Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

[GreyICE]

UncertainKitten has been killed. She was Jet Black,

Ex-Lover

Bodyguard [Protector]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's a weak cop. If he hides behind someone and doesn't die, that person is town.

[Rhinox]

I understood the mechanic, I thought I had a power and no reward.

ok. I mean, this is pretty much all I needed to hear. I'm failrly certain you're lying scum and UK's role information is unreliable. I'll confirm how I know in a big reveal later. Unless there is a certain assumption I've got wrong, but we can confirm that after my big reveal fairly easily.

In the mean time, tell me a little more about this claimed hider reward - it specifically says if you hide behind scum, you die?

[Kdub]

UNVOTE:

No reason to rush this. I'm interested to hear what Rhinox has to say. It's at least clear that whatever he thinks he has on GreyICE, nobody else seems to be picking up on it.

[GreyICE]

Uh okay rhino. Go for it.

[GreyICE]

I understood the mechanic, I thought I had a power and no reward.

ok. I mean, this is pretty much all I needed to hear. I'm failrly certain you're lying scum and UK's role information is unreliable. I'll confirm how I know in a big reveal later. Unless there is a certain assumption I've got wrong, but we can confirm that after my big reveal fairly easily.

In the mean time, tell me a little more about this claimed hider reward - it specifically says if you hide behind scum, you die?

It's a hider mechanic.

If I hide behind Red Dragon clan, they kill me.

Do I have to get a wiki out for you?

[Rhinox]

So, you're saying you could theoretically hide behind a second scum group or sk and not die anyone ever hear of a faction-specific hider before, or would that then prove the existence of only 1 scum faction? Eh, ignore this for now the stuff below is much more important because this claimed ability does not exist anyways.

Everyone do me a favor and go take a look at the PM you received from Fate on March 7th at 8:27 PM (EST). It was the message where fate announced that all role PM's were sent out and we were supposed to confirm to him via PM by giving him a piece of information. That piece of information being

Role Name and [Bounty Reward]

.

So I have already had greyICE confirm that he has understood the bounty mechanic all along and that he claims that until last night, he did not believe he had a bounty reward but an already active from the start ability.

The PM sent by fate says the game would not start until all players confirmed, and since the game started then it logically follows that greyICE did indeed confirm.

Therefore, there is no way that greyICE would think he did not have a bounty reward, because it would have been information he would have to confirm before the game were allowed to start.

QED?

(initially, I thought the confirmation instructions were in the separate role PM's and if greyICE was given different confirmation instructions than someone I know to be town (me), then he must be scum. Now, it changes somewhat in that since we all received the same instructions, the fact that greyICE is claiming to not know he had a bounty reward is a blatant, obvious, confirmable lie and I would think scum would be more careful than that. But then again, I seem to be the only one that remembers the confirmation instructions, so maybe not.)

Anyways, there it is. greyICE, now that we all know you're lying and why, go ahead and try to explain.

[Vi]

As for GreyICE's counterclaim, I don't see a reason to believe that bounty rewards are necessarily unique. After all, I'm another "one who got away" (in fact, that should be

my

flavor).

Rhinox's reveal is off the mark on the "factional hider" issue; I can confirm that Hiding behind an RDC kills. The rest is actually an impressive catch, and what makes it more than an embarrassing mistake is that we're now one confirmed alignment short of what was promised. Claiming the bounty character essentially means he's not falseclaiming, although if this game is flavor-breaking-proof like advertised I don't know how much weight that holds. UK claiming information on him is vague and etc.

But tbh, it doesn't matter to me whether GreyICE is telling the truth or not right now, because we have a more obvious scum lying around.

Vote: Jahudo

(L-5)

I mean, what, did everyone forget?

[GreyICE]

So, you're saying you could theoretically hide behind a second scum group or sk and not die anyone ever hear of a faction-specific hider before, or would that then prove the existence of only 1 scum faction? Eh, ignore this for now the stuff below is much more important because this claimed ability does not exist anyways.

Everyone do me a favor and go take a look at the PM you received from Fate on March 7th at 8:27 PM (EST). It was the message where fate announced that all role PM's were sent out and we were supposed to confirm to him via PM by giving him a piece of information. That piece of information being

Role Name and [Bounty Reward]

.

So I have already had greyICE confirm that he has understood the bounty mechanic all along and that he claims that until last night, he did not believe he had a bounty reward but an already active from the start ability.

