Mini 1123 - The Walking Dead - Game Over

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Oh my god! You suck.

Vote: Jack

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Pssh, chesskid isn't that terrible. There's a few people I'll policy lynch, but most of them are named Zang at this point (though if I ever see Alan.Two again I'm going full fury).

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Eh, I'm gonna straight up disagree with you, but you haven't had to deal with the Zang.

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Ooh, someone just picked the top name on the list, and posted it. Does Starbuck just want to fit in with the town without making waves?

Unvote

Vote: Starbuck

[GreyICE]

Fail wagon is fail.

Vote: Internet Stranger

Lets face it, he's always scum.

[GreyICE]

[Redacted - Ongoing game]

[GreyICE]

Both of us are dead in that game, you can find it in my wiki.

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Ugh, this is like the most civil laid back RVS ever. I just can't work up any desire to lynch any of you, and I think Jack just apologized, or at least clarified.

Unvote

Vote: No Lynch

Lets face it, we're all a bunch of hippies. Come join the No Lynch wagon.

[GreyICE]

Aww, don't be mean to Amrun, amrun is new. We're living in the Age of Aquarius here, chess! Roll with the flow.

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Joooiiiiinnnn us Ender, jooooooooiiiiinnnnnn usssssssssssssss

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I don't understand how this plan of yours is going to work. >_>
Scum aren't stupid enough to go OMG YOU VOTED NO LYNCH RAHHHHHHHHH U SCUM BRO?????

Oh chesskid, never underestimate the power of moving people way outside their comfort zone

Unvote

Vote: Ender

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VOTE: Fate

Pushing for a lynch this early into a game is very scum-like.

See, I know Fate. If he's pushing a lynch this early in the game, there's two reasons.

1) He's town, and thinks the lynch is scum.
2) He's scum, and knows the lynch is scum and is bussing.

Were Fate to get Mafia Role PMs a tad more often, he'd have to change his avatar to this:

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Cute pic.

Someone put Ender at L-1.

I can't, I'm not a doublevoter

[GreyICE]

It isn't? Then i'm not sure what to say maybe the moderator spelt a name wrong.

...

Okay, he's just roleclaiming Jester at this point, whatever the flip says.

[GreyICE]

Okay, he's just roleclaiming Jester at this point, whatever the flip says.

[GreyICE]

Holy thead explosion Batman! I look away for an hour and three pages get tacked on.

Anyways, I'd be willing to hammer at this point in the case, but not this point in the game. I don't believe what ender said was a scumslip, but I do agree with Amrun that his claim is starting to look more and more fake. Plus, we get rid of someone who didn't actually meet the sign-up requirements. HOWEVER, and early lynch is never good for the town, so I'd like a votecount before I put my vote down.

Uh, Fate, this is the buddy. Not Amrun, kay?

[GreyICE]

Time to try and find #3. I'm leaning Starbuck, but IS and bv310 haven't even posted yet, which is probably the safest for scum at this juncture.

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Think Rufflig's town, experience is that there's always one who won't lynch obvscum. Doesn't matter unless they're a governor.

Rufflig should at least read Wrath's post, if Ender gets volume of posting, Wrath gets the 1-shot award.

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Rufflig is clearly town.

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Then why the fuck isn't he voting Wraith?

Because he's town. Indecision can be scummy. Being totally, confidently, and utterly convinced of something that is wrong is town or

very good scum.

[GreyICE]

You win Fate, you win.

Unvote

Vote: Wrath

Also, you have no idea how good I am at vacuuming night kills Don't assume you're the lucky winner.

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Grey, answer my question, please. Why three scum?

It's pretty much the standard assumption for a 13 man game. There's occasionally 9:2:2, but that almost never happens. 8:3:1 happens, but that doesn't mean there's not a 3 man scumteam.

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Dayvig: Jack

Hah! Got the damn cult leader too!

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YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE AWESOME FLAVOR OF THIS DAYVIG

SPOILER: FLAMETHROWER

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so do BV and IS get modkilled or do we get the whole "game was only open for 1day" crap?

The rules say 1 FULL day. A full day is one week. I mean imagine Fate managed to do something like get a speed lynch pushed through in 4 hours, not like the moderator would kill everyone who hadn't posted or something.

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Anyway, raivann = scum, yes?

Oh come on, go ISO Wraith. There's a reason I'm not even getting worked up about this one.

There was a Night Zero?

Is that why it took so long to start?

TEE HEE I DIDN'T NOTICE BECAUSE I'M NOT SCUM OR ANYTHING

Then this:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2798815
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p2799178

So... five posts and he's obvscum. Don't flake on me here Jack.

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Ahh hey game started. Oops. Anchor post, I will read through sometime today and catch all the scum for you.

Just claim your role pm and we're there!

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I think Wraith is abit scum but is it just the other scum pushing for a lynch? I noticed Chesskid seems to always be going for the lynch, possible scum = chess.
I would rather not lynch, someone else feel free too if they have a good idea.

Chess, your wagon was just.

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Personally I'm interested in seeing which one of them ninja hammers their buddy from nowhere or becomes super-lurker once they see what their buddies have done with this day.

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So were there anything to learn from the bandwagons on the two townies IS?

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Hey Starbuck, you've talked about Ender, and Jack, and Fate.

How's Wraith looking?

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By the way, for after we hammer:

Power roles must go cult hunting.

So should scum

Seriously, you have no idea how bad they will get if they can grow. If you're a vig and it's a choice between shooting some random person who could be trying to not draw attention to themselves and shooting a roleclaimed Mafia Daycop, ya need to be herp derp shooting for the cult.

IT IS THAT BAD WHEN THEY GO ON TOO LONG.

[GreyICE]

Power roles must go cult hunting.

So should scum

YOU MAY THINK OH ENDER IS OBVSCUM I SHOULD COP HIM. DON'T. COP SOMEONE FADING INTO THE BACKGROUND OR SOMEONE WHO IS NOT SCUMMY OR SOMEONE WHO YOU JUST HAVE BUTTERFLIES IN THE STOMACH ABOUT.

WE NEED YOU, POWER ROLES.

CATCH THE DAMN CULT.

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There might not be a cult. It's just speculation.

But FUUUUUU for hammering, ender. This is why I wouldn't do L-1 at this stage of the game.

