Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

[Fate]

Burusu

Vote Count

Cogito Ergo Sum (0):
Vi (2): Jahudo, Seraphim
Rhinox (0):
UncertainKitten (0):
Jahudo (2): Nachomamma, CogitoES
Lady Lambdadelta (0):
GreyICE (1): ToastyToast
ToastyToast (2): Untrod Tripod, GreyICE
Antitown (0):
Kdub (0):
Untrod Tripod (1): Antitown
Seraphim (3): Kdub, Ladyλδ, UncertainKitten (L-4)
Nachomamma (0):

Not voting: Rhinox
Trying to go against the flow of all things:


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: Thursday March 24th

[Kdub]

Looks like lots of stuff happened today. I'll read it all again more carefully tomorrow, but for now, I have a comment on this:

I have a one-shot vengeful kill that can be used if I'm NK'd or lynched. If anyone decides to prematurely lynch me, they are biting the bullet. That is a promise, not a threat. Scum who want to kill me also get the off-chance of a bullet through their brain.

Do you win if you use your vengeful kill on Vicious? Just a yes or no will be fine.

[ToastyToast]

Well, whichever. I'm going to sleep. If I can catch up in the morning, yay. If not, Sunday afternoon.
Toasty: Don't worry about going back on your word. Vote who you think is scum.

The only other people I'd vote for right not are UT and Seraphim. Both of which I'm sure GreyICE will attack me for doing. But I'll

Unvote:GreyICE

and think it over again.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Mod: Does scum have daytalk?

This is a closed set-up, I won't be answering questions not answered in the Rules.

[Jahudo]

I am Julia, Former Red Dragon Clan.
I do have a bounty reward. Per Bounty, I can Hide.
No mention of Vicious, but there is a mention of Spike (flavor).
As a Former Red Dragon Clan I am assumed to still be part of the RDC and thus investigate as Mafia.

I claim Gren. I am a miller with a bounty reward of not being a miller.
No mention of Red Dragons, but there is a mention of Vicious from the flavor talking about the Titan War.

I've been debating on whether it is okay for two identical power roles to have a different amount of useful information. Your role explicitly says Red Dragon is mafia, whereas for mine to be about the red dragons I'd have to assume ... that Gren was being accused of being a spy for the red dragons during the titan war even though Vicious was the one who testified against him so who is associating Gren and Vicious for that, and why do they think Gren is working for the red dragons in the first place? Should i just assume all that then? If all you knew about the character was "framed by Vicious" is that a strong enough piece of role information to know that Vicious is mafia, and therefore the mafia is Red Dragon? I just don't know.

I've also been wondering about how many mini's have used multiple millers. I can't think of any, and it would make Grey's role even more useless if my role did show up as red dragon. I could also see Fate wanting to nerf a cop though.

[UncertainKitten]

Jahudo: Insane Asylum and Insane Asylum II. Granted, the general idea behind those was ~*~playing with millers~*~

That said, god dammit we have too many claims. I'm really at the point where I want to disregard most of the claims and just plain scumhunt irrespective of role information. Well, except for my own. I would assume Fate wouldn't outright lie to me in a PM.

[Rhinox]

Limited Access for the weekend.

Any posting between now and sunday evening will be short and sweet from my cell phone.

[Nachomamma8]

Gren being miller makes no sense, considering the theme. No sense whatsoever.
Julia being a miller that can hide if bountied... Also makes no sense whatsoever.

I doubt either claimants are Vicious, though.
And I wonder why the two would make things so obvious...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So it's time I point out that all this flavor speculation is bad, and that we should be lynching Seraphim simply based upon his play.

[GreyICE]

And we're done.

Vi is confirmed scum.

Jahudo may be miller. Most likely scum. We can find out first thing tomorrow.

Seraphim is most likely Vicious-Lyncher. He does NOT have the 1-shot vengeful kill, that's a load of bollocks if I ever fucking heard one, but he's a third party, so lets not fucking lynch the third party without a killing role when we have confirmed scum in our targeting scope.

Toasty is most likely scum.

Unvote

Vote: Vi

Everyone on the same page?

[UncertainKitten]

Uh...what, GI? How would Vi and Jahudo be scum together? You're proposing that Jahudo scum would come out of the wood work...and derail a Seraphim lynch, who you are calling not mafia...and...huh? How does this follow at...what?