The PM sent by fate says the game would not start until all players confirmed, and since the game started then it logically follows that greyICE did indeed confirm.

Therefore, there is no way that greyICE would think he did not have a bounty reward, because it would have been information he would have to confirm before the game were allowed to start.

QED?

(initially, I thought the confirmation instructions were in the separate role PM's and if greyICE was given different confirmation instructions than someone I know to be town (me), then he must be scum. Now, it changes somewhat in that since we all received the same instructions, the fact that greyICE is claiming to not know he had a bounty reward is a blatant, obvious, confirmable lie and I would think scum would be more careful than that. But then again, I seem to be the only one that remembers the confirmation instructions, so maybe not.)

Anyways, there it is. greyICE, now that we all know you're lying and why, go ahead and try to explain.

Sorry, no catch. I PMed Fate "Confirm - one shot hider" before I even opened the other mail. That's what my role said.

I automatically PM all mods my role and confirmation pretty much exactly that way.

Except when I make up silly stuff if I'm a VT. Like "Confirm - Superman. Can Post AND vote!"

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote: Jahudo

[Jahudo]

Oh yeah Fate did ask for that pretty specifically. Though if Grey did reply with that response I wonder if there would have been a problem. Would Fate have made Grey give him the full information or not.

Vi, what are the odds of two hiders? Now that 1-shot cop is revealed fake I think its been raised from nigh-impossible to nigh-improbable. I have enough doubt that I don't want to vote for you unless I also had a feeling your posts were scummy now. And I don't know what to think about flavor being important anymore. UK said it was and she was town and perhaps I should listen to her.

I'm still suspicious of UT. Anybody with me? Antitown?

Vote: Untrod Tripod

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm more suspicious of the MILLER claim, now that there is no confirmable cop.

[Vi]

Vi, what are the odds of two hiders? Now that 1-shot cop is revealed fake I think its been raised from nigh-impossible to nigh-improbable.

It's not bad when you have two characters in one niche and/or are strapped for creativity.

And I don't know what to think about flavor being important anymore. UK said it was and she was town and perhaps I should listen to her.

I'm going on what Fate said. You are listed as one of the people who got that message.

The gesture of goodwill is nice and everything, but your Miller claim was still bad so etc.

[ToastyToast]

I was expecting more from Rhinox's argument. Ignorance does not make GreyICE obvscum--obvdumb, maybe (omg i've wanted to say that forever i'm so creative)!

Before I place my vote down, Why would scum claim miller? The fact that multiple people have said as such makes me feel as if its...too obvious for both to be scum. Do you think in some situation either Jahudo or Vi IS a miller, and the other is scum? Thats what I am thinking right now, but its more of a question of which one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was expecting more from Rhinox's argument. Ignorance does not make GreyICE obvscum--obvdumb, maybe (omg i've wanted to say that forever i'm so creative)!

Before I place my vote down, Why would scum claim miller? The fact that multiple people have said as such makes me feel as if its...too obvious for both to be scum. Do you think in some situation either Jahudo or Vi IS a miller, and the other is scum? Thats what I am thinking right now, but its more of a question of which one.

My vote is on the correct one.

[ToastyToast]

Just did a quick ISO of Vi.
I don't like her defense of me throughout the game, then sudden switch onto me after GreyICE lynch began to rot.
No reason for such a miller claim that early in the game.

If, however, she IS Julia, then we can assume that Vi is a Miller, leaving Jahudo in the open

Vote: VI

I am in favor of learning who GreyICE hid behind. It will clear someone as town, so we should use the move to our advantage, ESPECIALLLY if he hid behind someone we have been suspecting.

[Nachomamma8]

Rhinox, I confirmed with my role name and my role, so that theory's debunked.

[Antitown]

Argh, I never check this account, so I keep neglecting this game. Kat, if you're not going to post, can I just post from my main?

Now, to wade through the labyrinth of claims.

Ouch. Was I wrong about Jahudo?

Oh yeah Fate did ask for that pretty specifically. Though if Grey did reply with that response I wonder if there would have been a problem. Would Fate have made Grey give him the full information or not.

Vi, what are the odds of two hiders? Now that 1-shot cop is revealed fake I think its been raised from nigh-impossible to nigh-improbable. I have enough doubt that I don't want to vote for you unless I also had a feeling your posts were scummy now. And I don't know what to think about flavor being important anymore. UK said it was and she was town and perhaps I should listen to her.