I DON'T CARE. DON'T LISTEN TO AMRUN. DON'T THINK ABOUT THERE NOT BEING A CULT. GO. AFTER. IT.

WE WILL SCUMHUNT DURING THE DAY. YOU CAN'T SCUMHUNT WHEN SCUM ARE BEING RECRUITED FROM TOWNREADS.

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Oh, i'll UNVOTE: if your that bothered. It was going to happen anyway, sorry for rushing it.

It's too late. He was at L-1 when you voted.

Learn to pay the fuck attention.

Sorry Starbuck.
It's really unfair.
You seem better than your scumbuddies, but this is the hand you were dealt.

[GreyICE]

You were hammered by ender several posts ago.

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er shit that was at wraith >_>
DAMN YOU GREYICE

HA

I AM POST NINJA

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Yeah.

It implies that scum get fakeclaim PMs

Come on dude.

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Also can we please not have any more claiming vanilla townie in any game ever outside of L-2/L-1 situations?

[GreyICE]

The zombie apocolypse is here. Will you gather against the geeks or will you turn on eachother?

* BaM game - flakers will be modkilled and banned, no exceptions.
* Based mostly on the first season of the tv show.

* There might be cults. Not sure yet, just fair warning if you hate cults.

You play games with guessing if that's a yes or a no. Serial Killers? They're easy, you're like oh, extra NK, cool. Cults, you're like dee, dee, one scum left, lynch, oh flipped PURPLE?!?

Then you realize that was day 3 and you're so dead.

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Yeah, or there was this big thread where we signed up for the game and all...

Seriously dude. Vigbait.

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HE'S NOT ROLEFISHING HE'S THE JESTER.

IGNORE HIM MAJOR PROBLEMS NOW ON OUR HANDS. PROBABILITY OF FATE-SCUM 50-70%.

FATE ARE YOU NOW A CULTIST YES/NO? ANSWER "NO WITH WIFOM" IF YOU WERE AT START OF N0/D1

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Because Fate could talk Eskimos into buying an icemaker? Seriously, were I recruiting people for my cult he'd be the #1 choice.

Unless the cult has some bizarro restriction. Were I to go with the flavor, they're infected and they turn into zombies after a day or two of game.

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Hmmm

I wonder if this is some sort of bizarro experiment. Stick 13 townies in a town, hint there's a cult, wait to see how long it takes for them to lynch each other.

Vote: Internet Stranger

Amrun: Try to walk outside to scream alot. Cult hunting is WIFOM on top of WIFOM. Chances are, they should recruit the people most likely to catch the cult, which makes it easier for us to catch the cult, so they should try and recruit players mid-skill level...

[GreyICE]

Wow.

Why on earth wouldn't you shoot Ender? I wanna 1-shot vig so I can shoot ender.

[GreyICE]

Blah

Unvote

IS isn't scum this game, imho.

Vote: Raivann

ISO is a thing of beauty. And by beauty I mean... you're in this game?

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Oh my god, I've been in a game with Amrun before. She's actually fairly smart noob-town.

And we have bv and raivenn and ender still around?

Jaaacccckkkk, your gut is failboat.

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Also, anyone get the feeling Chesskid has been like recruited? He made one post today. That's a really quiet chesskid.

Chesskid! Are you wearing robes?

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In other words, my vote on Jack stays. He was clearly trying to clear his name because he is cult and I'm onto him. Figured he could shot an obvious town and go for the "oops, imsorry" defense. I'm not buying it, Jack needs to hang.

But why? Cults LOVE obvious noob-town. When they get recruited, no one ever guesses, because they're like "okay, a little noob" and no one ever changes their town read! Argh, my head is starting to hurt, I'm trying to outguess them way too hard.

IS: probably. I hate cult hunting with a fiery passion. I was hoping this was going to be like "mafia, but there's a cult recruiter guy who kills his recruit after 24 hours, serial killer style." This is like "question everything" hunting.

Anyway, don't think Jack is cult, just kinda... Jack.

Fate is acting about like I'd expect Fate to act if recruited by a cult to be honest. Completely apathetic. He's either solving a puzzle or making a plan depending on if he's town or scum. Cult, he went from solving a puzzle to playing second fiddle for some sort of recruiter.

But seriously, I'm second guessing myself way too much. Raivenn's behavior has been ABYSMAL though. If I had a 1-shot vig, him or Ender would be on the receiving end, 100%.

[GreyICE]

Then why didn't Jack shoot Raivann then?

ICE: Any reason why you wouldn't vote Fate then? You pretty much called Fate every iteration of scum, but yet Raivann is just abyssmal. How about ending the second guessing and vote for Fate instead?

BECAUSE MY VOTE IS MY OWN DAMMIT.

Then again, he did just call a post with a vote for him in it goodposting... which I've like never seen Fate do.

But Raivann is just abysmal. Just. Abysmal. I'm so tired of it.

Fine. I'll sheep you, but only because you're town this game

Vote: Fate

I'd say that I'd whine if you're wrong, but this is cult hunting, we're gonna have so many more misses than hits.

Blarglecopter.

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It was good posting because he was first to accurately describe my play this game, apathetic. Aka new content and thus good posting.

Hiis conclusions are wrong, of course. And suggesting my temporary apathy is worse and more lynch worthy than Raivanns complete lack of capability for intelligent thought is laughable.

I don't know what it is with me getting mislynched in Tonys games though. I got a streak goin, baby.

I think it's cause you're apathetic.

I don't know what to do with you when you're apathetic. When you're trying to solve a puzzle, you're town. When you're executing a strategy, you're scum.

When you... don't give a shit?

I dunno. I just dunno.

Day 1 I read town. Unfortunately cult games EAT ALL OF YOUR TOWN READS AND SHIT THEM OUT THEIR ENORMOUS ANUS OF HELL.

Raivann...

...

Well, whatever, if that works as I think, you just became confirmable town, and Fate is towns again, so. Cult hunting. Someone flying under the radar as a vague town read.

Who don't I remember is in this game?

*looks at player list.*

Vote: bv310

Like... who the fuck are you? I don't even remember your avatar or one of your posts in the ISO. That's pathetic.

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unvote, vote:chesskid

I'm just gonna blatantly sheep someone else now:

No. Bad. The fuck is this?

