Mini 1127 Cult vs Masons OVER. TOWN WINS

[Katsuki]

Unvote, Vote: Andrius

[Andrius]

GOOD DEAL. THIS FUCKING GAME.
FUCK YOU KATSUKI.
FUCK YOU FOR NOT EVEN TRYING.
EVER.

[Andrius]

Unofficial Votecount

Andrius - 5 - vas, cooldog, exe, auro, katsuki
Exe - 2 - parama, Andrius
Cooldog - 1 - ender
Auro - 1 - plum
parama - 1 chesskid
VasudeVa - 1 - Nachomamma8

Not voting: Adumbro

With 12 alive, 7 will lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not sure, does your argument just boil down to (gut)meta of Plum - "I wouldn't expect scumPlum to do this" - or a familiarity with the workings of CR's in general? It looks to be a bit of both, is there one that's more prominent than the other or are they equal?

It's mostly "I wouldn't expect scumPlum to do this". I have no experience at all with CRs of any type.

Nacho, if you had a bad reason I would have thought you were making one up to justify not voting Plum, whereas a good reason that actually explained the distinction satisfactorily would have been...satisfyingly townish.

Well, I wasn't voting Plum because I wasn't confident enough in my reasoning for her being CR. Had I had a good reason, I definitely would've been voting her, and it would've been scummy if I wasn't.

Why was I surprised at being called scum? Because I legitimately didn't think there were mafia until I was accused of being one.

You obviously thought that it was fairly possible since YOU WERE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP.

Regarding the alliance, I'm pretty sure I've made my stance clear on that so far. My last few posts have dealt with that issue repeatedly.

Then explain the post where you told Parama he was "overexaggerating the seriousness of the alliance."

Why is it fishy to want mafia dead instead of CR? Because frankly I'm still not convinced there are mafia, while we KNOW there is a cult recruiter and we KNOW cult recruiters get stronger the more you let them live. This isn't rocket science.
Occam's razor says go for the CR until we know there's anything else to fear.

Occam's razor says go for the scummiest person until they die, then rinse and repeat.

Since when have I only posted one sentence about AV? I don't see how you can even begin to make the argument that the sentence u quoted was the only time I gave attention to AV being suspicious. And that "something" is that I have a gut scummy read on him. Isn't that obvious?

You went "AV is becoming more like my experience with him." and then "now AV is becoming suspicious" with absolutely nothing in between.
And yeah, but it'd be nice if you could explain how your gut is setting you off. Even "I don't like this post" is x1000 better than just gut flip-flopping.

Seriously? I think someone is just asking questions for the sake of questions. This is starting to smell like an act to appear pro-town.
Read my posts accusing AV and tell me how exactly you don't understand what I am referring to. Please.

Do you think he's... copping out from taking a side? Because I thought he explained his conundrum pretty well.
Or is it something else that I'm missing?

[Nachomamma8]

Well then why are you attacking Andy?
If you have reasons, the least you can do is give them.

To clarify VV I trust your read on him.
I just need you to give me something to show that it's valid.

[Nachomamma8]

Because I'm not sure. Vibes. And I was hoping you'd explain why you didn't vote CR_Plum.
Though I feel most confident right now in voting a scumbag, of whatever color.

Unvote, Vote: Exe

CR is nice, but the supposed normal mafia is 2nd best.

ANDY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE VOTED SINCE YOUR RANDOM VOTE.
EXPLAIN.

[ender241]

VOTE: Andrius

For all the other things done in the thread in addition to that pretty much attacking people for voting you is stupid and makes it more likely of you being scum.

[ender241]

Oops! Forgot to unvote! UNVOTE: VOTE: Andirus

[chesskid3]

what the hell is going on/why is andrius at L-1 with no real reason?

[Andrius]

NACHO I FUCKING EXPLAINED ALREADY. PARAMA HAS REASONS TO VOTE EXE AND THEY ARE VALID. I AGREE, AND RAISE EXE A VOTE ON HIM.
WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I NOT MADE CLEAR.
WHAT THE FUCK.

