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Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:35 am

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Vote Count 3.1 - As of Post 1350

Untrod Tripod (0) -
Mariyta (0) -
AlmasterGM (0) -
Spyrex (0) -
GreyICE (3) - AlmasterGM, Mariyta, Untrod Tripod
UncertainKitten (0) -
Mina (0) -
GhostWriter (0) -

Not Voting (5) - Spyrex, GreyICE, Uncertain Kitten, Mina, GhostWriter

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Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:43 am

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Right now, I'm running in circles and second-guessing just about every read I have in the game. I almost want to flip my town and scum lists upside down.

Either way, Mariyta's summary makes it pretty obvious that names are related to powers but completely unrelated to alignment (good Sylvia and evil Gregoire, but a good Henri and Jean-Francois?).
UncertainKitten wrote:@Mina: Why? It's important we determine how we're doing this, because OTHERWISE WE END UP IN A PRISONER'S DILEMMA!
Yes, we should determine how we're doing this...quietly. Where AGM can't hear us just yet. Do you catch my drift?

So AGM's claim is plausible, although it doesn't fit the pattern of the other roles. There are still too many good roles, though. A BP/governor, a jailkeeper/redirector, a one-shot vig/tracker (which would have been super powerful)....Maybe the miller was thrown in just to add a mislynch, though. And I'll admit that if AGM is town (as opposed to third-party), then BP scum makes a lot of sense in this setting.

AGM, question. Why weren't you immediately suspicious of CD when he claimed one-shot dayvig?

Also, did Zang post any reads in the QT?

I keep on rewriting this paragaph on GreyICE, because I'm really torn on him now. I don't think the slip was actually a slip. GreyICE got all surprised when AGM said he targeted SC with something, started spinning weird conspiracy theories about multiple roles, and then asked Zang, "Did AGM claim vig? Don't say anything if he claimed another role." It would have been FANTASTIC if he'd made a casual reference to AGM's vig failing before the latter's claim, but unfortunately, the evidence is more ambiguous.

That said, his total paranoia about AGM being a SK before AGM actually came forward as vig is just a weird as fuck. I also hate his play today, particularly with the AtE about the SK being on his wagon and all the :roll: smileys. I guess it's possible Zang was lurking and ignoring Grey's advice in the scum QT to come forward with AGM's vig claim, and then GI might have tried to "naturally" suggest the idea of AGM being SK in the thread. And his explanations of his thought process behind his AGM-is-an-SK theory have all struck me as slightly off.

But...goddamn. GI seemed really sincere to me before. And some of his theorizing sounds like genuine town confusion.

I've lost all my certainty in this game.

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I just wasted an inordinate amount of time copy-pastaing vote counts and formatting them with pretty colours. I usually don't vote count analysis, but since there have been so many wagons on flipped players, I thought it might be informative. I'm omitting all the zero votes to make this readable.

So far, this is just raw data. If anyone is good at this stuff, feel free to use this as a reference for your own analysis. I'm putting AGM as brown because he's almost certainly not Mafia.

Spoiler: Day One Vote Counts
Vote Count 1.1 - As of Post 25

Mariyta (2) -
Katsuki
,
AlmasterGM

Katsuki (1) -
CooLDoG

Reckamonic
(1) - AKnottedRope

Not Voting (9) -
Zang
, Untrod Tripod, Mariyta,
Reckamonic
, StrangerCoug, UncertainKitten, Mina,
havingfitz
, Ghostwriter

Vote Count 1.2 - As of Post 63

Untrod Tripod (1) -
havingfitz

Mariyta (2) -
Katsuki
,
AlmasterGM

Katsuki
(5) -
CooLDoG
,
Zang
, StrangerCoug, Untrod Tripod, GhostWriter
Reckamonic
(1) - AKnottedRope
StrangerCoug (1) - UncertainKitten
AKnottedRope (1) - Mariyta

Not Voting (2) -
Reckamonic
, Mina

Vote Count 1.3 - As of Post 100

Untrod Tripod (1) - UncertainKitten
Mariyta (3) -
Katsuki
,
AlmasterGM
,
havingfitz

Katsuki
(4) -
CooLDoG
,
Zang
, Untrod Tripod, GhostWriter
Reckamonic
(2) - AKnottedRope, StrangerCoug
AKnottedRope (1) - Mariyta
GhostWriter (1) - Mina

