First off, you people need to post more! I go to the effort to set a nice trap and hardly anybody posts anything AT ALL for several days! [/rant]
Now, to cover a number of points:
Vesuvan wrote:@Fritz: We now have supporting evidence on Illumina's claim (unless we have another non-vig killer/group who hasn't killed anyone until last night). LyingBrian's about 3rd on my list at the moment.
Actually, we don't. What we do have is evidence pointing toward a second mafia group (THREE kills night 1). However, Illumina didn't mess up on this one unless Flying Dutchman is in kahootz with him. I am now fairly convinced that Illumina = town unless FD = scum.
To clarify, that line of attacking BabyJ based on Illumina being confirmed via vig existence was a trap to try to find members of a second scum group if one does exist.
Fritzler wrote:Vesuvan wrote:@Fritz: We now have supporting evidence on Illumina's claim (unless we have another non-vig killer/group who hasn't killed anyone until last night). LyingBrian's about 3rd on my list at the moment.
Whose 2? (I'm assuming BJ is 1)
Nope, BJ is (or rather was as of the start of the day) 4th. 1 was Zu_Faul, 2 was JSexton, 5 was TSAGod if you're interested in what I'm thinking. He was, however, online regularly and someone on whom I had enough suspicion to push, including a point of attack which would help determine who (else) is scum.
Now it's 1: StevieT92, 2: JSexton, 3: BabyJ, 4: LyingBrian, 5: TSAGod (and I think all are at least 50% likely to be scum)
BabyJesus wrote:BabyJesus wrote:PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Whatever. We need to get through day1 somehow and if you guys would rather play bandwagon to claim instead of looking at suspicious people, feel free to just pile on and string me up.
I'm not going to play the stupid random bandwagon-claim game with you guys because it's pretty stupid and a waste of my time, I came here to actually vote according to my suspicions and what other people do, not "hey why not?" let's wagon him!
You guys can go ahead and lynch me.
You won't get a claim out of me with a random bandwagon.
I'd give you guys some extra advice on what to do after I get lynched, but frankly a town that's wants to play randomwagon won't really need it so I'm not going to waste my time to type up any for you.
Good luck.
awesome.
Refusing to claim makes me pretty sure you're not the doc or the cop
, and with you now having a greater likelihood then anyone of being scum, I'm happy lynching you.
bump for dumbass Vesuvan
Bolded section makes me more suspicious given that BabyJ has been lying, and is now bringing lies up as evidence in his favor. We have seen him lie when town before, so that's not proof that he is scum, but it is darned suspicious.
BabyJesus wrote:Fritzler wrote:
no he's saying he shouldn't have given up on Pooky like he did, and switched to me.
Since the doc was dead N1, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
Actually, quite the opposite, unless you're trying to convince me that you're enough of a newbie to not know what a "breadcrumb" is?
Anyway, to close off on BabyJ, I'm not
totally
convinced that he's scum (he didn't trip up
too
badly in his defense), but I'm certainly not considering him "confirmed" by any means.
Unvote
(but I've got my eye on you)
StevieT92 wrote:Hmmm... Vote Vesuvan You seem to be trying to hard. Also, if Illumina is scum, then Babyjesus is probably scum too (opposing scum trackers), since they both are confirmed to be tracking people. Seems worthy for a cop investigation maybe, but I don't feel that it is a good lynch.
Stevie just fell into the trap big-time; and he just got greedy by trying to convince us to kill both BabyJ and Illumina (what's the bet that if one turned up dead and townie that he'd be calling for a lynch of the other? And the same if one turned up dead scum?)
Not to mention that he just voted for a confirmed Mason. :rolleyes:
...The mason who pointed out that the mason role PM does not verify that other members of the mason group are pro-town, when there was no requirement to do so.
Yeah, that gets a
Vote: StevieT92
JSexton wrote:Vesuvan: Are you really trying to say that investigation roles should out themselves day 1 if they find probable scum? Especially when a doc is dead? I mean, he crumbed the hell out of Pooky, and bought himself another night to track without worrying too much about getting nightkilled. And, worst case, if he is? We can see who he pushed for D1 and lynch accordingly.
I really don't see what's so scummy about BJ's actions. Hell, if he'd come out D1 with that accusation, I think I'd more suspicious than I am right now.
JSexton has seen this
exact
strategy work on several games on Misetings. What's more is that he has misrepresented my argument by claiming that I'm suggesting BabyJ claim instead of hold to his target (which would be considered a breadcrumb were he to turn up as a dead investigator), as Fritzler has pointed out.
Having played as scum with JSexton before, I know he is well aware of this strategy. He's also well aware - having seen me do it - that an investigator who jumps around will not be leaving discernable breadcrumbs after his death.
FOS: JSexton
(this would be a vote if I weren't voting for Stevie - also to note: if JSexton is scum, I suspect he's in a scum group with BabyJ)
zu_Faul wrote:
Opposing scum groups + vig + sk = not enough kills, guy.
What if there is no SK? Or no Vig killed? Another doc protected? Roleblocker? I think opposing scum groups could be possible.
FOS:BJ
This series of comments makes BabyJ more likely to be scum of the group who failed to make a kill on night 2. It also means that Zu_Faul is almost certainly not scum wtih BabyJ. In fact, I'm becoming more convinced Zu_Faul is not scum.
. I never said we should go after one of the two. I said it was something to keep in mind, especially for a cop, maybe a vig.
- wrong person. That's what I get for thinking and posting at the same time. d8P's absolutely correct.