Mafia 125: Khan's Game of Mafia (Game Over)

[Weatherman]

Bad activity.

The only thing that really makes me nervous about you is how confident you sound.

You should try an alt too. Very refreshing, the anonymity, easier to play effective, try out stuff and not worry much about the what ifs of being wrong.

I mean, I agree that it was a good catch when Antihero voted Gorrad out of nowhere, by no means do I think that makes him obvious scum. You have to understand we have two entirely different interpretations on Dutch and, apparently, two entirely different interpretations on Antihero's post. We both think it's scummy, yes, but you have got it in your head that I'm trying to sneak a Dutch vote in out of nowhere, which is clearly not the case. I've

never

been fond of Dutch this game. On the other hand, I've had ups and downs with Antihero. And you can keep pushing me on how I'm not being reasonable or prudent, but I will not apologize for using my vote as a tool.

As I've said, I'm ready to drop the subject for now, I'll come back to this later if I see fit; the whole thing was based on the fact that in that first post, without ambigousness, you stated both that Antihero would be the best lynch and got on the Dutch wagon and without bringing up anything else on Antihero than that short line of that lynch being loveliest. Whether this means anything will depend on Stuff.

Liking KMD a bit more.

If there's nothing to gain and one isn't trolling, noone in the game of mafia lies about something verifiable. I'm certain that even if I would be tragically wrong on the Dutch one, he would have had a genuine mixup of not remembering that Gorrad was on his „questionable“ list instead of his „scummy“ list. The dealbreaker then boils down to whether it is Dutch town going „you haven't read my posts and your vote seems opportunistic after yabba; vote pf“ or Dutch scum going „OMGOMGUS“
What do you see here that I don't? What is huge there?

I'm really not sure what the first part has to do with anything.
The response to PF calling him out on the Jeeper's Creepers with that vote is the key point.
As I said earlier, when you add to that nothing (and he IS around, as can be seen by the ??? response to my saying just that before) its busted and skating, hoping the winds will blow a different way.

The first part is exactly what you call Jeeper's creepers. Come on Spy. The OMGUS.
I still don't get you from that response.
I always need to decrypt your style of speech. "Antihero wagon is fffffff" means you think it sucks?
Why?

[nocase]

chevre, i've already explained why seraphim is scum, why xtoxm is scum, and why the seraphim-xtoxm slot is scum.

[Chevre]

Then you shouldn't have any difficulty explaining it again.

[yabbaguy]

See, this is consistent with my former theory. It's still sort of that strange arguing-but-not-really-accusing relationship that's been present between nocase and Chevre the whole game.

Can I restate the question again and ask whether or not people believe it's a link?

[nocase]

i am arguing with her without accusing her because i think she is an idiotic townie. what about this is so hard for you to understand?

[Xtoxm]

@Nocase:

Will you apologise when I turn up town, or is it my fault for being too scummy? Aptly named account, by the way.

[Korlash]

My vote sticks. If anyone's replying to this- do me a favor and resist the urge to fling a wall back unless you see it as the best way to reply.

Perhaps I missed it, did you only look at one game a piece for your control groups or did you have a wider subject range?

Why can't everyone see that this is scum DGB we are dealing with?

Well it is hard to look at her for too long without getting teary eyed and nearly going blind from the pure awesomeness...

[Kmd4390]

There is nothing awesome about someone who will kill you in your sleep.

[Korlash]

Well she wouldn't kill

me

... Hell I hear in the Canadian version of the Taiwanese translated Persian dictionary, the entire definition of the word "awesome" consists of three letters. D, G, and I forget the rest but I don't speak Canadian so I'm sure I would have messed it up anyway.

[SpyreX]

The first part is exactly what you call Jeeper's creepers. Come on Spy. The OMGUS.
I still don't get you from that response.
I always need to decrypt your style of speech. "Antihero wagon is fffffff" means you think it sucks?
Why?

No, Jeeper's is reference to the jeep tells - not whatever is in the first part of your craziness there.
The reflexive vote AFTER getting called out then vanishing is the important part.

Yes. I flat don't understand the Anti wagon.

Nocase is town. Chevre on the post.

[RedCoyote]

Antihero doesn't seem to care all that much about helping the town, so I see no reason why the town should care all that much about sparing him from a lynch.

Spy, do you think Antihero is being honest about his switch to Gorrad yesterday?

[SpyreX]

That doesn't strike those murderous scum chords very well and you know it.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Gorrad

/apathy

At that point in the game? Yea, that strikes pretty true.

[RedCoyote]

In context. If he was apathetic, why would he get off the majority wagon and onto a minority wagon?

[SpyreX]

Actually, I think I know the answer.

Lets see if I'm right.

If I get some kinda crazyface rationale maybe I'll reconsider my stance here.

[Kublai Khan]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

"The more one analyses people, the more all reasons for analysis disappear. Sooner or later one comes to that dreadful universal thing called human nature."

- Oscar Wilde

Antihero

- 5 - iamausername, DrippingGoofball, Weatherman, RedCoyote, Cyberbob

Dutch one

- 3 - PokerFace, SpyreX, Chevre

SpyreX

- 2 - Korlash, Kmd4390

Chevre

- 2 - curiouskarmadog, yabbaguy

Xtoxm

- 2 - nocase, inHimshallibe

PokerFace

- 1 - Dutch one

Players not voting:

Antihero, Xtoxm

Notes/Prods

:
- Prodding Gorrad..
- Current Deadline: Seeeeecret. {There will be a 3 day warning}

[iamausername]

Post #183: Making a note to remember this. I have a feeling Antihero will contradict it later.

Players not voting:

Antihero

Hey look, I'm psychic!

[iamausername]

the majority of people (DGB)

Also gonna quote this for 'the lulz', as they say.

