If the wagon on you shows signs of life again I will happily move my vote back.

[Twistedspoon]

sry, forgot to unvote; thanks for reminding me.
my post makes no sense without them

UNVOTE: lane

VOTE: andrew

see 243 among others

I've an eye on friend though