EVIDNEITIALLY I GOT THE WHOLE FUCKING VI CREW VOTING ME NOW. HOORAYFUCKINGRAY. THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT.
ILL FUCKING CLAIM IF THREATENED WITH A HAMMER BUT ALL THE FUCKING VIS ON ME MEAN NOTHING.
THERE WILL BE HARSH WORDS AND BLOODSHED AND BLACKLISTS WHEN THIS IS SAID AND DONE.

CHESSKID ISN'T TRYING.
KATSUKI ISN'T DOING ANYTHING
ENDER IS FLYING UNDER THE RADAR BURNING MASON LODGES AS HE GOES
COOLDOG IS TUNNELING OVER ME BEING NICE AND "OH PPL CANT BE NICE IN MAFIA B/C IM A PRICK"

THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT.

I WILL CLAIM WHEN I HAVE SOMEONE WILLING TO HAMMER ME.
BUT THE VI-SQUAD DOES NOT MOVE ME.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF THIS GAME

[Parama]

Andy, who are your top 3 scumreads? By that, I mean scum in general, not just "oh man this guy is CR".

[ender241]

UNVOTE: that isn't helping.

[Andrius]

Exe. Definitely scum.
Nacho is likely CR, potentially buddy with Exe. Weak connection though.
One of AV/Vas. Leaning Vas. But I need to reread AV.

Ender is a fuckhead VI.
Plum is lurkylurk like scum and not even doing anything helpful besides SO ANDY I SEE U LIEK SPECULATION, and OH HEY ANDY NACHO JUST POSTED OHMYBAD.

This is fucking ridiculous.

predit: NO IT WASNT FUCKING HELPING ENDER GODDAMN AND READ THE FUCKING GAME.

[Nachomamma8]

Andy I wasn't asking reasoning for your Exe vote.
I was acting why it took you so long to vote nonrandomly.

[AdumbroDeus]

My apologies, didn't get an email notification for some reason and didn't think to check mafiascum in a while, give me a bit to catch up.

[Exe]

I really hate when an honest question to the mod makes me appear scum. Oh well.

You obviously thought that it was fairly possible since YOU WERE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP.

Your logic doesn't add up. I asked because I joined this game thinking it was mason vs cult ONLY. I wanted the mod to clarify in case I was wrong.

Then explain the post where you told Parama he was "overexaggerating the seriousness of the alliance."

I was pointing out that my alliance wasn't based on townie-ness, nor was it supposed to confirm anyone. I never take an alliance seriously, by which I mean I never look for only the most sure townies to ally with.

Occam's razor says go for the scummiest person until they die, then rinse and repeat.

I disagree entirely, but mmk. Go with what you know: you know there's a cult recruiter, so go for the most likely cult recruiter.

And yeah, but it'd be nice if you could explain how your gut is setting you off. Even "I don't like this post" is x1000 better than just gut flip-flopping.

Nope, I disagree. I like my gut, it's my main scumhunting tool, and it's proven a lot more useful in the past than fancy words and empty rhetoric. Or 1000 questions

Do you think he's... copping out from taking a side?

You win a gold medal for being right. Like I said, it was obvious. And regardless of how well

you

think he explained it,

I

think it's a cop-out.

Alright, the Andy-Rage can stop now.

Unvote.

I'm getting town vibes off ragemode-Andy.

Vote: AV

next best scum suspect. Wagon plz.

[AdumbroDeus]

NACHO I FUCKING EXPLAINED ALREADY. PARAMA HAS REASONS TO VOTE EXE AND THEY ARE VALID. I AGREE, AND RAISE EXE A VOTE ON HIM.
WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I NOT MADE CLEAR.
WHAT THE FUCK.

