Mini 269 - Game Over

[SpeedyKQ]

Wow, all I said was we shouldn't consider Graken confirmed. And we shouldn't. I make no apologies for that, but don't think we should lynch him just yet either.

I've said this before, but I claimed because my role probably doesn't help the town, and I want to minimize the damage. I think I had a very good reason for claiming.

Having somebody else come up with the rolename to assign to myself makes the most sense to me. I'll still be just as checkable by a cop, but not mess with any other investigation capability.

And if there is another cop, I sure do think they should check Graken, for no other reason besides two cops in a 12 person game is pretty unusual.

[BabyJesus]

Game started in day, 12 alive, seven to lynch, right?

Falcone, Dodgy, Poirot, Graken, Adele, BabyJesus. Who've I missed?

he's dead, Jim.

[Adele]

That doesn't answer my question and is just annoying.

[BabyJesus]

That doesn't answer my question and is just annoying.

it only gets worse.

[BabyJesus]

Are you really a girl?

[Adele]

To the very best of my knowledge.

[BabyJesus]

Interesting. Is this something often questioned? It seems odd to have to remind yourself of it in your sig....

[Green Crayons]

If it's seven to lynch and only six have voted... he would still be alive.

I'm finding Speedy actually to be more suspicious for reasons already mentioned, but I'll go ahead and restate the ones that I find to be telling.

1. At first, I made the assumption that Speedy was making a genuine mistake akin to Graken's in just revealing his role due to inexperience. However, I now see his join date is Sept. 2004. He isn't new, he has played mafia before, and he knows what he's doing. So his claim doesn't make since - he backs it by saying he doesn't want any pro-town roles to be confused, but if one thinks that they have a role that could hurt the town, and they themselves are protown, why use the role? Experienced players who are vigs usually don't use their kill ability unless if they're desperate, almost completely sure, or have a town vote to approve of their actions. The fact of the matter is, they don't just go off randomly using it just for the sake of using their role because it has the potential to be detrimental to the town - if you're protown and you don't think your role will help the town, whatever that role ability may be, just don't use your role. No need to make yourself known to scum. It just all seems very strange and illogical to for an experienced player claim so early without pressure to do so.

2. I don't like how little he has actually explained about his role. He writes a role for someone else, but he doesn't know much else about it - it just sounds obscenely vague. Does this new role description actually apply to that person? Does it stay with that person for just that night or for the rest of the game? He doesn't know anything about it other than he "write

a role for somebody each night" (his words). While this isn't a major point of contention, because perhaps the mod just told him something akin to "you make up roles for people," it just doesn't sit right with me.

3. The only time I could see him using his role in a useful fashion would be to mess up a scum investigator, assuming there's actually one in the game. Otherwise, his role is horrible for the town. A lot of speculation is going on in my head with possible role setups with what little we know, and in a lot of them, a tabloid reporter who screws up investigations doesn't fit until a pro-town role.

Reasons four, five and six coincide with Falcone's three.

Unvote: Poirot

. My vote will soon be going to Speedy.
Before I vote, however, I want a final clarification from Graken before he more-than-likely winds up dead tomorrow morning: Did your role explanation tell you if you'd get gulity/innocent results or role names? I don't know if you answered this already, if you did I didn't catch it.

[Adele]

Well, I'm very easily confused...

Nah , it's for people who

aren't

me, because I don't want to set the gender button.

[BabyJesus]

If it's seven to lynch and only six have voted... he would still be alive..

Fine, you're right, and I'm wrong.

[SpeedyKQ]

GC, I

don't have a choice

as to whether I can use my role or not. If I did, I would have kept my mouth shut about it and never used it.

If I knew more about how the mod's setup used my role creations, I would tell you. I am pretty sure that whatever role abilities I write aren't actually given to the person, though.

[Graken]

To answer your question, GC, when I investigate, I am told if a player is town or not town.

[SpeedyKQ]

3. He proposes a plan that would conveniently make himself investigation-immune.

Reasons four, five and six coincide with Falcone's three.

I call crap-logic, this makes no sense. I challenge either of you to explain why my giving myself a rolename of somebody else's choosing would make me investigation-immune.

[Falcone]

And why do people think I should target Graken with my ability tonight? The big downside to that is it prevents a real cop/second cop from checking him. I'm thinking I should target myself, and to keep me honest I suggest somebody else choose the rolename and ability.

You said yourself that targeting Graken with your ability would prevent another cop from checking him, so I assumed targeting yourself with your ability would prevent a cop from checking you. Doesn't that make sense? It seems to me you're contradicting yourself.

[BabyJesus]

why are we arguing with the dead guy?

[SpeedyKQ]

If I put a fake role on Graken, and another cop checks Graken, there is a risk that the cop would see my fake role and Graken would become uncheckable. (If my fake roles mess with investigations, which is only speculation.)

If I put a fake role on myself, and a rolecop checks me, they will either see my real role (Tabloid Reporter) or the made-up role, but either way I can be verified.

[Falcone]

Allright, so targeting yourself with your ability would allow a rolecop to see if you're telling the truth about your role. Even then, that doesn't say anything about your alignment, because your ability could also be a scum ability. Likewise, targeting Graken would prevent a rolecop from checking if he really is a cop, but it wouldn't prevent a regular cop from checking his alignment. So I still don't see the danger in targeting Graken. In fact, I think he's the safest target you have available.

[Adele]

Any flavour for why a tabloid reporter's a good guy? That seems really nonintuitive to me.

[SpeedyKQ]

Likewise, targeting Graken would prevent a rolecop from checking if he really is a cop,

This would be undesirable, no?

Any flavour for why a tabloid reporter's a good guy?

Not really. My role doesn't even include a win condition, just a description. I've been assuming that means I win with the town...

[Adele]

You have got to be kidding me. Did you not consider

asking

?

confirm vote: SpeedyKQ

come on, this guy is scum to the best of

his

knowledge!

[Falcone]

Likewise, targeting Graken would prevent a rolecop from checking if he really is a cop,

This would be undesirable, no?

That would be undesirable in theory, yes, but like I said, I think it'd be a very bad idea for a cop to check Graken tonight, because I think it's unlikely he's scum, and because it's very likely he'll die.

[BabyJesus]

Waiting on the mod I assume....

[Graken]

That's only 6 votes. Adele was just confirming her vote.

In order of votes placed on SpeedyKQ:

Falcone
Dodgy
Poirot
Graken
Adele
BabyJesus

[SpeedyKQ]

Since I doubt I'll be around much longer, let me share some final ideas which I hope you'll pay attention to once my innocense is confirmed.

BabyJesus can't count but I think he probably isn't scum.

Dodgy and Adele are at the top of my suspicion list. Dodgy especially should be watched carefully - his posts are full of little scum tells. He was way too indignant about the early claims, he needs to tell us he's pro-town, he needs to tell us he doesn't know who is scum, and he seemed glad to point out the easy excuses for this bandwagon on me. In fact, for what it is worth,

vote Dodgy.

[Green Crayons]

Vote: SpeedyKQ

. Out of what has been presented today, I think that you're the most sure-fire lynch.