Mini 269 - Game Over

[Matjoeman]

Sorry for the double post but sarnath'dom requires of it.

WHy the hell are you telling us this? I realize you guys like the whole "Lych all liars" bullshit, but this is freaking ridiculous.

Well I don't see how it could hurt us at all in any significant way. Besides, if he were lying then he would have to fabricate this and it would be easier to detect deception. As you can see many people have dropped their suspicions.

FOS:BabyJesus

Oh and while LAL may be mafia 101, it's not bullshit.

[Falcone]

BJ, Graken already claimed earlier that he can't be protected at night. The flavour claim really can't hurt us anymore once that info is in the open, so I asked him to give it to give him another opportunity to slip up in the unlikely case he is scum.

Oh, and Warpdragon, my initial reaction to Graken's (second) claim was the same as yours, but look at it this way: If he hadn't claimed, the scum would assume that he'd be doc protected and choose another victim, so we'd be guaranteed at least one investigation from Graken. In the present situation, the doc is free to protect someone else, sure, but the scum can safely kill Graken, thus denying the town any investigation from him. So it would have been better if he hadn't claimed.

[SpeedyKQ]

1) SpeedyKQ, do you pick which players gets your fake role?

Yes. But I need to ask the mod if I'm allowed to target the same person over and over again or not.

I need to give this game a good read to look for scumminess. I admit I've mostly been worried about how to deal with my own role so far.

[Poirot]

BJ, Graken already claimed earlier that he can't be protected at night. The flavour claim really can't hurt us anymore once that info is in the open, so I asked him to give it to give him another opportunity to slip up in the unlikely case he is scum.

Oh, and Warpdragon, my initial reaction to Graken's (second) claim was the same as yours, but look at it this way: If he hadn't claimed, the scum would assume that he'd be doc protected and choose another victim, so we'd be guaranteed at least one investigation from Graken. In the present situation, the doc is free to protect someone else, sure, but the scum can safely kill Graken, thus denying the town any investigation from him. So it would have been better if he hadn't claimed.

This is a good point. Of course, this means that the mafia gets a free shot at the Doc, but right now, a random killing exchanged for one investigation is better than losing the Cop in exchange for deterring a killing on someone who may be more important.

[BabyJesus]

1) SpeedyKQ, do you pick which players gets your fake role?

Yes. But I need to ask the mod if I'm allowed to target the same person over and over again or not.

I need to give this game a good read to look for scumminess. I admit I've mostly been worried about how to deal with my own role so far.

I suggest you target Graken tonight.....

[Matjoeman]

I suggest you target Graken tonight.....

Agreed

[Green Crayons]

I think we all need to decide whether we take Graken at face value or whether we think he has made too many stupid mistakes now to be our real cop.

I think this was the most suspicious of Dodgy's post, and was surprised that nobody else found it enough so to comment on it. While we do catch scum through stupid mistakes they make, I don't think the mistakes that Graken has made are exactly suspicious, just... well, stupid. I don't see how a role claim and a detailed description of his weakness equates to stupid mistakes that might make Graken scum. If anything, assuming Graken was scum, it would be some sort of gambit (not a stupid mistake) by claiming cop, but the notion of it being some sort of gambit is shot to hell with the weakness claim.

I, too, am curious behind BJ's vote for armlx.

[Poirot]

I think we all need to decide whether we take Graken at face value or whether we think he has made too many stupid mistakes now to be our real cop.

I think this was the most suspicious of Dodgy's post, and was surprised that nobody else found it enough so to comment on it. While we do catch scum through stupid mistakes they make, I don't think the mistakes that Graken has made are exactly suspicious, just... well, stupid. I don't see how a role claim and a detailed description of his weakness equates to stupid mistakes that might make Graken scum. If anything, assuming Graken was scum, it would be some sort of gambit (not a stupid mistake) by claiming cop, but the notion of it being some sort of gambit is shot to hell with the weakness claim.

I, too, am curious behind BJ's vote for armlx.

I went over the possible reasons behind Graken being scum (on page 2, I believe), but I have to say that it's fairly impossible for Graken to be scum (and still alive). I say that we take Graken at face value and move on-it isn't a big deal.

[Dodgy]

Get with the programme Green Crayons,
Poirot did pick up on it and after input from a couple of others, I addressed it.
Read my posts.
I am still waiting for BabyJesus to tell us why he thinks armlx is scum?

[BabyJesus]

Get with the programme Green Crayons,
Poirot did pick up on it and after input from a couple of others, I addressed it.
Read my posts.
I am still waiting for BabyJesus to tell us why he thinks armlx is scum?

your protection of armlx is noted.