[GreyICE]

Um, UK, Vi is going down.

Why wouldn't Jahudo counterclaim for the "confirmed-town" status? Dun worry, I'm not caring about someone Vicious framed either. Remember that.

It doesn't matter at all. If someone is counterclaimed outside of LyLo, 80% of the time the scum is the one claiming.

Do you really think Jahudo-scum would counterclaim Vi-town before Nacho even made his case?

Jahudo-scum might counterclaim Vi-scum before Nacho made his case.

[UncertainKitten]

But...

Ugh, you're not making sense.

All right, here's what I see your logic as:
1) Vi is fakeclaiming scum
2) Jahudo could fakeclaiming scum
3) Seraphim is a third party lyncher

Facts:
1) Seraphim is the largest wagon and stands a high chance of being lynched
2) Vi's claim helped push Seraphim to this status
3) Jahudo's claim naturally implicates Vi barring miller madness

Holes in your logic:
1) If Seraphim is not mafia, and was about to be lynched, why would scum Jahudo counterclaim scum Vi?
2) If Vi is mafia, pushing the lynch on a more or less innocent Seraphim, why would Jahudo redirect the wagon to someone who is scum?

Tell me where I'm misinterpreting?

[Jahudo]

Grey isn't making sense to me either. I don't know where to begin.

[GreyICE]

I have run out of pro-town reasons
To wait until someone with an investigate claims
To claim miller

[UncertainKitten]

@GI: You have completely failed to answer my question. Why?

[Jahudo]

My reward was to not be a miller, so I hoped to get it honestly. And it doesn't matter when you claim miller, whether your first post of day one or anytime after that: people still see that as the most obv thing scum could claim. That's why town gets that role I guess. But two townies? I'd like to see that balance out with a 1-shot cop.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My reward was to not be a miller, so I hoped to get it honestly.

And it doesn't matter when you claim miller

, whether your first post of day one or anytime after that: people still see that as the most obv thing scum could claim. That's why town gets that role I guess. But two townies? I'd like to see that balance out with a 1-shot cop.

The bolded is wrong.

[Kdub]

Seraphim is most likely Vicious-Lyncher. He does NOT have the 1-shot vengeful kill, that's a load of bollocks if I ever fucking heard one, but he's a third party, so lets not fucking lynch the third party without a killing role when we have confirmed scum in our targeting scope.

I was hoping he would answer my question before anyone else brought it up...

The problem is, I see the motivation for fakeclaiming a vengeful kill as a lyncher being the same as the motivation for fakeclaiming a vengeful kill as mafia. Namely, self-preservation by trying to threaten negative consequences for people on their wagon.

I'd still like Seraphim to answer my question though, and I will have follow-up comments depending on his answer.

[Seraphim]

I win if Vicious dies either by my hand or before I die. So yes, if I use my vengeful kill on him, I win.

[Jahudo]

That changes things. It doesn't matter if we keep Seraphim off a Vicious wagon apparently.

If Seraphim gets back to L-1, I'll hammer him or Vi can if she wants to. That way the lyncher is no longer a distraction and we flip a claimed miller as early as possible.

[Seraphim]

I am more than willing to help the town as it aligns with my win condition. I don't need to be a distraction if you don't want me to be. I have no problem scumhunting, in fact scumhunting is definitely something that aids me because the person I am hunting is most likely scum. I can't be of any help dead.

[Kdub]

Seraphim, do you still think Vi is Vicious? Because the way I'm seeing it, if you are telling the truth, we lynch you and have you shoot at Vi, and we take out two suspects in one day. I think that works out best for you and for the town.

[Seraphim]

I have no idea whether or not Vi is Vicious. That's the problem. I do believe Vi is scum which gives me an approximate 1/3rd chance of Vi being Vicious.

Look: scum have NO REASON to want me alive. Scum have no reason to want me to win with them because my win condition involves me killing off one of their members. We can get along, there is no reason to lynch me.

We can get along! We can co-exist! Our win conditions are not mutually exclusive.

[Kdub]

But see, you are in no position to bargain with us. If the town thinks somebody is scum, then the smart play is to lynch you because there is a chance that you are lying scum yourself. If you are telling the truth, then you have no choice but to shoot at the scummy player and hope to hit Vicious. If you are lying, then we will have lynched scum (you).