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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:13 pm

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- Iammars, Baby Jesus, armlx, Fritzler
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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:38 pm

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Seriously, lets not lynch Iammars today. WTF are you people thinking?
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:19 am

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BJ is being unusually protective of Iammars (or unfoundedly agressive toward Emp. "Unfounded" because he didn't start out the day voting for him but warmed up to it) and that's good enough for me not to join that bw. (But it's hard to tell whether he has *reason* for it or it's just another part of his antic disposition). I stand by my prediction - I don't think there can be any two-person mafia group left. Unless BJ is setting up a role claim for himself for later, I think it's safe to leave Iammars alone. They're not working together.

Thok's reference to tss's comment as a "good reason" strikes me as very weak.

Emp is pushing hard for Iammars' lynch. This could mean he's scum and desperate or he's enthusiastic. I've only played with him once, but he was definitely enthusiastic. I'd like to keep him around.

But it seems to me tss is trying to set up the next bw before this one ends.

tss: If, by "scum tells", you mean analysing the deaths á la Jeep's wiki article, that's old hat. When exposed, they were interesting, but now they're worse than useless - scum know to avoid them.

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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:16 am

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d8P wrote:tss: If, by "scum tells", you mean analysing the deaths á la Jeep's wiki article, that's old hat. When exposed, they were interesting, but now they're worse than useless - scum know to avoid them.
Old hat scum usually know how to avoid them. But there are a lot of players on this site who've never played with jeep and in many instances aren't aware of his tells until someone (accurately) accuses them of them. I know I've been in a game in which scum was correctly pinched by jeep's tells in the last month. I think your point is a good one, that they aren't as useful as they used to be, but I think they still have a good deal of value, especially against relatively new players.
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:25 am

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d8P wrote:I stand by my prediction - I don't think there can be any two-person mafia group left. Unless BJ is setting up a role claim for himself for later, I think it's safe to leave Iammars alone. They're not working together.
Huh? Why couldn't there be two or more Niska remaining? Unless you are a Niska goon, that seems like a silly comment to make.

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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:32 am

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Thok wrote:
d8P wrote:I stand by my prediction - I don't think there can be any two-person mafia group left. Unless BJ is setting up a role claim for himself for later, I think it's safe to leave Iammars alone. They're not working together.
Huh? Why couldn't there be two or more Niska remaining? Unless you are a Niska goon, that seems like a silly comment to make.

unvote Iammars, vote D8P
Yeah, I agree. Usually if you have 2 scum groups in a game this size, average is that they're both 3 person scum groups. I'd like you to explain your comments there.

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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:40 am

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unvote, vote: d8p
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:35 am

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Otaku376 is back - replacing Mini Neo

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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:47 pm

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d8P:
d8P [277] wrote:I stand by my prediction - I don't think there can be any two-person mafia group left.
I also want to hear more on this.
d8P [cont.] wrote:<snip>But it seems to me tss is trying to set up the next bw before this one ends.<snip>
Why would you- just when the Iammars bandwagon received 2 new voters- think it would be about to end?
d8P [cont.] wrote:<snip>Emp is pushing hard for Iammars' lynch. This could mean he's scum and desperate or he's enthusiastic. I've only played with him once, but he was definitely enthusiastic. I'd like to keep him around.<snip>
Aw, thanks. For the record, I’d like to think I’m enthusiastic even when I’m scum and desperate. Not that I am *ever* desperate. Or scum.


Yosarian:
Yosarian2 [280] wrote:Yeah, I agree. Usually if you have 2 scum groups in a game this size, average is that they're both 3 person scum groups. I'd like you to explain your comments there.
On a similar note, why 3-person groups?


tss:
Since there seems to be a slight dispute, could you state exactly what you meant by “scum tells and all” against d8P?

Also, in the interests of accuracy, I should point out that in [270] I should belong on the “Has seen the movie AND at least one episode” category. But the show is better, IMHO.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:07 pm

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d8P wrote:Coolish. So far a blue sun operative, a bounty hunter hired by the sun group and a Niska mafia have died.
Scum tell #1. Being overly vocal in his hurrays at the deaths of scum.
I'd say there is probably only one more Blue operative left, and probably one more Niska, no doubt the GF as Vis was a goon.
Scum tell #2. Probably misleading assertion regarding number of scum in a group: most games make their non-SK scum groups evenly matched wrt numbers, and the typical number is three as that usually gives a reasonable town/total scum balance.
When exposed, they were interesting, but now they're worse than useless - scum know to avoid them.
And yet... you didn't.
Unvote: Iammars, vote: d8P
. Better suspicions and (now) bigger bandwagon. But I'd still like to hear Iammars's response to my post.
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:26 pm

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vote: d8P

For not only his assumption of a 2 person mafia but also it is odd that he tried to deter the bandwagon he was on. Plus I am a sheep. I also had this whole rant about emptyger but it didn't go anywhere so I took it out. I've been following but I may need to regain my bearing a little better so I shall try to reread this and get a better grasp of today's events.
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:20 pm

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Hi otaku, sup?

How's the afterlife?
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:07 pm

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I agree about EmpTyger. He is more suspicious then Iammars IMO. However, not that D8P has screwed up, it seems reasonable given what I said at the start of the day.

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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:08 pm

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still suspicious of Empy, but I will
unvote, vote vote D8P
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:09 pm

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that should put him 1 away, so we may as well just finish him....
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:12 pm

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You, thats 7 of 8.
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:29 pm

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I still find Iammars much more suspicious, but I realistically doubt there will be enough support for him over d8P at this point. If I am not satisfied by d8P’s next post (ie: a full explanation and claim), I will be putting a lynching vote on him.

<keeping my vote on Iammars in the meantime, just in case>
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:34 pm

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d8P (7)
- Thok, Yosarian, Fritzler, the silent speaker, otaku, armlx, baby jesus
Iammars (2)
- Fuldu, EmpTyger,
EmpTyger (1)
- Iammars
~deathsquiggle~ (1)
- Peacebringer
otaku376 (1)
- Dragon Phoenix
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- d8P

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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:18 am

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I am River Tam, a mason. I will leave it up to the other mason to decide whether to confirm this or not.

Again, it is totally unreasonable to presume we have two three-person mafia groups plus the contract kidnapper. Mafia groups are normally balanced. So we have two two-person mafia groups plus the kidnapper. That's what I said at the start of the day and I stand by it.

Overly vocal in hurrays? I said coolish and made an observation I consider important - the scum that are left aren't working together.
BabyJesus wrote:that should put him 1 away, so we may as well just finish him....
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:49 am

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unvote
since that a ridiculously easy role to confirm and it essentially has to be in the game.

D8P-does your role specifically say that the kidnapper is in a different group from the Blue Sin group? The front page suggests that the Blue Sun mafia group=2 hands of blue + Jubal Early. It would fit the theme if the Blue Sun group didn't have a god-father, and Jubal was given bonus powers to compensate.
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:59 am

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unvote:d8P
because if he has the guts to fake
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, he deserves to win.

Iammars, I'd like to hear your defense now.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:25 am

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Thok - no. In post 167 Mr. Whedon wrote that Jubal was freelance bounty hunter, hired by the Blue Sun Group. He was not really part of the group and had a distinct night action. Three night actions by two groups of two plus one extra seems heavy enough. Anyway, we'll see how things pan out.
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:55 am

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My vote stays on D8P. It says nowhere that he had his own night action.....
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:21 am

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I can confirm his mason claim, seeing as how I'm the other mason. Unvotes please?
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:33 am

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