Where is your case? Where are your reasons?

And so HELP ME GOD, IF YOU QUOTE ANYTHING FATE HAs SAID I WILL RAGE.

[GreyICE]

You are like the worst thing ever.

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I just did an ISO of chesskid, and I really don't see anything prolific in his posting. He really just seems to be trying to ride the wave of the game along.

Vote: chesskid

Wow, that's a tell. Definite tell. Yep, I can

tell

you're reading a chesskid ISO

[GreyICE]

When did chesskid do that, seriously? Not seeing it?

[GreyICE]

Did I fall into a time warp where everyone is like their alternate universe self?

I haven't undestood one thing that happened on day 2.

Whatever, this bv310 has an ISO that makes me bump Raivenn up to 'might have a reason to live' and hasn't posted since the Spice Girls were a big thing.

Vote: bv310

I don't even see how this lynch would change our game, unless he's scum, there's literally nothing the town stands to lose.

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I believe Starbuck vs. chesskid is town vs town.

Internet Stranger is CR. He bit fate and greyICE and now is trying to bus Fate.

Unvote, Vote: Internet Stranger

kick rocks, window licker!

This is...

The worst vote...

In the thread.

Okay, I have this new idea. The cult is my dumb Jesterizer idea: each day you recruit somebody. If they get lynched that day, they win. Otherwise they become neutral survivors.

Ender was day 1, but Wraith disrupted that by being like actual awesome Jester, and now he's a neutral survivor.

Raivenn is the day 2 Jester.

Does anyone dispute that this is an awesome piece of setup speculation?

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It was day 3.

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I'm gradually moving my way there, as I have the following:

1) No idea of the number of scum
2) No idea if they started the game as scum
3) No idea if things like 'purify' do anything
4) No idea if the scum know each other


Fuck it. You know what, Jack was right to FOS Amrun for that, this is killing me. Right now, it's 3 scum, 8 town, one dumbass oneshot vig, and a whole lot of WIFOM

Vote: Raivenn

Will accept an Ender vote too, although if we had ANOTHER ONE SHOT VIG JACK that might be something we could handle...

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Fate is hilarious. I love this. I love how Fate thinks everyone else is just dumb and is going to fall for stupid shit. You think you caught me in some sort of doubletalk lie?

Youre the one that started singling out people who were good players. I was adding to your list. That wasnt a suspect list at all. Here is my suspect list:

Fate - I think Fate got bit and was hoping to lay low with the I dont give a shit attitude until I called him out. Whatever Fate.
Jack - Went down on the scumlist after the vig shot. Its still likely that he is a puppet, but I highly doubt he is the recruiter.
ICE - If I was the zombielord recruiter, I would have bit ICE last night after that giant goblet of WIFOM he put out there.

Dude, if Fate Jack and me were scum, in THIS town, you guys wouldn't know what happened until two weeks after 7 man LyLo was over.

These are the worst scumreads in human history. Which means that you're probably relying on your meta of being too scummy to be scum.

Vote:Internet Stranger

<-Baaaaaaaa

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I'm going out on a limb. BV isn't smart enough to emergency fakeclaim in response to a supposed hammer. He's exactly bad enough to fail counting to 4.

No, okay what i said was pretty stupid. We'll gain more scumformation (hehe) at night to lead a lynch.

Oh my fucking god he's not dead?

Unvote

Vote: Ender241

There isn't a non-scummy thing you've done. Die in a fucking fire.

[GreyICE]

10 hours guys, moment of truth. Can the town get together and lynch Ender for gameplay known to the State of California to cause cancer?

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unvote

Vote: Ender

I'll join this only because 10h left. I really want starbuck, and I'll make a fucking amazing case tomorrow and you'll all see the light and i'll be the hero gotham needs.

Why the fuck is there a doctor in a cult game though?

I dunno, it's a fucking stupid fakeclaim, but it just seems so CONSISTENT for bv310 to count to 4 and miss.

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Also, just because of the no-kill doc claim, etc., I am kinda okay with hammering BV, but I just fucking think Ender just claimed scum up there. I can't interpret it any other way.

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Fate doesn't give a shit if he hammers, so why would you think he does?

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Oh fuck it, Fate, you better be right about this, but BV not counting is just such a consistent thing from someone who doesn't read the damn game. BV, if you're just counting on some metagame of being a moron to get away as scum, I'll policy lynch you some other game.

Vote:Internet Stranger

Like everyone knows that Fate doesn't give a shit if his vote's the hammer or not. Why would you even post that?

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And to everyone, I apologize. Between spending yesterday reintroducing the contents of my stomach to the toilet, and the past week, I just haven't had the energy to care about much on this site. And this seems like the sort of fucking game where I don't get out much unless I sink a ton - the setup is either bizarre, or we've been played in the best way ever.

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unvote
Vote: RedCoyote

RedCoyote knows too many people are town.
I believe Bv's claim. I still think Fate and Ice are recruits.
Re IS: I don't like how fate and Ice voted him.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

OKAY THAT'S IT.

I DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THIS GAME. BUT THIS VOTE IS SO BAD I GIVE LIKE 400 SHITS.

THANK YOU. YOU HAVE SINGLE HANDEDLY RESTORED MY INTEREST WITH THIS SODOM AND GOMORRAH OF POSTS.

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I don't see any inconsistencies between bv310's claim and his play - not that there's a whole lot of it.

Assuming bv310 is telling the truth, either:
a) No cult - bv310 stopped nk and Fate is town
b) cult - Fate is town or part of the cult

So Fate isn't completely cleared even if bv310 is telling the truth.

I'm not entirely convinced of bv310's claim. The last game I was in, we had a similar situation (with Nachomamma8 playing the part of bv310). When the town thought they had lynched Nacho (but hadn't), Nachomamma8 went and wrote an angry post-lynch tell all post with a claim of survivor in it. Nachomamma8 lied - he was able to count the votes.

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Fate doesn't count votes. He just likes to hammer. He failed to hammer Ethereal Cookie twice in a row last game because he doesn't count.

@Rufflig: Nacho is friggin smart and if he did that I'd lynch him for not being able to count which is like... impossible. BV? I mean he's a claimed doctor like what, if there's night kills he'll last like 0.5 seconds. BV310 or not, no one leaves a claimed doctor alive, because next power role claim, it's like "oooooppppssss." So he's dead anyway with that claim, one way or another.

