Square Enix IV (GAME OVER)

[Kise]

Role:

Enabler

Abilities:

1) You are linked to another player who has a killing ability, though you do not know who they are or what their alignment is. As long as you are alive, the identity of this player's target will be hidden upon their death.

+tracker, watch, 3-person bodyguard, 2 grave robbers and a possible bomb. This is still considered scum-favored to you?

/post 1000

[PranaDevil]

Well, set-up wise, the 3 person bodyguard really just meant it was more likely for them to get scuppered at some point. the 2 grave robbers didn't really "help" the town because not only were they (or was it just one?) hated, but it meant not all roles were revealed, meaning we were still down on that side. While the tracker and watcher were both only every other night. Throw in that when Batt went so did the rest of town's roles for that night and, yeah. It's definitely scum favoured with 3 kills. 2 would have been better. Especially as with 3 kills normally you expect there to be three seperate killing roles, rather than two guys (Or one later on) wiping out 3 players per night.

I understand why you did it flavour wise, but it definitely was scum favoured. Though Chrono still earnt it by being able to fly so far under the radar of pretty much everyone.

Knew I should have tried to convince Fate to help me policy lynch Chrono as revenge for SE III .

[Katsuki]

I can see why kise thought it was town-favored.

Supersaint with just 2 scum.

[Kdub]

Kise, the link in your sig needs updating

[MagnaofIllusion]

ITT I find it hilarous that Katsuki is going after someone for fluffly, lurking play and is in the right.

[Chronopie]

WE

CHRONO

WON?

FTFY.

--

2 Scum (No bells or whistles. Just Triple-Killing Janitor Scum)

vs.

Supersaint + Delayed Watcher + Delayed Tracker + Every-Other-Night Cop.

Although Batt's anti-PR helped.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Role:

Enabler

Abilities:

1) You are linked to another player who has a killing ability, though you do not know who they are or what their alignment is. As long as you are alive, the identity of this player's target will be hidden upon their death.

+tracker, watch, 3-person bodyguard, 2 grave robbers and a possible bomb. This is still considered scum-favored to you?

/post 1000

It's not overwhelming Town oriented with the set-up as displayed, IMO. If anything it is very swingy.

Case in point - both useful information roles died by N1.

And claiming a possible Bomb as Anti-scum is a stretch when there were only two scum it could possibly hit.

[Fate]

WE WON?

THIS ISNT AN APOLOGY

[Fate]

Refusal to hammer a SS as a VT, for bullshit reasons, and no alternative desire for anyone else to hammer (aka XXX should hammer because XXX)= scummy as fuck.

[Katsuki]

ITT I find it hilarous that Katsuki is going after someone for fluffly, lurking play and is in the right.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Refusal to hammer a SS as a VT, for bullshit reasons, and no alternative desire for anyone else to hammer (aka XXX should hammer because XXX)= scummy as fuck.

*waves hand dismissively*

Wrong.

Refusal to take demands from anyone= right as rain water if you have no reason to think them sane for any reason.

I care not for your whiny ways~

[Fate]

K you refused, but u didn't say WHY other than NO U, and you didn't propose an alternative

[Katsuki]

CHRONO WHY DID YOU IMMEDIATELY COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT I WAS NOT TOWN-BP, BUT BP SURVIVOR?

[Chronopie]

Becuase I had a BP survivor Fakeclaim, and all my other fakeclaims had a parallel already flipped. (RBT - Graverobber, Batt - enabler, SC/GB - Protector) It was the only Fakeclaim I hadn't seen a flip for already.

I had:
LeBlanc - Gravedigger = RBT - Gravedigger had flipped
Ansem - Enabler = Batt - enabler had flipped
Cosmos - Protector = Strangecoug/Gummy - Protector had flipped

Ruby Weapon -

BP survivor

== Yet to flip.

[Katsuki]

So I couldn't scare you with my BP-SK claim in the end...

I could have entirely overlapped with your kills ya know, considering you had 3. ; P

[Midnight's Sorrow]

... OBJECTION!! ...