Not Voting (1) -
Reckamonic

Vote Count 1.4 - As of Post 125

Untrod Tripod (1) - UncertainKitten
Mariyta (2) -
AlmasterGM
,
havingfitz

Katsuki
(2) - Untrod Tripod, GhostWriter
Reckamonic
(3) - StrangerCoug,
Zang
,
CooLDoG

AKnottedRope (1) - Mariyta
CoolDoG
(2) - AKnottedRope,
Reckamonic

GhostWriter (2) - Mina,
Katsuki


Not Voting (0) - No one

Vote Count 1.5 - As of Post 176

Untrod Tripod (2) - UncertainKitten, Mariyta
Mariyta (2) -
AlmasterGM
,
havingfitz

Katsuki
(2) - Untrod Tripod, GhostWriter
Reckamonic
(3) - StrangerCoug,
Zang
,
CooLDoG

CoolDoG
(2) - AKnottedRope,
Reckamonic

GhostWriter (2) - Mina,
Katsuki

Not Voting (0) - No one
Vote Count 1.6 - As of Post 225

Untrod Tripod (2) - UncertainKitten, Mariyta
Mariyta (1) -
havingfitz

Katsuki
(2) - Untrod Tripod, GhostWriter
LynchMePls
(3) - StrangerCoug,
Zang
,
CooLDoG

StrangerCoug (1) -
AlmasterGM

AKnottedRope (1) -
LynchMePls

CoolDoG
(1) - AKnottedRope
GhostWriter (2) - Mina,
Katsuki


Not Voting (0) - No one

Vote Count 1.7 - As of Post 264

Untrod Tripod (2) - UncertainKitten, Mariyta
Katsuki (1) - Untrod Tripod
LynchMePls
(4) - StrangerCoug,
Zang
,
CooLDoG
,
havingfitz

StrangerCoug (1) -
AlmasterGM

AKnottedRope (1) -
LynchMePls

CoolDoG
(1) - AKnottedRope
havingfitz
(1) - GhostWriter
GhostWriter (2) - Mina,
Katsuki


Not Voting (0) - No one

Vote Count 1.8 - As of Post 275

Untrod Tripod (2) - UncertainKitten, Mariyta
AlmasterGM
(1) - StrangerCoug
Katsuki
(1) - Untrod Tripod
LynchMePls
(3) -
Zang
,
CooLDoG
,
havingfitz

AKnottedRope (1) -
LynchMePls

CoolDoG
(3) - AKnottedRope,
AlmasterGM
, GhostWriter
GhostWriter (2) - Mina,
Katsuki


Not Voting (0) - No one

Vote Count 1.9 - As of Post 304

Untrod Tripod (1) - UncertainKitten
AlmasterGM
(1) - StrangerCoug
Katsuki
(1) - Untrod Tripod
LynchMePls
(3) -
Zang
,
CooLDoG
,
havingfitz

AKnottedRope (1) -
LynchMePls

CooLDoG
(4) - AKnottedRope,
AlmasterGM
, GhostWriter, Mariyta
GhostWriter (2) - Mina,
Katsuki

Vote Count 1.10 - As of Post 325

AlmasterGM
(3) - StrangerCoug, UncertainKitten, AKnottedRope
Katsuki
(1) - Untrod Tripod
LynchMePls
(3) -
Zang
,
CooLDoG
,
havingfitz