[GreyICE]

FINE I AM HERE

DO WE LYNCH BV?

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Vote: BV

WHATEVER

[GreyICE]

Maybe we can just get the tagline "And day 2 ended in failure, like they deserved."

[GreyICE]

WAIT

CHESS DOESN'T THIS GET US TO L-1 IF FATE DOES IT TOO?

FUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKK

I CAN'T COUNT EITHER. DAMN IT

[GreyICE]

Maybe we can like use a moon cannon. And fire all the useless people to the moon.

I should have just lynched BV. Even though he probably will flip doctor. I mean what's he adding to this town.

First claimed doctor to ever live to LyLo, be lynched, then flip Doctor in LyLo? I could so buy it.

[GreyICE]

Someone will fall over dead in the next 3 pages. Cases on who?

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Should I shoot BV310, or is Tony Montoya weird enough to stick a Doctor in a cult game as a "named townie" and to majorly fuck with us?

[GreyICE]

I'm just thinking
what happens to cults if/when the CR dies?

*sigh*

I was going to make a big long post about this, but I'll just come out and say what I'm fearing:

Since when have zombies had a 'zombie master?' Especially in a walking dead flavored game?

There is no cult recruiter, they're hampered some other way.

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Oh my god. He has to be jestering, right? BV310, there's anti-cult roles because this game is designed not to suck, and GIMME THE FLAVOR AND BACKGROUND OF YOUR FUCKING DOCTOR CLAIM NOW.

It's raining fucking day vigs around here. I'm guessing that we're getting AT LEAST one per day, and either there's an inventor I don't know about, at which point why Amrun me and Jack, or it's a cult balancing mechanic. I'm not sure quite what's going on, but I think with the sheer number of 1-shot vigs, we're supposed to be able to handle inherited recruiters, especially if it's "even night only" or something like that.

I still feel we're desperately close to a LyLo situation, and I'm treating this exactly like the day before LyLo.

[GreyICE]

Um... okay, I just got a clarification PM from the mod.

I'm a one shot NIGHT vig. Jesus. I promise you, there will be a death tonight.

Also... he told me he's going to modkill Jack. I have no idea if I've just been delivered a concentrated dose of MOD WIFOM. I think I have... and it kinda worries me.

I swear unto god, this was not a gambit, I read "Gun!" and ignored the flavor because there wasn't any bolded shit in the PM.

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No way in spitting hells the scum took a shot at Fate night 1, had someone claim doctor day 2, and thought "oh, lets take a shot at Fate! That might work!"

So cult game. Points so far.

1) Jack is modkilled. Ugh. Well shittastic. I like the BAM ruleset, I like playing with Jack, I think he's town.

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2) Chesskid is either fakeclaiming as Cult Recruiter, or playing as town. I'm leaning towards town.

3) Starbuck - I say town

4) The Rufflig - Town

5) Fate - Wee woo la de do

6) 7) 8) 9) OH RIGHT ALL MY READS DON'T FUCKING MATTER BECAUSE ANY OF YOU COULD HAVE BEEN RECRUITED.

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bv310 - does it fit with this mods particular sense of humor to put a doctor in that specifically does nothing but prevent our vigs? I agree with Starbuck - this seems like the sort of role that's in a game.

Chesskid - flavor and nameclaim since you just ability claimed.

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bv310 - does it fit with this mods particular sense of humor to put a doctor in that specifically does nothing but prevent our vigs? I agree with Starbuck - this seems like the sort of role that's in a game.

Chesskid - flavor and nameclaim since you just ability claimed.

I can think of two characters who could have my ability. I don't see why I need to nameclaim unless we're MCing at this point >_>

I don't think there's any fake claims in this game. I don't think there's any point. It's a zombie game. Anyone could be infected. Anyone could be the undead.

With the cult, there's CERTAINLY no fake claim for the cult members. They are who they were.

I want to know your identity and flavor.

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Glenn
I've got mad survival skills/mad fast. Too good for zombies to catch me.

Damn it. I was hoping you'd claim Michonne because that would be my first choice for a fake claim of that ability who probably isn't in the game.

And then I was all like "Glenn? He's a worthless shit." But then I went and read the show flavor, and nooooo, apparently he's now this cool survivalist who rescues people from zombies, and also a main character.

So either you're town or you just blitzed me. And yes, I hate flavor

and

I'm leaning on it because I GOT SO NOTHING RIGHT NOW.

Okay, so, where am I?

BV310

- probably town naive doctor, he can doctor someone and it does nothing, or just blocks our vig shots.
Possibly fakeclaiming cult who thought that adding a doctor ability to their VT status would make us less likely to shoot. Hurr, I need to decide.

Chesskid

- town

Ender - he has a vig? Oh dear lawd.

Jack

- dead

Other reads - blahahahahahaha

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Flavor claim as to why I have a vig shot:

I found a gun in Shane's tent. No, I dun know why Shane had a gun. No, I dun know why I stole it.

But I did, and now I have it, and I will unleash lead poisoning.

IS is currently pretty fucking high on the list of people who will eat lead tonight.

[GreyICE]

*shudder*

FUCK ME.

I carefully paraphrased that and he went and quoted wholesale? And there goes our vig shot?

*sob*

Jack better damn well flip scum if he's modkilled.

[GreyICE]

*sigh*

So where are we?

We had 4 vig shots. We had 2 lynches. That means theoretically we should be at 7 people right now. If scum recruited Night zero, night 1, night 2, we'd have lost. Cult recruitments are superior to being scum from the start because they hit stronger players and players people have town reads on, and thus cults can dodge bullets much much easier than town.

Losing on day 3 due to truly terrible shots might be fair, but it's at the bleeding edge.

It's every other night recruitment, and there's no cult leader. I have a good feeling about this one. Plus if we have 4 scum right now, we are truly and epically fucked. So I have to run with that.

There are three scum. Two were scum from day 1, one became scum last night. Who are they?

[GreyICE]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2801199

Oh, i'll UNVOTE: if your that bothered. It was going to happen anyway, sorry for rushing it.

It's too late. He was at L-1 when you voted.

Learn to pay the fuck attention.