[Dodgy]

LOL, I'm not protecting armlx, he has hardly posted and in my opinion lurking (maybe for a reason) as I said in an earlier post.
I want to know why you think he is scum as I said BRFORE, our cop is in big trouble and we need all the information we can get, so could you share your thoughts on why you think armlx is scum and then we might see your point.
We just want you to explain!

[Dodgy]

PS. I think you will find (if you read back) that matjoeman and green crayons also want to know your thoughts.
If you think you have some info, then share it with us, thats the whole point lol

[BabyJesus]

PS. I think you will find (if you read back) that matjoeman and green crayons also want to know your thoughts.
If you think you have some info, then share it with us, thats the whole point lol

armlx is on the list. See sig.

[Dodgy]

Well that was helpful, thanks for that

[BabyJesus]

Well that was helpful, thanks for that

8)

[Matjoeman]

Good plan BJ

Vote: the rest of the people on BJ's sig

. LASigd

[BabyJesus]

Good plan BJ

Vote: the rest of the people on BJ's sig

. LASigd

they will all get whats coming to them.....

[Green Crayons]

I went over the possible reasons behind Graken being scum (on page 2, I believe), but I have to say that it's fairly impossible for Graken to be scum (and still alive). I say that we take Graken at face value and move on-it isn't a big deal.

Uh, I've been quite convinced from the get-go that Graken isn't pulling some sort of risky gambit. That wasn't the point of my post.

Get with the programme Green Crayons,
Poirot did pick up on it and after input from a couple of others, I addressed it.
Read my posts.

I

am

with the program, sir. And, while I found you to be suspicious while reading through the posts, I was surprised that what I thought was the most suspicious point of the quotation that Falcone brought to light nobody talked about.

Here's your quote again, and I'll explain further:

I think we all need to decide whether we take Graken at face value or whether we think he has made too many stupid mistakes now to be our real cop.

You're giving an ultimatium to the town to decide to believe that Graken is indeed a cop or if he has made "stupid mistakes" which would mean that he is scum. However, my point of contention with your suggestion is that I believe that Graken is a cop

because

he has made all these stupid mistakes, such as revealing himself as well as his weakness. It's quite obvious that he made some errors in judgement, but it looks in this quote as if you're telling the town to decide that Graken's scum if we think he's done things that we consider stupid.

(Note to Graken: Personally, I think "stupid" is too a harsh word, so every time I or someone else uses it, just replace it with "error in judgement." It's a shame that you outed yourself so early in the game, but it's all good, we have to learn at some point.)

I thought it was a suspicious statement to make, and nobody commented specifically about this line. If they did, I missed it, and by all means pull the quotes out so I can read what I missed.

I suggest you target Graken tonight.....

Why should he manipulate the role name and description for someone who is - more than likely - going to die?

[Poirot]

Uh, I've been quite convinced from the get-go that Graken isn't pulling some sort of risky gambit.

And I was supporting you.

Personally, I can't see why armlx is not posting. I'll prod him and see if he forgot. Could we get a

Mod Prod on armlx

as well, or possibly a replacement? When the discussion is held up by an absent player, nothing is happening.

[Green Crayons]

Oh, i thought you were correcting me. Or something.

[BabyJesus]

I suggest you target Graken tonight.....

Why should he manipulate the role name and description for someone who is - more than likely - going to die?

because the only reason for this role is the existence of a role cop. And I'm of the opinion our role cop getting reliable info is a good thing......


Unless Speedy KQ is scum. In which case he's not gonna do what we ask anyway...

[Matjoeman]

Exactly, if Graken lives he will have a 100% chance of getting a real role, unless he investigates himself.

[Adele]

armlx doesn't post much, but then nor do I. This is a weird game.

Would it be hypocritical to ask Babyjesus: "why did you vote for him?" at the same time as saying: "um, armlx, could you post please?"

I feel zero compulsion to be angry at anyone here. No-one's insulting people, there are no dumb bandwagons (or smart ones either)... this is

such

a weird game.

[Green Crayons]

because the only reason for this role is the existence of a role cop. And I'm of the opinion our role cop getting reliable info is a good thing......

I was under the impression that Speedy doesn't get role information, he merley makes up a role name and description that if someone else investigates, they'll get that false information instead of the real deal. I'm still not following.

His role ability sounds detrimental to the town, so I'm under the opinion that he shouldn't target anyone.

[BabyJesus]

Exactly, if Graken lives he will have a 100% chance of getting a real role, unless he investigates himself.

is Graken the role cop? I must have missed that, I thought he just said cop....