Open 284: Tit for Tat (Over)

[DemonHybrid]

FoS: silverbullet

Replacing out is NEVER indicative of malicious intent.

[aaah400]

I agree but i have notified the mod if i can try playing again if there arnt any inconviniences. I just need time to catch up with the long posts and also i need to reread to see how i think things are turning out. If the mod doesnt mind, i would like to keep playing if i can IF no replacements have been found

[aaah400]

Hmm. I think i shall start now. Lets see. From the beginning.

Page 1

• CS
  - Starts off with a no lynch but as soon as he gets accused, he votes Shattered.
  
• Uite
  -

  Tell me why you chose Shattered Viewpoint over AurorusVox, since you seem to be simply hopping on the biggest wagon.

  Vos has only posted "Vote CS for no lynch" and Uite wants to see y shattered over Aurorusvos. not too sure whats he up too here.
  
• Don and CES
  - desides they were going to go for AurorusVox as they said AurorusVox claimed scum? i dont see it :/

Overall this is pretty straight forward besides the part CES and DON about AurorusVox

Page 2.

• CES
  - Claims aaah400 (me), Silverbullet , AurorusVox as the scum group. So early in the game? Ill suspect this is a random guess?.
  
• Antihero
  - agrees with Don and CES and goes for the AurorusVox wagon? lynch?
  
• DeathKitty
  -

  AurorusVox + silverbullet + aaah400 is the scum group. Calling it now.

  You're missing Uite.

  Vote: AurorusVox

  . Death kitty agrees with the 3 people and asks wheres Uite but votes AuroraVox. Interesting
  
• Demonhybrid
  - votes AuroraVox as he states

  Who SERIOUSLY votes for a No Lynch? And the fact that you're still pushing it (in comparison to Uite who is asking other people different questions) allows me to skip RVS entirely.

• RedCoyote
  - Votes Uite as he notices that he/she is going for AuroraVox as he hop onto the wagon (wanting to lynch AuroraVox or pressure him)
• CES
  - Claims that his his list of scum group people was random which appeared to me it was serious and he also says he wants to lynch me if he was mafia or vigilante due to me accusing him from the beginning
  
• Myself
  - FOS CES for his random actions (wanted me to confess, wen is good lynching period, wen should i claim etc)
  
• DeathKitty
  - Votes Uite (not sure)
  
• CES
  - Votes me.

More questions on AuroraVox if he's scum, i get voted wen i FOS CES.

Page 3

• AuroraVox
  - votes me as i was keeping my vote on Silverbullet (random vote) and i FOS CES. I ask y am i on the list wen i have only did a random vote and AuroraVox states y is he on the list wen he also did a random vote only? then y push for no lynch. Lets move on anyhow
  
• CS
  - notifies how things have changed and likes it. he said i had a question to answer which i clearly dont see what question he had asked me as i am going slowly through the texts. And also says he doesnt like RC buddying with him. ...
  
• Shattered
  - Votes me after i have said i wont claim so early in the game. says i act differntly now
  
• DemonHybrid
  - Keeps his vote on Vox. States Vox is keeping distance from his mistake
  
• CES
  - wanting to lynch fast as he thinks on Page 3 is a reasonable time for a lynch.
  
• Demon and Vox talk and don johnson states nothing relavent
  
• Antihero
  - why would CES want to lynch me? then y would he put my name up on the top 3? of course it may be random distancing but still i am on the list of 3 and you are suspicious from other people about not voting etc..
  
• CES
  - This is where he is determined to lynch me and totally doesnt give a crap about what Demon and AuroraVox is talking about

  AV-DH discussion is boring and is distracting us from lynching aaaah400.

[aaah400]

Please read as this did take me a long time? i know it is long and i think i have pointed the important things in each page.

[RedCoyote]

Also would anyone post the case on the ConMan? I'd appreciate itsss.

I'm not a fan of how he's gotten close to you.

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SV had no random vote, and then when called out on it random voted. When DRK questioned him about it it was all "DONT QUESTION ME"

other than that all he has done has requested prods, and said "oh lolscum" and bitched about RVS. We know he thinks aaah is scum but we have no reasoning behind it at all.

This is a good point, I think.