A few other things, but I just don't think Starbuck was cult right then. Between that and not gunning for (confirmed town) Ender for a hammer that was so bad it makes my eyes water, I just read really, really pissed town.

[GreyICE]

I'm getting more and more certain that one of Fate and IS is scum at this point in time.

That being said I need more posts from EVERYONE. I need to know who was recruited at this point in time. I'm going to use my confirmed town credit to the hilt today, because if I don't, I'm not getting another chance - I have a feeling being 'conf town' in anyone's mind means that they're a good cult recruitment.

And no, fuck 'playing to change your win conditions' I want the cult to lose even if I'm later a part of it.

[GreyICE]

Um... Apparently for not posting for a "full day?"

I dunno, it was in my PM about the shot. I WON'T quote it, but it said more or less '...so there's no one dying during the daytime unless I modkill Jack tomorrow...'

Or apparently wraith.

I'm hoping like hell Jack posts.

[GreyICE]

^^

What the man said and GOD I'm glad I don't have to tiptoe around 'quoting mod communication' versus 'telling the town what the mod told me.'

[GreyICE]

Sorry, if I'm recruited, I'm jestering it the hell up and getting lynched to screen my recruiter. That's playing to my win condition and stops me from having to live as cult. That's pretty awesome.

Also, I'm rocking the confirmed town today because if I'm alive and no one wakes up with a bullet in their skull, go ahead and lynch me.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE I don't give two shits about your gambit or vig claim, if you don't vote Starbuck in your next post you are confirmed Cult in my eyes.

You just told Wraith that. And then lynched him for it when he listened to you.

Stop being a pain in the ass and think about this for a second. Someone was recruited today. I want to figure out who because I'm not convinced we have a SINGLE cult recruiter. I think Tony is experimenting with what a cult that we need to kill ALL OF (not just the recruiter) would need to have facing it to be balanced.

4 different one shot vigs raining down from the skies, and unkillable town makes sense.

P.S. BV, protect Fate again and you're fucking scum. You already almost are for claiming to have protected him Day 1/2.

[GreyICE]

Goddamn it. IS no Jack modkill plan makes sense.

Fuck trading Jack for Starbuck.

Vote: Starbuck

BV - I'm serious. Protect fate and you're scum, because if that flip is town, the bullet goes into his skull.

[GreyICE]

I'm not that worried. I'm holding to there being three scum. If you're town, right now the team is:

Chesskid/Fate/someone

Fate saw this lovely chance to bus his idiot partner, and did it. Then he realized that mislynching you might secure the win. Chesskid recruiting Fate night 0 makes a lot of sense.

If you're scum, I've obviously screwed the hell up, but I don't like how your gameplay has changed today, so I feel like there's a shot at this being good. In particular, your first post read "holy balls, I've been recruited."

Oh, and there's no gambit in this bullet Fate. You think moderators PM me to explain how I've screwed up about my fake gambit claims?

[GreyICE]

I still can't figure out if it's BV is the idiot partner under the bus, or just the weirdest role ever. Fate warning me off BV yesterday than deciding he was scum feels like such a bus.

But mostly if Jack gets modbanned from BAM games, I'll be pissed.

[GreyICE]

It's mostly because I have no fucking clue what's going on. I do kinda like the IS/Fate/Chesskid scumteam, but I just like IS scum in general. He's the only person in the entire world crazy enough to no kill two nights in a row just to drive us slowly insane with cult speculation.

On the other hand, I have a town read on Starbuck, so I need to see if
A) I'm an idiot
B) She got recruited
C) You and chesskid are playing really badly, and IS is sheeping you for some reason.

[GreyICE]

It's entirely possible, btw, that there's now 4 cult members, and 6 town. But that means we're all doomed anyway, so fuck it.

[GreyICE]

I may be an idiot having a town read on you, Grey.

And I may be one for having one on you. Hey, I'll flip a coin. Heads, Fate, tails, Chesskid. That way if BV310 is really the lame ass recruiter who started this, and he's a doctor, he'll probably miss.

[GreyICE]

Yes, IS, I'm clearly not trying to figure out WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.

Double inventor shipping us guns? Random.org shipping us guns? Wraith flipping town? Cult recruiter in a zombie game (where there should be no cult recruiter)? How do you balance a cult where each member can act as recruiter?

Okay, lets just underline that one. Assume a cult where every member can act as a recruiter. Chesskid is now nigh-mandatory for the game to balance, but no one has counterclaimed him, and no one seems to want to, and I don't particularly like him as town this game.

And why the fuck would cults be recruiting Raivann? But what was up with that amazingly bad vote yesterday? Is the recruitment random?

I mean literally, here's the grand flaw of cults - if they're recruiting, it's not the Raivanns and Enders and BV310s of the world who end up in them. It's Fate, and Jack, and you and Chesskid.

[GreyICE]

I mean I could totally buy a Red Coyote recruit. Or a Rufflig. But Fate doesn't even want to hear from them today. No, speedlynch Starbuck for weird ass plans.

But Fate reads fucking town, which probably means he's kicked me in the crotch on day 3 AGAIN.

[GreyICE]

The joke this game is clearly going to be that Tony stuck 13 townies in a room with a box of guns and a lynch and told us to go nuts.

[GreyICE]

I mean or possibly he's recruit-immune and thus knew that there was a faction that could recruit.

[GreyICE]

Oh wow, I forgot about you too.

I wonder why I thought we only had 3 cult members alive aka 7 people total.

ICE.

WTF

BECAUSE IT'S STUPID TO HAVE 4.

Do the math. Night 0 start.

We start with 2 cult, and get a lynch and 2 vigs to balance out the cult menace.

Or there's even night only recruitment, and they didn't get to recruit night 1. Does that make more sense? Yes.

If there are seriously 4 cult here, I'm just labeling us "fucking screwed" after that modkill on OUR VIG.

We lynch cult, and I what, shoot cult? And there's STILL THREE CULT TOMORROW?!?

Lets see.
6/4
5/3

Then we get 2 guns handed out to random townies which are probably going to be Raivann and BV310 the way our luck rolls, and we die.

That's the progression if we lynch cult and I shoot cult and they're at 4. So if we're at 4, we're fucking screwed, since I don't like the Starbuck lynch, and I don't have great confidence in my shot. There's no Magua here, I have reads and they all mean jack shit.