AKnottedRope (1) -
LynchMePls

CooLDoG
(3) -
AlmasterGM
, GhostWriter, Mariyta
GhostWriter (2) - Mina,
Katsuki


Not Voting (0) - No one

Vote Count 1.11 - As of Post 375

Mariyta (1) -
Zang

AlmasterGM
(4) - StrangerCoug, UncertainKitten, AKnottedRope,
Katsuki

Katsuki
(1) - Untrod Tripod
LynchMePls
(2) -
CooLDoG
,
havingfitz

AKnottedRope (2) -
LynchMePls
,
AlmasterGM

CooLDoG
(2) -GhostWriter, Mariyta
GhostWriter (1) - Mina

Not Voting (0) - No one

Vote Count 1.12 - As of Post 425

Zang
(3) - Untrod Tripod, Mina, Mariyta
Mariyta (1) -
Zang

AlmasterGM
(4) - StrangerCoug, UncertainKitten, AKnottedRope,
Katsuki

LynchMePls
(2) -
CooLDoG
,
havingfitz

AKnottedRope (2) -
LynchMePls
,
AlmasterGM

CooLDoG
(1) - GhostWriter

Not Voting (0) - No one

Vote Count 1.13 - As of Post 453

Zang
(4) - Untrod Tripod, Mina, Mariyta, StrangerCoug
Mariyta (1) -
Zang

AlmasterGM
(3) - UncertainKitten, AKnottedRope,
Katsuki

LynchMePls
(1) -
CooLDoG

AKnottedRope (2) -
LynchMePls
,
AlmasterGM

CooLDoG
(1) - GhostWriter

Not Voting (1) -
havingfitz

Vote Count 1.14 - As of Post 477

Zang
(3) - Mina, Mariyta, StrangerCoug
Mariyta (1) -
Zang

AlmasterGM
(2) - AKnottedRope,
Katsuki

LynchMePls
(1) -
CooLDoG

StrangerCoug (3) - UncertainKitten, AlmasterGM, Untrod Tripod
AKnottedRope (1) -
LynchMePls

CooLDoG
(1) - GhostWriter

Not Voting (1) -
havingfitz

Vote Count 1.15 - As of Post 504

Zang
(2) - Mina, StrangerCoug
Mariyta (1) -
Zang

AlmasterGM
(2) - AKnottedRope,
Katsuki

LynchMePls
(1) -
CooLDoG

StrangerCoug (3) - UncertainKitten,
AlmasterGM
, Untrod Tripod
AKnottedRope (1) -
LynchMePls

CooLDoG
(1) - GhostWriter
UncertainKitten (1) -
havingfitz


Not Voting (1) - Mariyta

Vote Count 1.16 - As of Post 533

Zang
(2) - Mina, StrangerCoug
Untrod Tripod (1) - Mariyta
Mariyta (1) -
Zang

AlmasterGM
(2) - AKnottedRope,
Katsuki

LynchMePls
(1) -
CooLDoG

StrangerCoug (3) - UncertainKitten,
AlmasterGM
, Untrod Tripod
AKnottedRope (1) -
LynchMePls

CooLDoG
(1) - GhostWriter
UncertainKitten (1) -
havingfitz


Not Voting (0) -
Vote Count 1.17 - As of Post 584

Zang
(1) - StrangerCoug
Untrod Tripod (1) - Mariyta
Mariyta (1) -
Zang

AlmasterGM
(1) - AKnottedRope
StrangerCoug (4) - UncertainKitten,
AlmasterGM
, Untrod Tripod,
CooLDoG

CooLDoG
(2) - GhostWriter,
LynchMePls

UncertainKitten (2) -
havingfitz
,
Katsuki


Not Voting (1) - Mina

Vote Count 1.18 - As of Post 620

Untrod Tripod (1) - Mariyta
Mariyta (1) -
Zang

AlmasterGM (1) - AKnottedRope
Katsuki
(1) - Mina
StrangerCoug (3) - UncertainKitten,
AlmasterGM
,
CooLDoG

CooLDoG
(4) - GhostWriter,
LynchMePls
, Untrod Tripod, StrangerCoug
UncertainKitten (2) -
havingfitz
,
Katsuki


Not Voting (0) -

Vote Count 1.19 - As of Post 806

Untrod Tripod (2) - Mariyta,
CooLDoG

Mariyta (1) -
Zang

Katsuki
(5) - Mina, GhostWriter, StrangerCoug, Untrod Tripod,
AlmasterGM

StrangerCoug (1) - UncertainKitten
CooLDoG
(1) -
LynchMePls

UncertainKitten (2) -
havingfitz
,
Katsuki


Not Voting (1) - GreyIce
Vote Count 1.20 - As of Post 826

Untrod Tripod (2) - Mariyta,
CooLDoG

Katsuki
(6) - Mina, GhostWriter, StrangerCoug, Untrod Tripod,
AlmasterGM
, GreyICE
StrangerCoug (2) - UncertainKitten,
Zang

CooLDoG
(1) -
LynchMePls

UncertainKitten (2) -
havingfitz
,
Katsuki


Not Voting (0) - GreyIce
Vote Count 1.21 - As of Post 869

Untrod Tripod (2) - Mariyta,
CooLDoG

Katsuki
(5) - Mina, GhostWriter, StrangerCoug,
AlmasterGM
, GreyICE
StrangerCoug (2) - UncertainKitten,
Zang

CooLDoG
(1) -
LynchMePls

UncertainKitten (1) -
Katsuki


Not Voting (1) - Untrod Tripod
Vote Count 1.22 - As of Post 933

Untrod Tripod (1) - Mariyta
Katsuki
(6) - Mina, StrangerCoug,
AlmasterGM
, GreyICE,
CooLDoG
,
Zang