It looks like RC is trying to find a way to discredit any attack on aaaah.

You're painting with a broad brush, but I do think many of these language-intensive attacks against aaah are a waste of time. He's clearly struggling to communicate, so it's going to be very difficult to try and "catch him" for saying something that might seem peculiuar to you or me.

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Trust me, I'm not like 99% of Mafiascum; I know when I'm wrong.

I've gotten a town on town sense with this argument since the beginning.

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aaah, I changed from my random vote, which was the only vote I had cast six pages ago.

Wait, wait, wait. SV was a random vote?

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I just need time to catch up with the long posts and also i need to reread to see how i think things are turning out.

Don't let silver influence your decision one way or the other. If you think you need to replace out, please do.

[AurorusVox]

^so aaah has now posted content. With regards to my particular suspicion of her; I don't see at any point where she explained her early scumread of me. So after failing to attribute a reason to it three times, she's now pretending it never even existed - and drops the FoS she had of me due to subsequent actions. Interesting.

[aaah400]

I think i have said that in the beginning of page two. what's wrong with having fos on one and vote another?

[AurorusVox]

(page three)

"

AuroraVox

- votes me as i was keeping my vote on Silverbullet (random vote) and i FOS CES. I ask y am i on the list wen i have only did a random vote and AuroraVox states y is he on the list wen he also did a random vote only? then y push for no lynch. Lets move on anyhow"

Let me break this down as to why I voted you:

You had a RANDOM vote on someone, i.e. you didn't know whether or not you thought they were scum, or worse yet, you didn't think they were scum
-You made sure we knew it was random because you said RVS next to it
-There was someone you thought was scum
-You did not vote for them, but kept your vote on someone you didn't have a read on
-You were voting for someone you didn't have a read on whilst NOT voting for someone you read as scum <--- that's the problem

Then, BEFORE I voted for you;
-You said that you

shouldn't

have been on the list for only having a random vote.
-You said that I

should

have been on the list
-My only post at this point was (what looked like) a random vote
-When I called this hypocritical, you started saying that I was suspicious for actions taken AFTER the post in which you called me suspicious

Now you've dropped your suspicion of me (as DH drops his suspicion?). I think you were calling me scum because everyone else was and you wanted to go with the rest of town.

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Can I ask; why do you FoS Mothrax when he "needs to post information" but not don_johnson?

[ConSpiracy]

UNVOTE: aaah
I am not sure what to think about aaah´s wall. There are certainly some scummy elements in it, but she reminds me of someone else who plays in a similar way. I will get to it next saturday.

Aaah, can you please post a list wherein you put everybody in a list going from most town to most scum?

he said i had a question to answer which i clearly dont see what question he had asked me as i am going slowly through the texts. And also says he doesnt like RC buddying with him. ...

I asked this, and as far as I know you didn´t answer it directly. However, others have asked it, too, and you have responded to them.

Why did you care to put RVS next to your vote? Are you scared people might take the vote seriously and target you for it?

CS -

Still not taking responsibility for your vote? It is still random, although you found him suspicious.Righto...

what does this actually mean? your writing is vague here. i random voted him and started to get suspicious after reading. straight forward.

You were constantly saying your vote was RVS, but you were finding silver scummy. You aren't taking the responsibility for your vote, which is scummy.

I have a busy week coming up and I won't be able to post anything big until saturday. I will read the thread and answer questions/posting small texts in case something stands out to me. Consider it to be a semi-V/La.

[jmj3000]

No longer searching for a replacement, as aah has said he has worked everything out.

[Uite]

My next post will probably be the big post you've all been waiting for. This is just catching up however, and I'll get started on the analysis right after this. I can already tell it's going to take several hours, so please be patient. I really hope to get it done tonight, but otherwise I'll finish it tomorrow. Of course, since I'll be on for the next couple of hours, if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask!

Also, anyone who claims that I'm lurking can suck it; I've posted on average every 24 hours. That's not lurking by any stretch if the imagination.

Anyway, on to current affairs: aaah400's long post is really bad. It's a lot of words, but he doesn't actually say anything. It's just a big pile of IoA. The fact that he concludes with a bunch of FoSes, (more than there are scum in this game!) but actually unvotes is also very bad.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

SV had no random vote, and then when called out on it random voted. When DRK questioned him about it it was all "DONT QUESTION ME"

other than that all he has done has requested prods, and said "oh lolscum" and bitched about RVS. We know he thinks aaah is scum but we have no reasoning behind it at all.