So they're at three, because every other option is an autoloss. If we hit scum with starbuck, they're recruiting amongst the unnoticed, and it's Rufflig/RedCoyote/IS that I'm aiming at. If we hit town, they're probably recruiting the best players, and I'm aiming for you and whatnot. If both of you are really town, their recruiting patterns are flaming nonsense.

[GreyICE]

Also we seem to get vigs every other day.
Since we had 2 on D1
none on D2
2 on D3

I could have shot it last night.

You have no idea how little I liked any of my shots. NONE. Also I can read and thought it was a dayvig because N1s were all dayvigs and I'm illiterate.

[GreyICE]

I'm fucking shooting you.

PEDIT: Not you fate.

[GreyICE]

Dude, he just roleclaimed Jester. There's a recruiter after all.

Like "whelp, she's going down, I'll do the scummiest thing I can think of!"

[GreyICE]

OH COME ON HE WON'T EVEN SUBMIT HIS NIGHT ACTION, HE'LL JUST FORGET.

I DOCTORED FATE ON NIGHT 1. I DOCTORED FATE ON NIGHT 2. I DOCTORED YOUR MOM ON NIGHT 3.

[GreyICE]

you mad bro?

Unvote:Fate
Vote:Starbuck

Bullets.

So many bullets.

I want to shoot you with so many bullets.

[GreyICE]

Um... yep. Yeah, you're reading that exactly right.

[GreyICE]

She was recruited night 2, and it was a "holy shit there's cults" for her first post of the day, and my town read is fucking vindicated.

Well, I'm happy.

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Vote: Chesskid

I feel so calm about this one. I have my comforting gun.

[GreyICE]

It occurs to me that I have a pattern of sheeping whatever wagons look halfway decent so I can get to the night phase when I'm shooting something... this may be a bad meta to give. But I love me some guns.

[GreyICE]

Not Amrun's fault, that shot of Jack's was the sort of bad that you write legends about.

I think like two people in the town didn't have an enormous town read on her the size of the moon.

[GreyICE]

Hmm.

ITT Starbuck does the right thing. Well, yay. I'm listening to your reads x 10, but noooo, I had to forget Chesskid has played like 500 games and doesn't even know his own role PM during the daytime, so he's not readable.

[GreyICE]

I'll try and work on that one.

If she doesn't, she's scum, if I role claim jester tomorrow, I'm scum. It'll be playing to my win condition somehow.

[GreyICE]

Ugh. I meant if she doesn't, BV is scum. Blaaaahhhhh, I can type.

[GreyICE]

Ugh, why do I have such a suspicion that my bit about neither of them being the recruiter because there's no recruiter is 100% dead on?

They just hate each other.

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Sorry hun, can't help but lynch claimed scum.

Modkill on Jack is bullshit if we drop hammer before he is REQUIRED to post, right?

[GreyICE]

Vote: Starbuck

Jack... get your shit together. I swear unto god.

[GreyICE]

Shut up, y'all.

I'm claiming my mantle. I am confirmed town. I'm literally, at the moment, the only living person who cannot be in the cult.

[GreyICE]

Every post after this will contain an

Unvote

or will be made by a cultist who wants us to lynch them.

We are not voting yet. Period.

Now, lets review what we know.

1) Chesskid recruited N0, N1, and N2. Why? Balance.

Using the vigs, we could have cleared town of being the recruiter at the following rate:

Day 2: 12 townies. 2 vigs (not recruiter). Shoot 2 suspects.
Day 3: Both vigs fire overnight. Assuming they don't hit the other vig, we go into day 3 with 4 confirmed non-recruiter (although not confirmed non-scum) and 4 suspects. That's pretty goddamn good, given if we hit cultists there could easily be a day 4.

That means there are 2 scum cultists remaining.

Scum Chart
Patient 0: Chesskid
N0 Recruit: ??????
N1 Recruit: ??????
N2 Recruit: Starbuck

I received my gun on night 2, I was not recruited N2, I shot Starbuck to prove existence of said gun N3.

MASS CLAIM

I am 1-shot vig. Received N2, shot starbuck N3.

Popcorn: Internet Stranger

[GreyICE]

No one will claim out of order.

[GreyICE]

There is method to my madness.

I endorse plenty of discussion on whose play changed between days 1 and 2, but I'm putting setup to the side until after the claim.

[GreyICE]

Rufflig claims scum by not unvoting, news at 11.

[GreyICE]

Claiming is useful. It can confirm town.

Claim.

[GreyICE]

Don't give two flying shits about the flavor, FYI. No "sarah kerrigan, town broodqueen" just gimme the abilities and uses

[GreyICE]

IS there's no bloody night kill.

MC isn't always the best option because of power roles dying, but here that isn't possible. There is literally no pro-town motive for not claiming.

[GreyICE]

We. Can. Confirm. Town.

We need two good lynches to win this. It's 4:2. And you want to stick on policy?

Why not? We might as well end this abomination with two modkills, a deadline no lynch, and the worst vig shot in recorded history by policy lynching someone for an insane stance that makes no sense at all in this game. Fuck your meta, we've been complete bloody morons for three days, lets do SOMETHING right day 4.

[GreyICE]

Oh for fucks sake. IS, I knew you were egotistical and ornery. Fine characteristics. Didn't realize you were fucking stupid and kowtowed to the meta bullshit.

You are claiming Vanilla townie. I now state it. If you counterclaim anyone, I lynch you after we finish this cop stuff. Policy. As long as the vigs keep it in their pants tonight, we should have one mislynch.

I'll say that you popcorn to Rufflig. Rufflig, claim.

[GreyICE]

Passing back to Fate. No bullshit. This is choose your own scumteam. You're high on the shopping list. And that "note to the recruiter" has cultist gambit written ALL over it. I dunno if you'd pull something that pants-on-head as cult, but this game seems to have a post restriction built into all role PMs:

"You must lose 50 IQ points before posting in this thread."

Even the not-so good were rather especially worse than usual, and the decent players, myself included, have been ass-clowns.

[GreyICE]

Or people who believe your play changed dramatically between days 1 and 2. I'm treating this like LyLo, and that means all my shit is out the fucking window.

Sbuck, if you were recruited by chess you wouldnt OUT him as your recruiter...

lolscumthesedays

I remember that post too.