StrangerCoug (1) - UncertainKitten
UncertainKitten (2) -
Katsuki
,
LynchMePls


Not Voting (2) - Untrod Tripod, GhostWriter

Final Vote Count of Day 1 - Lynch occurred as of Post 946

Untrod Tripod (1) - Mariyta
Katsuki
(LYNCHED) - Mina, StrangerCoug,
AlmasterGM
, GreyICE,
CooLDoG
,
Zang
, Untrod Tripod
StrangerCoug (1) - UncertainKitten
UncertainKitten (2) -
Katsuki
,
LynchMePls


Not Voting (1) - GhostWriter

Spoiler: Day Two Vote Counts
Vote Count 2.0 - as of Post 975

Untrod Tripod (2) - Mariyta, GreyICE
UncertainKitten (1) -
LynchMePls


Not Voting (8) - Zang, Untrod Tripod,
AlmasterGM
, StrangerCoug,
CooLDoG
, UncertainKitten, Mina, GhostWriter

Vote Count 2.1 - as of Post 1018

Zang
(1) - StrangerCoug
Untrod Tripod (4) - Mariyta, GreyICE,
LynchMePls
,
CooLDoG


Not Voting (6) -
Zang
, Untrod Tripod,
AlmasterGM
, UncertainKitten, Mina, GhostWriter
Vote Count 2.2 - as of Post 1059

Zang
(1) - StrangerCoug
Untrod Tripod (4) - Mariyta, GreyICE,
LynchMePls
,
CooLDoG

StrangerCoug (1) -
Zang


Not Voting (5) - Untrod Tripod,
AlmasterGM
, UncertainKitten, Mina, GhostWriter

Vote Count 2.3 - as of Post 1100

Zang
(3) - StrangerCoug,
CooLDoG
, UncertainKitten
Untrod Tripod (3) - Mariyta, GreyICE,
LynchMePls

StrangerCoug (1) -
Zang


Not Voting (4) - Untrod Tripod,
AlmasterGM
, Mina, GhostWriter

Vote Count 2.4 - as of Post 1130

Zang
(4) - StrangerCoug,
CooLDoG
, Mariyta,
LynchMePls

Untrod Tripod (1) - GreyICE
LynchMePls
(1) - UncertainKitten
StrangerCoug (1) -
Zang


Not Voting (4) - Untrod Tripod,
AlmasterGM
, Mina, GhostWriter

Vote Count 2.5 - as of Post 1175

Zang
(3) - StrangerCoug,
CooLDoG
,
LynchMePls

Untrod Tripod (2) -
GreyICE
, Mariyta
LynchMePls
(1) - UncertainKitten
StrangerCoug (1) -
Zang

GreyICE (1) -
AlmasterGM


Not Voting (3) - Untrod Tripod, Mina, GhostWriter

Vote Count 2.6 - as of Post 1225

Zang
(3) - StrangerCoug,
CooLDoG
,
LynchMePls

Untrod Tripod (2) - GreyICE, Mariyta
LynchMePls
(1) - UncertainKitten
StrangerCoug (1) -
Zang

GreyICE (1) -
AlmasterGM


Not Voting (3) - Untrod Tripod, Mina, GhostWriter


Vote Count 2.7 - as of Post 1254

Zang
(4) - StrangerCoug,
CooLDoG
,
LynchMePls
, Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod (2) - GreyICE, Mariyta
LynchMePls (1) - UncertainKitten
StrangerCoug (1) -
Zang

GreyICE (1) -
AlmasterGM


Not Voting (2) - Mina, GhostWriter

Final Vote Count of Day 2 - Lynch occurred as of Post 1281

Zang
(LYNCHED) - StrangerCoug,
CooLDoG
,
LynchMePls
, Untrod Tripod, Mariyta, GreyICE
LynchMePls (1) - UncertainKitten
StrangerCoug (1) - Zang
GreyICE (1) -
AlmasterGM


Not Voting (2) - Mina, GhostWriter

Next step is to draw conclusions from all this (will save it for another post). However, all in all, this was probably a waste of time, and is making me go around in circles and doubt my reads. ("Oh no! Would Zang leaving his vote on Mariyta all day because they're
not
scumbuddies, or as distancing? Would StrangerCoug and Zang both pile up on LMP at once?") I wish I could borrow our mod's brain for this. GreyICE and UncertainKitten both look worse based purely on votes as opposed to behaviour, though.
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Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:45 am

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OF course, you may be able to break this wide open if you went off the cuff and didn't protect CD N1
Straightforward with the total lack of kills. Which means we're still missing one.
@SpyreX: Why do you believe him? Secondly, didn't we figure that AGM got attacked for some reason?
Because the modifications a.) make sense to lie about and b.) fit much better now with everything else. It makes sense.