This is a good point, I think.

I HAVE mentioned my reasoning for why aaah is so very scummy; I just can't talk about it. Just because I can't point to a concrete 'thing' and say "Here you go" -- what? I have a reason, it's a

good

reason, I can't help it if y'all refuse to take the time to search aaah's posting history and find it.

[mothrax]

@RC: In the beginning yes, but as I read along and the game developed, it became less random and more gut for the reasons pointed out. What I was trying to point out to aaah was that my switch in votes was not me jumping on the wagon for wagon reasons, but consolidating votes. I had only voted once the whole game and that vote was accomplishing nothing since it was the only one on that person.

[don_johnson]

less posty, more lynchy.

i'll post more content when i have time, but for now you'll just have to trust that i'm town.

[silverbullet999]

- The Hybrid of a Demon

Replacing out is NEVER indicative of malicious intent.

You are right! Replacing out on it's own is NEVER indicative of malicious intent! I agree completely... but wait... did I say that Aaah simply replacing out is indicative of such things? The answer is no.

Top 3 reasons (imo) that people replace out
1. Not enough time
2. Not enjoying the game
3. Feeling that they aren't playing their role well

Now I said "replacement? But she didn't request replacement in my other game as of yet.... I sense evil motivations here..."
And she still has not requested replacement in said game. Thus reason number 1 is void.
There have been no indications of reason number 2 in her posts (even though you can still argue this) there is no hard evidence... thus I feel it's safe to void this as well.
This... by the amazing process of elimination leaves option 3...

I'll do you one better than an fos though.. you get the HOS... for trying to defend your buddy.

[jmj3000]

The replacement search is back on, but this time for antihero.

[silverbullet999]

[sarcasm] What antihero is replacing!? He didn't request replacement in my other... oh... damn he's not in my other games [/sarcasm]

[DemonHybrid]

I see your HoS and raise.

Vote: silverbullet999

[DemonHybrid]

Oh.

Antihero's Replacement:

You are not exempt from answering the questions in post #158.

[silverbullet999]

-The Demon that's a hybrid

I see your HoS and raise.

Vote: silverbullet999

No way I'm backin out of this.. I call

VOTE: DemonHybrid

[DemonHybrid]

You know, the fact that you put your vote on me for defending who you believe is scum without even knowing the ALIGNMENT of said defendee really says something about your scumhunting, doesn't it?

[silverbullet999]

You know, the fact that your only retort to my retort was simply voting me says something about your motivations, doesn't it?

[DemonHybrid]

You did something scummy. I FoSed you. Suspicion started.

You HoSed me for defending who you think is scum. I voted you for confirming what I FoSed you for. And then you voted me.

The BASIS of your argument against me is a fallacy; you should not know if aaah is scum at this point. Therefore, your argument against me is a fallacy, is null and void, and your vote should be on aaah.

So, please hang.

[DemonHybrid]

By the way, that's especially in lieu of the fact that the biggest wagon at the moment is on aaah.

[silverbullet999]

-Demon
Nope not quite bud.. it's your logic in question.

You HoSed me for defending who you think is scum. I voted you for confirming what I FoSed you for. And then you voted me.

I explained why I see scum motivation for replacement. I HoS you (hand of suspicion!) and you get scared and vote me in a sly poker way. I do the same.

The BASIS of your argument against me is a fallacy; you should not know if aaah is scum at this point.

The basis of my argument is that I saw scum motivation behind the replacement, you quickly misrep me stating that replacing alone does not give scum motivations... I reply and agree with what you state, and correct you by telling you what i actually said... and then you get defensive and vote me... how does any of this imply I know aaah is scum? Why are you even trying to manipulate the argument in question?

Therefore, your argument against me is a fallacy, is null and void, and your vote should be on aaah.

Let me answer this with your own post

By the way, that's especially in lieu of the fact that the biggest wagon at the moment is on aaah.

I'm in no rush to end the day... why are you?

So, please hang.

Nope, you first you scared demon you.