[GreyICE]

oh fuck it, whatever. Fuck this nonsense.

Open house. Claim when you post. ITT we all claim scum, because our brains are dribbling out our eardrums.

[GreyICE]

...

While I find the delayed recruit speculation a tad interesting, the calculations are like... waaaaaaaaa.

Okay, and no claim.

I'll wait for the second half, I suppose.

Starting to really dislike y'all. Raivann... claim. NOW

[GreyICE]

METHOD TO MADNESS FATE.

THE METHOD IS COOL.

YOU WILL LIKE IT.

TONY MONTOYA - YOU'VE PLAYED IN HIS GAMES BEFORE, RIGHT? NOT BREAKABLE, CONFIRM?

[GreyICE]

I just want the vig to claim at this point.

[GreyICE]

I think we can conclude it's obviously not IS, it's not you, and it's not me since I shot starbuck. So has to be one of those three, which should confirm our targets.

[GreyICE]

So Red Coyote is the last location of the vig shot?

[GreyICE]

RedCoyote - the gun I found was found in Shane's tent. We have several things confirmed now.

1) Scum have a night kill. This is indeed MyLo.
2) I agree the guns don't confirm you town, but if you were cult and had a gun as well as a factional night kill, I'd think you'd be pushing No Lynch. So you're tentatively town. Where do our shots sit?


Wraith | Amy | Vanilla | Lynched Day One
Amrun | Shane Walsh | One-shot Vig | Killed Day Two

Shot inhereted by GreyICE, used on Starbuck

ender241 | Andrea | One-shot Vig | Modkilled day three

Shot inherited by RedCoyote? (unconfirmed due to no shot taken)

chesskid3 | Subject Zero | Cult Recruiter | Lynched Day Three
Jack | Rick Grimes | One-shot Vig | Modkilled Day Three

Shot used on Amrun

Starbuck | T-Dog | Zombie | Killed Night Three
bv310 | Edward Jenner | Doc | Killed Night Three

Wish that ding dong Jack had STUCK AROUND $@!$@%! and then we'd be actually doing pretty well, but we have a hope here.

Okay. As I see it, the town has the following claimed resources.

Fate: Cop+Vigilante (only vigs town).
Claims innocent on:
Internet Stranger
Jack (Huh)
Ender (huh)

I dunno if this is his idea of a joke, because a cop showing up in LyLo clearing two corpses and a claimed town is normally something that would make me scream "lynch it with fire!"

However, we may just have a way to guarantee a win here, no matter who is telling the truth or lying. I think this game has degenerated to mathematically solvable, unless the scumteam is Fate/RC. I need to PM the mod.

[GreyICE]

Mod confirmation is a go! All kills used during the night will do the resolve-y thing at the same exact time. You may PM to confirm if you wish.

Fate's claimed kill and RC's claimed kill resolve at the same time. We now have the following scenarios:

1) Fate is town, RC is town
2) Fate is scum, RC is town
3) Fate is town, RC is scum
4) Fate is scum, RC is scum

Scenario 1: Scum is The Rufflig/Raivenn
Scenario 2: Scum is Fate and 1 of IS, Rufflig, Raivenn
Scenario 3: Scum is RC and 1 of Rufflig, Raivenn
Scenario 4: Scum is Fate/RC

Possible plan: Lynch Rufflig or Riavenn (I prefer the latter, he drives me insane). Fate Cop+Vigs the other. RC vigs fate. Where are we then?

Scenario 1:

Fate dies. Riavenn/Ruffles dies.

Win

Scenario 2

Fate dies. RC lives. Since fate is fakeclaiming, Raivenn/Ruffles doesn't die.
Endgame is NK out of
GreyICE (conf town)
RC (conf town)
IS
R&R

LyLo

Scenario 3

RC may or may not be lying about gun, but is scum.

RC lying about gun

1 Death out of:
GreyICE
IS
Fate

Lynch RC,

win

RC Telling truth (two subcases)

We lynch scum

Fate confirms town.
Two confirmed town in LyLo, lynch RC,

win

We lynch town

Fate kills, RC kills, + normal night kill. 1:1,

we lose.

Scenario 4:

We lose.

So 1 = win, 2 = LyLo, 3 = win if we lynch scum or RC is lying, 4 = loss.

Anyone have a better plan?

[GreyICE]

Lynch Ruff, RC vigs Raivann bc if he's town those two are defscum.

Not sure why this has to be more complicated tha that, or why you're STILL considering me as scum after yesterday, especially based on reasoning like "derp his innocents are dead" yeah? So? Shit happens, people die. A PERFECT fakeclaim is the one to be wary of.

RC is lolthough, t

Um, Fate. You claimed a vig that only works on zombies (i.e. Cop+Vig)

Why does RC have to vig Raivann? You can do it just fine. If those are obvscum, then you'll never even have to watch the game be over, your vig will kill off Raivann, Rufflig will be dead in the lynch, and you can laugh at me post game for disbelieving you for even 1 second.

[GreyICE]

Um, okay. Lets chart that:

1) RC survives, so it's RC, IS, Me, Raivenn/ruffles + NK LyLo, yeaaaahhhhh
2) Well that's a fake claim, so no real change. You die, we find your partner.
3) RC dies, you die, leaving us with the same dilemma - we die if we lynch town, we win if we lynch scum
4) We obv lose.

Okay, I'm game. Everyone else on board? Raivenn or Ruffles, whose the scum?

[GreyICE]

My method was to try and get one of the scum to fakeclaim vig and claim the BV310 shot, then lynch them because scum obviously have a night kill.

Claiming to have an unused vig shot is much more likely to be town.

[GreyICE]

Oh and of the two it's obviously Ruffles for my choice. He didn't unvote, he chucked his vote around in MyLo, and his gameplay between day 1 and today is DRAMATICALLY different. We all had a town read on him, so he's an obvious recruit.

Raivann we all hated. He's evil. We might have lynched him just in general for annoying us so much. He's a worse recruit.

[GreyICE]

Eh, if he's a zombie then he dies tonight, so screw that. Possibilities worth considering now are that he's town, because if he's scum then he's dead, and we're rolling into LyLo with confirmed town.

Waiting for RC to confirm, then voting.