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I'll deal with UT in a bit. I'm absolutely down with the GI lynch AND on a scum flip there if you've really got to get the druthers a tither shoot me. If you want to line this up all nice nice shoot Mari.

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Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:51 am

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Mina wrote:So AGM's claim is plausible, although it doesn't fit the pattern of the other roles.
…What? It fits perfectly. It's a hybrid role, just like Katsuki, CooLDoG Zang.
Mina wrote:AGM, question. Why weren't you immediately suspicious of CD when he claimed one-shot dayvig?
Because I was every-other-day Vig and one-shot Vig is confirmable, so I saw no reason to raise a scene.
Mina wrote:Also, did Zang post any reads in the QT?
No, he was useless as hell. The entire QT is literally just me yelling, "POST" or "DO THIS" or "DON'T DO THAT"
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Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:51 am

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OMG OMG OMG!

AlmasterGM. Important question for you.

Exactly when did you claim vigilante in the QT?

I literally want the exact date.

(Also, just realized that on D2, I coloured Zang as green once and forgot to colour him a few other times. But meh, I doubt D2 tells us anything useful when Zang was already outed.)
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Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:58 am

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AGM? Correct me if I'm wrong. You can doctor-protect on odd nights and vig-kill on even nights, right?
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Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:12 am

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@Mina: here's the exact line of reasoning. He targets SC with something. I've been shocked about the no SK since I read the BP and we had no NKs - it is just too much.

Roleblocker/JK
- yeaaahhhh.

Tracker
- See CooLDoG. Two tracker setups are possible, but AGM didn't react like he got his role claimed Day 1, he acted like he thought the claim was kinda horseshit, and backed down somewhat. Weird behavior.

Cop
- Okay, so this was my first instinct. But if I'm a cop, I would claim Vanilla to my neighbor until I'd cop confirmed them. It just seemed so unlikely that AGM claimed cop to ZANG of all people, in a neighbor thread, day 1, when shooting cops is like scumplay 101, and Zang was fucking Zang.

Vig
- okay, so we're narrowing it down to vig. That leaves a lot on it being a killing power. Now why serial killer?

First, I stand by this - his play has been off all game. He's been asking me to buy stuff that doesn't make any sense. And why the neighbor claim to 'clear' Zang? And why did he drop it day 2? And why did he back down when it looked like Zang might come into the thread and claim his role? Certainly if Zang was scum, he knew the scum knew.

So points:
1) I was 80% or so on him being a vig power, because none of the other options made sense to me.
2) He cleared Zang and then launched into him day 1, to lynch him, then backed down when it looked like his role might get outed.
3) I am certain his play was off.

Okay, so 2+2. No one seemed overly impressed with the role PM stuff, so it wasn't something like "the mod sent us both identical 'town' PMs at 7:43" or some shit like that. So it really wasn't convincing enough to derail the wagon, imho. Not on ZANG. So either he out thought himself (to be fair, happens all the time), or...

Why not lynch Zang?
1) He's scum and Zang is town, so it would make him look bad to lynch the town roleblocker - possible. But... Zang. Come on, yeah.
2) He wants Zang alive.

Why not lynch scum on D1? Because that's a damn problem for the scumteam. That's why. Leads to all sorts of connections being drawn, hell, scum lose their RB, that's a great thing to have happen day 1, for town. Now, lets say AGM manages to play really town, and ALSO gets town lynched day 1? Day 2, start a Zang case. Now Zang gets lynched, but first, AGM gets the credit for lynching scum. And second, there is, by the time day 3 rolls around, 5 dead townies and 1 dead scum! Leaving, by my count, a situation he could pass off as 5:2 with him leading the one scum wagon. Get another scum wagon day 3 (which he can participate in), and you have 3:1. He claims vig, the only people left alive are people he thinks are really townie, and he can say "oh, we have 2 shots - lynching and vigging." Bam! Serial Killer win.

Sure, power roles could fuck with this, but you know what fucks with it more? Lynching scum day 1, then having someone come forward day 2 with PR evidence on scum 2, then having scum 3 lynched on day 3, and everyone going "oh... fucking serial killer."