EVIDNEITIALLY I GOT THE WHOLE FUCKING VI CREW VOTING ME NOW. HOORAYFUCKINGRAY. THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT.
ILL FUCKING CLAIM IF THREATENED WITH A HAMMER BUT ALL THE FUCKING VIS ON ME MEAN NOTHING.
THERE WILL BE HARSH WORDS AND BLOODSHED AND BLACKLISTS WHEN THIS IS SAID AND DONE.

CHESSKID ISN'T TRYING.
KATSUKI ISN'T DOING ANYTHING
ENDER IS FLYING UNDER THE RADAR BURNING MASON LODGES AS HE GOES
COOLDOG IS TUNNELING OVER ME BEING NICE AND "OH PPL CANT BE NICE IN MAFIA B/C IM A PRICK"

THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT.

I WILL CLAIM WHEN I HAVE SOMEONE WILLING TO HAMMER ME.
BUT THE VI-SQUAD DOES NOT MOVE ME.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF THIS GAME

I get a flailing scum read a mile wide from this post. ATEs, Implicit appeals to consequences of actions, the works.


Especially considering that the "I suck as scum and would do this, this and this" is really wierd prior to any signifigant pressure and just comes off as overly defensive.


Cooldog is dumbtown.


If Andrius is town or there are multiple scum factions, Ender is scum, backed off WAY too easily, timid scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: AdumbroDeus

FOUND HIM GUYS.

I get a flailing scum read a mile wide from this post. ATEs, Implicit appeals to consequences of actions, the works.

BUT IS THERE A VOTE?
NOPE.

GOGO LYNCH.

[chesskid3]

lolk

Unvote

Vote: Adumbro

[Parama]

THIS WORKS TOO.

unvote, vote: Adumbro

LET'S LYNCH SOMEONE, THIS DAY HAS BEEN TOO LONG.

[Plum]

OH YEAH

If Andrius is town or there are multiple scum factions, Ender is scum, backed off WAY too easily, timid scum.

NICE SETTING UP LYNCHES, SCUMBAG.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: AdumbroDeus

[chesskid3]

that clears ender too which is nice
because ender is fucking impossible to read noob

[Kmd4390]

Vote Count

Andrius -4- vas, cooldog, auro, Kat
Adumbro - 4 - Nacho, Chesskid, Parama, Plum
Exe - 1 - Andrius
Auro - 1 - Exe

Not voting: Adumbro, ender

With 12 alive, 7 will lynch.

Deadline is Sunday, Feb 27, at 7:31 PM EST

[AdumbroDeus]

Heh? I just entered the game I haven't even finished reading it over. But based on what I've seen so far Andrius is the lynch I wanna push for today. We didn't even have a current votecount at the time regardless.

OH YEAH

If Andrius is town or there are multiple scum factions, Ender is scum, backed off WAY too easily, timid scum.

NICE SETTING UP LYNCHES, SCUMBAG.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: AdumbroDeus

*narrows eyes*

Plum, I know you know that this type of reasoning is useful in catching scum, it's basing it on interactions. If it was somebody else that pressured him causing him to remove the vote then he could've been looking for an excuse to remove the vote. But since Andrius did it and he removed the vote with almost no provocation that suggests that he didn't like the attention he was getting from Andrius. But if we have one scum faction and one flips scum, it's unlikely the other will. Giving up when pushed by a scummate builds connections far too easily, I doubt any actual scum would do it, so if Andrius flips town it's a dumbtown maneuver.


Come on, you were much better then this in the invitational, what changed?


Nacho's probably town, scum wouldn't push themselves out so far to start a wagon off a single post.


Don't like the wagon-jumpers, since they contributed absolutely nothing.


Moreso Plum and parma because Parma is pushing for a quicklynch because "the day dragged on too long" when there's still signifigant time left before the deadline and no clear lynch target, and Plum should recognize the value of associative tells.


Chesskid's a null.


Decision on who needs to die when I've finished reading.

[Nachomamma8]

NICE TRY SCUMBAG.

BUT IF YOU CAN MAKE ASSOCIATION TELLS YOU CAN PUT DOWN A VOTE.