[yabbaguy]

- Prodding Gorrad..

@Korl: The problem is that I think I can only go chronologically backwards from these games, and the more I do that, the more the meta becomes irrelevant to present-day Antihero. I did one scum and one Town game, hence. Even if I had found more relevant meta, I probably would've just posted one Maf and one Town game anyway.

@SpyX: Mafia can be apathetic as well, or, um, can feign apathy. Yeah?

@all: Fair, I'll drop nocase off the list. I s'pose I'll aim for Antihero or Chevre today and stick with that unless someone really wants to drag an incredibly novel case out right now.

[DrippingGoofball]

@Nocase:

Will you apologise when I turn up town, or is it my fault for being too scummy? Aptly named account, by the way.

Hey where's your scum hunting?

[yabbaguy]

@Nocase:

Will you apologise when I turn up town, or is it my fault for being too scummy? Aptly named account, by the way.

Hey where's your scum hunting?

Saw this and forgot to remark on it. Yeah, that's + scumpoints.

[nocase]

@Nocase:

Will you apologise when I turn up town, or is it my fault for being too scummy? Aptly named account, by the way.

HEY, LOOK, GUYS, EVIDENCE THAT XTOXM DID NOT READ THE THREAD.

chevre wagon—wed, jan 26, 2011, 10:13 pm: seraphim, inhimshallibe, jerbs, katsuki, xalxe, cyberbob, werewolf555, drippinggoofball, farside 22. there are one or two scum on this wagon at a bear minimum.

seraphim

posts: 10
status: lurking
alignment: scum

iso. 0: "Also until nocase posts something legitimate regarding a post restriction I'm just going to ignore it wheee." perspective of a townie hunting scum plus self-conscious cautious choice not to analyze—does not compute.

iso. 1: claiming to have done the direct opposite of what he had previously implied. ". . . just going to ignore it whey" plus ". . . he didn't have a post restriction which was my suspicion all along"—does not compute.

iso. 2: states that he voted chevre because "her posting concerning nocase's 'post restriction' sat afoul." i got a similar feeling so +empathy for this post.

iso. 3: brain atrophy. the laziness with respect to chevre's iron curtain is yecch, but i might be able to live with it if not for the flagrant disregard for the remaining 99% of the game's players and events. i score this a d- for suck.

iso. 4: foses antihero after antihero calls him out. initially i respected the reasoning but looking back i can't make any sense of it whatsoever. this is the first time he has paid attention to anyone other than chevre, and he does so reactively.

iso. 5: beats the stupendously dead horse by breaking down chevre's wall into "fluff," "information," and "opinions" increments. in other words: spends what must have been a fair bit of time going through with an action that is itself information instead of analysis. the conclusion is no more than a reiteration of the overwhelming consensus.*

iso. 6: spends his longest post of the game affirming and defending his flimsy case on chevre. briefly defends gored and states a town read on him along with two others. briefly foses spyrex on account of being "a non-presence" and "incredibly indecisive" and reaffirms his antihero fos, sheeping cyberbob's argument.^†

iso. 7: appeals to the game's shepherdess.

iso. 8: lol.

iso. 9: lolol.

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* the big tell. were seraphim town he would not go out of his way to do this. first, it doesn't actually help the case against chevre as the amount of analysis in her post has already been agreed upon as minimal. second, the task may not have taken seraphim as long to complete as i suspect, but it most definitely did take a fair bit of time, and a townie would not commit that much time to an analysis (farce of an analysis, as far as i'm concerned, since the fractional breakdown of chevre's post is strictly informative rather than analytical) that only concludes with a reiteration of the consensus; this betrays a disinterest in reaching out and actually looking for scum.
^† prior to this post, seraphim had stated two foses (chevre and antihero) and zero town reads. in fact, he pretty much ignored every last player in the game barring chevre and, fleetingly, antihero. here he added another fos (spyrex) and listed three town reads (ckd, gorrad, and jerbs). total number of reads: six. total number of reads on players previously IGNORED, 100%: four.

hos: seraphim.

we lynch him after we lynch werewolf.

. . . xtoxm makes a triumphantly lackluster appearance, promises content, and then lurks. and yes, for the total morons out there, "and then lurks" entails that he has not followed up with content.

[PokerFace]

Nothing real interesting I have felt the need to comment on has happened so yay this is mainly to avoid getting prodded as I forget the last time I posted.

Still waiting for Dutch to give what reads he has today and or say if the night results effected his reads. Going Oh wow that sucked and awesome SK death did nothing but give us reactions that I think were forced. His stance on gorrad yesterday was not what I thought would lead him to voting him at the end.

Speaking of Gorrad is he rejoining the game or something? Kubla saying he is proding him is surprising. I might not iso the mod because well he isn't a player so I don't see the need, but yabba and korlash have been nice enough to point some rules out to me.

Interesting thought. Of the cases out there which ones don't rely on meta? I prefer not to use meta as games and situations change often. Other than that I still think anti, dutch, chevre, ????+ sounds plausible. If deadline comes swift I'll join the antihero wagon though I'd like to re-read the case there one more time. I'll likly iso iamusername in order to get the antihero case figured out

"Yawn" see you guys later

Edit while pre-viewing: I see nocase is posting via pre-view. Looks interesting so I'll likly read that and the antihero stuff before I get back to you guys

[nocase]

yeah enjoy reading something i posted 5 months ago.

[SpyreX]

@SpyX: Mafia can be apathetic as well, or, um, can feign apathy. Yeah?

Yea.

But they don't announce it on a jump like that.

This game is wedged between two locked games in my bookmarks. Thats not a good sign.

[RedCoyote]

nocase, can't we do a bargain here? Antihero then Xtoxm (with a contingency for anything relatively unusual that may or may not take place in the interim)? username's last post was on the money.