And remember, he can shoot scum to even the odds if we're lynching too many townies. It's ridiculous for him to let us lynch scum day 1 as the serial killer, if he can prevent it.

Being JKed must have thrown a spanner in the works, and then Zang knew he was Vig and there was a wagon on him. AGM backed off the wagon as soon as the vig thing looked like it might be outed. Probably planned to "vig" Zang N2 if we lynched a townie, and then he could be safe as houses from the people he was scared of adding 2+2.

Tenuous? Not really. I thought there was a decent chance of it being bullshit - but I was getting so sure of Zang scum, I was fairly certain if he WAS the vig, there's no way that scum didn't know. I just needed to get some sort of reaction.

Raw bloody panicky lashing out was about what I expected of him as the SK.
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Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:12 am

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GreyICE wrote:Mariyta, we're in fucking bastard mod flavor. The main villain just flipped Town, the main hero just flipped scum. Does it make sense from that perspective to make his sidekick the serial killer? No, but how does any flavor make sense right now?
First, it's not "bastard mod." Bastard mods are fucked up games that I hate. This mod appears to have taken the flavor and made it so a name claim won't break the game. That's not bastard modding. Second, Mina asked about the flavor, so I gave what I knew. Third, I'm not saying I'm 100% sure that AGM is what he says he is. But it makes sense as far as the flavor goes. And the flavor hasn't been completely off. Kats was Sylvia, who was a poisoner. LMP was Sardis, who was a bad guy who wasn't the main bad guy and made sense as miller.

If GI flips scum, I'm willing to bet his buddy is somewhere in #1342.

GI, the only reason we didn't lynch Zang sooner is because AGM claimed him as neighbor. Zang would have been dead D1 if AGM hadn't defended him.

From those VCs, the only vote Zang appears to have placed that had any of his own thought in it was on me. He was the first on the LMP wagon, but I doubt he was the first to express suspicion. Same with the SC vote on D2. He picked the target he thought we be the most likely to be lynched and went with it.

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Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:17 am

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I claimed Vig on the 24th of January. Zang responded to my claim (and I confirmed it) on the 26th.

Also, I am summarizing the entire QT below, for your convinence and analysis purposes (it actually might be useful). Any bolding is mine.

ME: *pleasantries*
ZANG: *pleasnatries*
ME: Claim pl0x
ME: P.S. DON'T LURK. I think neighbors = we are both town.
ZANG: I'm going to lurk. I'm not claiming bc you aren't confirmed town.
ME: Is SC scum?
ME: If I survive today I will Vig
ZANG: I didn't know we could daytalk. I don't want to vote SC; Vig him instead.
ME: *confirm I'm Vig*
ME: I'd rather shoot a lurker; lets lynch him
ME: I have a badass plan we can use tonight
ZANG: Vig Katsuki or AKR
(this is important because it tell us who Zang wanted me to Vig

ME: Let's lynch AKR instead
ZANG: Lurking isn't scummy
(lol)

ME: You are going to die. Claim so I can decide whether to try and save you.
ZANG: Roleblocker claim.
ME: Smells scummy. Fullclaim plz.
ZANG: No other abilities. I am town.
ME: *long series of me deliberating in the thread, and then deciding Zang is likely town*
(whoosh)

ZANG: Irrelevant banter
ME: I'm vigging SC tonight
POSION/NIGHT HITS
ZANG: *asks me what my master plan was. I don't respond*
ME: I was poisoned, fuck it. Who did you roleblock?
ZANG: Mariyta.
ME: *hot tech plan to lynch Mariyta*
ZANG: *asks if I have other abiliites*
ME: LOL I HAVE SOOO MANY POWERZ MUAHAHAHAH
ME: Wait, Katsuki flipped Jailkeeper, which means two town RBs. FISHY. PLUS NK WHEN YOU KNEW I WAS VIG? DIEDIEDIEDIE.
ZANG: /dodge and WIFOM
ME: DIE
ZANG: more wife. Im gonna claim
ME: STFU I'm interrogating GreyICE
ZANG: *ignores my request and claims anyway*
(oh look at that, more connections between these two scumbags).

ME: FFFFFUUU
ZANG: lol I RB'd Mariyta because you said you were vigging SC
ME: HMMM HMM TRUE

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Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:17 am

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Also, I edited out a lot of the pointless posts where it was just me raging.
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Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:21 am

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This doctor stuff is such obvious horseshit too. Everyone so far gets 1-shots (well, except maybe Katsuki, but hers read VERY one shot to me) and he gets an alternating? In town? Funny setup indeed.