Hmm...

Let''s see.

Why don't we outline the essential then?

I was Town.

It was Day 4.

There weren't that many people left.

It was rumored that 2 scum were left in that miserable few, and Town was shit.

It was quite possibly endgame, for Town anyways, if one more bad move like D-3 was made.

Connect the dots...

and you get:

VT taking such a risk in such circumstances= sheer stupidity

And I'm far from stupid

OBJECTION OVERRULED BIOTCH! >:]

[Nero Cain]

Told you Chrono was scum, Fate.

I think I was the first one to call Chrono scum way back on day one.

I also agree with MOI that Fate shouldn't be the one TOTALLY at fault however his gambit really fucked the town over and he should get a decent portion of the blame. And his repeatedly defense of scum Chrono made him look extremely scummy. That's what I really hate about alot of players. There's really no damn point in claiming someone is town unless you know they are town.

I agree that the setup was scum favored but town coulda sill won.

Also Kat, I think you had unvoted Chrono before I had gotten here.

[Katsuki]

If you had voted chrono, I would have hammered.

Though, I'm somewhat glad I didn't, even though you caught chrono's slip. Just look at this post-game.

Fate continual calling of chrono obvtown also had me questioning his alignment D4. Who knew there was only 1 scum remaining at that point...

[Chronopie]

Well it ended up a Mafia/Survivor Win, rather than a Town/Survivor Win.

Just think, you're one of just three winners, rather than 1/16. That's a good thing.

[Nero Cain]

If you had voted chrono, I would have hammered.

Though, I'm somewhat glad I didn't, even though you caught chrono's slip. Just look at this post-game.

Fate continual calling of chrono obvtown also had me questioning his alignment D4. Who knew there was only 1 scum remaining at that point...

I was really tired. Your play (and Fate's potential town flip) had me questioning my Chrono read and I had totally forgotten it would only take one vote to lynch me. So I really screwed up there.

[Katsuki]

Well it ended up a Mafia/Survivor Win, rather than a Town/Survivor Win.

Just think, you're one of just three winners, rather than 1/16. That's a good thing.

Yeah.

I probably would have ended up giving scum the win. Town did not deserve it at all.
Hence why I unvoted you. I wanted time to decide who was gonna win. Then you took matters into your own hands haha

[Katsuki]

If you had voted chrono, I would have hammered.

Though, I'm somewhat glad I didn't, even though you caught chrono's slip. Just look at this post-game.

Fate continual calling of chrono obvtown also had me questioning his alignment D4. Who knew there was only 1 scum remaining at that point...

I was really tired. Your play (and Fate's potential town flip) had me questioning my Chrono read and I had totally forgotten it would only take one vote to lynch me. So I really screwed up there.

WELLLLLLLLLLLL

I wasn't joking that I played the entire game trying to draw a kill. I just had a giant brainclog D4, where my survival desires completely came through.

[Nero Cain]

Town did not deserve it at all.

No offense but I don't think scum really was all that deserving either but I'm tempted to agree that the town play was a lil' bit on the poor side.

[Fate]

Nero, your reads were right sans fate scum. I apologize for any insults

[Battousai]

I still don't understand why I was lynched. I mean seriously, if you thought Fate was telling the truth due to catching Reck, why wouldn't it be possible for you to think that he was telling the truth about bunny lying which would mean bunny was scum? Also, bunny wasn't even flipped then, so lynching me for knowing that bunny was scum doesn't make sense.

The last day, I had scum as either Chrono or NC (going with NC as scum); MS and Kat.

I'd say the game was swingy much more than it was town powered. Janitored + 3 kills/night + 2/15 chance of catching scum is much more powerful for scum than considered. That's a lot of misinformation for town, and then not to mention that scum were given fake claims of the major roles in the game was a bit swingy (if they had to claim before figuring it out, they'd get countered easily; otherwise they can preemptively claim and be believed and can act accordingly around the roles). Instead of trying to make 2 scum balanced, it would have been easier to just add a scum, scum team, or SK.