I'm still suspicious of UT. Anybody with me? Antitown?

Vote: Untrod Tripod

lolwat?
UT has graduated from scummy active lurker to full blown flaker. That bridge has been burned.

you lied about cop, and now you claim HIDER? WTF THATS LIKE THE SCUMMIEST--ugh, not to mention one-shot hider, which makes no sense at all.
seriously, there are only two options:
1)You're purposely playing stupid so we can get bounty rewards
2)Scum
this means: quite a safe lynch. And we lynched a 3rd partyD1--nothing wrong with that.

I wish we could ask kitten if her role info changes with his new claim :/
@Kdub: her death could be strategic on scum's part. We can't ask her if her opinion on GreyICE has changed.

Question for GreyICE: UK said her role-info suggested you were town. Did you have role info that suggested she was town?

I'm also willing to vote Vi/Jahudo, but still, GreyICE...#@!*#*(*$&(*#*$#

First off, LAL = failed philosophy. Grey's fakeclaim was actually more protown than a real one would've been (it got the "millers" to crawl out of the woodwork).
Also, the "safe lynch" thing = complete bullshit. You're acting like lynching a random 3rd party role gives us some kind of breathing room for free lynches, when it obviously doesn't.

I hate the fact that Jahudo opted to vote the lurker over the person who CCed his role, but since both the main part and bounty reward of Vi's claim have been CCed, I feel better with a Vi vote.

VOTE: Vi

[GreyICE]

Just did a quick ISO of Vi.
I don't like her defense of me throughout the game, then sudden switch onto me after GreyICE lynch began to rot.
No reason for such a miller claim that early in the game.

If, however, she IS Julia, then we can assume that Vi is a Miller, leaving Jahudo in the open

Vote: VI

I am in favor of learning who GreyICE hid behind. It will clear someone as town, so we should use the move to our advantage, ESPECIALLLY if he hid behind someone we have been suspecting.

Well I was going to hide behind you.

But then Fate told me it was a bounty power.

Actually he was a bit more sardonic than that, but I suppose I deserved it.

[Antitown]

Half baked theory:

Jahudo getting GF powers as a bounty reward actually makes a lot of sense. That still doesn't account for the fact that Grey CCed Vi's bounty reward...

[Rhinox]

Sorry, no catch. I PMed Fate "Confirm - one shot hider" before I even opened the other mail. That's what my role said.

I automatically PM all mods my role and confirmation pretty much exactly that way.

Except when I make up silly stuff if I'm a VT. Like "Confirm - Superman. Can Post AND vote!"

How did you know you were supposed to send a confirmation PM at all then?

When you read the second PM with the confirmation instructions, wouldn't you have thought maybe you should resend a confirmation PM something like "oh sry I meant /confirm here's my role name and I have no bounty reward" in order to do it right?

So does your role PM say what your non-bounty reward role is then without the bounty ability?

[Jahudo]

That still doesn't account for the fact that Grey CCed Vi's bounty reward...

Good point.

[Kdub]

Eh, Rhinox doesn't have a bad point, but Grey is already confirmed town via UK, so I can see him misreading his role. It's not out of the realm of reasonable possibilities, so I'll trust UK's assertion that Grey is 100% town over that.

Anything else that needs to be discussed today? If not, I'll put my vote back on Vi.

[GreyICE]

Sorry, no catch. I PMed Fate "Confirm - one shot hider" before I even opened the other mail. That's what my role said.

I automatically PM all mods my role and confirmation pretty much exactly that way.

Except when I make up silly stuff if I'm a VT. Like "Confirm - Superman. Can Post AND vote!"

How did you know you were supposed to send a confirmation PM at all then?

When you read the second PM with the confirmation instructions, wouldn't you have thought maybe you should resend a confirmation PM something like "oh sry I meant /confirm here's my role name and I have no bounty reward" in order to do it right?

So does your role PM say what your non-bounty reward role is then without the bounty ability?

1) 'cause I've played mafia before.
2) No, 'cause I'd confirmed and deleted it.
3) No, I have no role outside of my bounty power apparently. Would have been a bit clearer if I had (or it was formatted "Vanilla Town [One-shot Hider]")

[Rhinox]

3) No, I have no role outside of my bounty power apparently. Would have been a bit clearer if I had (or it was formatted "Vanilla Town [One-shot Hider]")

This is not consistent with the information provided to me in my role PM.