Probably he can do an alternating night commuter or some shit to become investigation immune and bulletproof. I saw that one on MTGS somewhere, forget the game. Tomorrow it's all like "Oh, I doctored UK because she's obvtown and look she wasn't the night kill, dear me, couldn't outguess the scum, herp derp."

Or much more likely if town gets lynched, there's another town corpse, and it's "2:2:1, can't lynch the fucking Serial Killer now, can you?"

I agree with SpireX and UK: We need to lynch scum today. I stand by one of UT and Mariyta being scum - the wagon was just too fast, town does NOT have people chucking their votes around like that. Now, I'm going to FNM, be back around 11 to do a reread.
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Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:24 am

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ME: I'm vigging SC tonight
POSION/NIGHT HITS
ZANG: *asks me what my master plan was. I don't respond*
ME: I was poisoned, fuck it. Who did you roleblock?
ZANG: Mariyta.
@AGM
1. Did you get some kind of mod note saying you were poisoned?
2. Would it not be reasonable to assume that Zang RB'd you last night if you didn't get poisoned?
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Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:52 am

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AGM, again, you can doctor-protect on odd nights and vig on even?

And fuck. This is annoying. I have two theories which both lead to the EXACT OPPOSITE conclusions.

My theory was that the scumteam would start pushing you once they suspected you were a SK. And guess what? I checked, and the first vote on you was SC's on Wednesday, January 26th. The wagon snowballled by Thursday.

But then I realized that on the contrary, were I a scum neighbour with a player who claimed vigilante, I'd assume he was telling the truth. So scum would have probably been hesitant to wagon you, since they'd know your role was provable anyway and you'd wriggle out of a lynch. And who would want to provoke a vig? It wouldn't be until CooLDoG's claim that they might suspect you were a SK. (Amusingly, that would make my guess of T vs. T, T and probably T accurate. :P)

And of course, Zang might have not even posted your role in the scum QT, or there might not be daytalk, or the players wouldn't have been logical enough to care, and with a RB to make you look like a liar, this would all be null, anyway.

Never mind Zang claiming to have roleblocked Mariyta over you. Were he really a SK, he probably wouldn't have. And of course, if she was really roleblocked, that would be a sign SpyreX is town, because I'd doubt he'd guess you'd really roleblocked...aah, WIFOM.
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Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:00 pm

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Mina wrote:AGM, again, you can doctor-protect on odd nights and vig on even?
It isn't an "odd/even" thing, it's an every-other night thing. In other words, I can't use the same ability on consecutive nights. I can alternate doctor/kill/doctor/kill or kill/doctor/kill/doctor or kill/nothing/kill/doctor. Whatever I want, so long as I don't use the same action twice in a row without a break.
UT wrote:1. Did you get some kind of mod note saying you were poisoned?
Yes, I got a note from MoI saying that I had been poisoned. There was included flavor. He said I couldn't post in the thread, the QT, or submit any actions until D2.
UT wrote:2. Would it not be reasonable to assume that Zang RB'd you last night if you didn't get poisoned?
That would be very reasonable, but MoI specified that I had been poisoned, so I know it wasn't Zang.
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Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:01 pm

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HAHAHAHA

HAHAHA

SEVEN MINUTES UNTIL DRAFT STARTS, SEVEN MINUTES AND I KNOW THE TO? OH LOOK, I CAN BORROW HIS COMPUTER FOR A MINUTE!

HIS CLAIM IS SUCH HORSESHIT. LOOK AT IT. HE'S THE ODD NIGHT DOCTOR? SO HE WAS GOING TO FUCKING
DOCTOR STRANGERCOUG
?

LOL

LOL


LOL


OH MAN, VINDICATION IS MINE. YES AGM. I SUSSED YOU OUT. NO QUICKTOPIC, NO ZANG TO 'HELP MY REASONING,' NO FUCKING MIRACLES. JUST ME, MY BRAIN, VERSUS YOU AND YOUR "AWESOME TOWN GAME." THIS WAS GOING TO BE YOUR AWESOME GAME ALRIGHT, WASN'T IT? ALMASTERGM FUCKING FOOLS EVERYONE AND RUNS AWAY WITH A SERIAL KILLER VICTORY. NO TEAM, NO HELP, JUST YOUR POWERS AND YOUR BRAIN. NICE BRAIN, AGM. NICE FAKECLAIM. ALTERNATING, ALRIGHT. "YOU MAY CHOOSE TO BECOME IMMUNE TO INVESTIGATIONS AND NIGHT KILLS. IF YOU DO SO YOU CANNOT SUBMIT A KILL THIS NIGHT. YOU MAY NOT DO THIS ON ALTERNATING NIGHTS." THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT AGM? HUH? DECENT PARAPHRASING OF YOUR PM?

WE GOT FUCKING SCUM AND THE FUCKING SERIAL KILLER DAY 2! YES! YES!

OKAY. NOW.

MARIYTA

VS.
UNCERTAIN TRIPOD


ONE OF THESE IS SCUM. DON'T THINK BOTH UNLESS THE SCUMTEAM HAS ROCKS FOR BRAINS.

HAHAHA!

GOING TO DRAFT MBS. MINA, UK, I WILL GIVE YOU THREE COOKIES EACH IF YOU TELL ME WHO IS SCUM IN THIS BY THE TIME I'M DONE.

LETS FUCKING GET THIS THING!
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Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:04 pm

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Mina wrote:But then I realized that on the contrary, were I a scum neighbour with a player who claimed vigilante, I'd assume he was telling the truth. So scum would have probably been hesitant to wagon you, since they'd know your role was provable anyway and you'd wriggle out of a lynch. And who would want to provoke a vig? It wouldn't be until CooLDoG's claim that they might suspect you were a SK. (Amusingly, that would make my guess of T vs. T, T and probably T accurate. )
This is exactly what I'm talking about with regards to GreyICE. His sudden arrival at the conclusion that I was Vig --> SK makes a LOT more sense from a scum perspective than a town one.

As far as me actually being SK goes, I am not. However, let's suppose for a second that I am, just to humor the situation. 1) Since I am alternating killer, I am not an immediate threat. 2) I can choose not to kill, which I will do if everyone wants. 3) I have an ability that can help the town (doctor). 4) When the (probable) three scum are dead, town will win and you will see I was right. If for some reason game is not over, bam you know where to look right away.

GreyICE's "omg AGM lynch neeeeeded soooooon" rhetoric is designed to buy more time for the scum. They are already down because of Katsuki's poisoning - let's not spoil that advantage by lynching me.
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Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:06 pm

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GreyICE, what the FUCK are you even talking about.

i wasn't going to doctor SC, I was going to Vig him. But then I got roleblocked. SO I DIDN'T. Why does that NOT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

Also, please go ahead and post in MOAR CAPS SO YOU LOOK EVEN MOAR DESPERATE.
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Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:19 pm

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I think some people have gotten confused over whether you're even/odd or "every other night." If you're even/odd, then you'd have to have doced on N1. But if you're every other night, I'm assuming you could choose whether to vig or doc last night, which would then lock you in for the rest of the game. Am I correct?

Eagerly awaiting GreyICE's case on me. I hope he goes to the QT and gets Zang's suspicions too, since I never got a case then, either.
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Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:21 pm

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Thats some serious timecube bidness up there.

AGM IF YOU GET ANOTHER SHOT THERE IS A MYSTERY IN THE VC. I KNOW YOU CAN FIND IT.

Mina's either got balls of steel or is town, thats nice.

I'm down with the abject murder death of GI

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Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:28 pm

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GreyICE wrote:
MARIYTA

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Just noticed this (well, didn't just notice the whole thing, but just noticed the underlined part. You basically listed two people there.
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Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:29 pm

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Mariyta wrote:I think some people have gotten confused over whether you're even/odd or "every other night." If you're even/odd, then you'd have to have doced on N1. But if you're every other night, I'm assuming you could choose whether to vig or doc last night, which would then lock you in for the rest of the game. Am I correct?

Eagerly awaiting GreyICE's case on me. I hope he goes to the QT and gets Zang's suspicions too, since I never got a case then, either.
The latter, yes. I chose to Vig last night, which essentially locked me in for the rest of the game (I could technically switch it up by submitting no action for a night, but there doesn't seem to be much point in that).
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Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:19 pm

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unvote GI

Need to revisit this when I have time. Unvoting for now
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Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:50 pm

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Dammit.
unvote GreyICE


For the record the first unvote was acceptable. You clearly identified a player in the game who you were currently voting for.
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Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:49 pm

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Uh...uncertain tripod? What? I'm kinda insulted GI.

Hi UT. Good job unvoting your scumbuddy.

K, UT's post was all I needed. GI and UT are our targets.
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Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:50 pm

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Anyway, he's at L-2 right now, so I won't put him at L-1 yet.
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