[GreyICE]

Or the game is just over

[GreyICE]

YES! I SHOT MY OWN TEAM! I WAS LIKE "WELL, I COULD GO INTO DAY FOUR WITH THREE CULT AND THREE TOWN ALIVE, BUT I KNOW! I'LL SHOOT MY OWN SCUMBUDDY! FUCK THAT 3:3 SHIT, 4:2 REALLY IMPROVES MY CHANCE OF WINNING!"

[GreyICE]

OR I GUESS IT WOULD BE LIKE WHAT? 5:1? ROFL.

YEAH, NO.

[GreyICE]

IF YOU ARE TOWN.

1) IF RC IS TOWN - TOMORROW IS TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES AND RAIVENN
2) IF RC IS SCUM - HE'S DEAD, AND THE GAME IS EITHER OVER (RUFFLIG SCUM), OR IT'S TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES AND RAIVENN, UNLESS HE REALLY HAS THAT VIG SHOT.

ONLY WAY I SEE US LOSING IS IF HE IS SCUM WITH A VIG SHOT AND RUFFLES IS TOWN, OR YOU AND HIM ARE THE SCUMTEAM.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Ruffles

FATE+RC, IF YOU PLAYED US, WELL DONE.

[GreyICE]

Psssh, we need Red Coyote to vote.

[GreyICE]

Well if he's all like "No, I don't like the idea of becoming confirmed town AND killing my biggest scumread" when he posts here, I'm going to shift my vote so fast onlookers are getting whiplash.

[GreyICE]

As far as RC's claim of having a gun goes - I doubt that as well. I suspect we got 1 gun for the recruiter and then 1 gun for each townie that was recruited. No shots left, no more shots will ever become available. We wasted our shots badly.

p-edit: Self-hammer and cause town to lose? No thanks.

No, RC's claim is completely legit. He has a piece of flavor in his claim that I had, and he wasn't on in time to see Ender's deleted Mod-communication.

It doesn't prove him town, but nigh-proves he's holding a gun.

If you agree with me, then you understand why I now think RC is town (I think the scum have a NK, and I still don't think they're getting 1 shot vigs if they're not recruiting them).

At this point, if RC is town, the town cannot possibly lose. Agree?

[GreyICE]

Negative. Rufflig refused to unvote when asked by confirmed town to unvote in MyLo. Raivenn is asking questions that, while hurt my brain, are kinda pro-town in that he appears to be trying to figure out what happened.

Also no way Chesskid recruited Raivenn over Rufflig, one of them has played several good games, one of them is a giant walking mislynch.

PEDIT:

No lynch:

Hmm. So you think RC is scum? And has a vig shot, because I just confirmed that. And fate is fakeclaiming. So they NK one, vig shot one, and it's 2:2.

HRRRRRMMMMM, YES I THINK YOU'RE TOWN AND SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING THIS.

[GreyICE]

Whoever his partner is, save us some time and just bus.

[GreyICE]

HRRM

Except that RC still probably has a gun and we LOSE ANYWAY. So I guess he's the last scumbag. NICE PLAN. DIE IN A FIRE ZOMBIE MAN

[GreyICE]

My favorite part of this entire ordeal is where I proved it was very difficult for Fate-scum to win unless RC was scum.

And then suddenly Fate's scumbuddy goes from IS to RedCoyote instantly.

OOPS.

[GreyICE]

Fine, I'll do actual case shit.

@Raivann:

Assuming, I'm wrong about the existence of a cult,

I can see why you would have suspicion of Jack. I'm not following your train of thought for Fate and GreyICE, though. Could you explain?

Rufflig: Doesn't think there's a cult.

As far as I can tell, you still think ender241 is scum. I can't tell if I've ever convinced you that ender241 started out as a vt.

Rufflig... trying to convince Fate that ender241 STARTED OUT as a VT. Why started out? I know if I start out as a VT in mininormals, I don't suddenly become scum. And ender didn't get a gun until D3. STARTED OUT. Rufflig now thinks there's a cult.

Next post:

just in case i'm being misconstrued here
i'm not softclaiming a guilty on starbuck
I was refering to my play and there being a reason for it.

RESPONSE:

*sigh*
UNVOTE:
That's all right - I'll let you have all the rope you want, chesskid3.

Where you end up on it depends on you.

VOTE: Fate

YES BOSS RECRUITER MAN NO LYNCHING STARBUCK TODAY BOSS RECRUITER MAN, YOU HAVEN'T RECRUITED HER YET I SEE.

DAY 3: LETS VOTE FATE AND IS, I'LL WAIT FOR CHESS.

DAY 4: WELL NOTHING CHANGED OVERNIGHT. LETS VOTE FATE AND IS.

[GreyICE]

*headdesk*

Thank god he can't decide to lynch Fate.

Other good reasons not to go to LyLo: Town-Raivenn making clincher votes.

[GreyICE]

I seriously hope Jack is okay btw. I don't see him as someone who would flake on a game.

[GreyICE]

It appears
My calculations
Did not factor in
Total retardation

[GreyICE]

Well, lets hope Red Coyote is town. He's not, but we can hope, right?

[GreyICE]

Rufflig, your mistake was going after me first, then after Fate and completely dismissing RC as a suspect. The fact that you two are voting together doesnt help matters either. Had you gone after Raivann as lurkerVIscum, I would have been more apt to believe you.

If ICE turns out to be scum though, I will have sex with his sister.

You mean if I turn out to have shot my scumbuddy instead of town, thus turning a 3:3 scum win into a 4:2 MyLo, you'll be mad at me?

Gimme SOME credit. I'm dumb, but I can count to 3.

[GreyICE]

LETS DEADLINE NO LYNCH AGAIN

THAT'S FUN.

RAIVANN, QUICK, CLAIM. TO CLAIM PROPERLY I NEED TO KNOW THE CONTENTS OF YOUR ROLE PM.

COPY AND PASTE IT INTO THE THREAD.

[GreyICE]

FATE

WELCOME TO HELL

[GreyICE]

So your theory is that rather than kill a townie and end the game with a cult win in my favor, I shot one of my scumbuddies.

Are you serious? Your theory is that rather than win the game, I have some mysterious plot to win the game today?

[GreyICE]

That theory is so wildly out there that you HAVE to be town

And RC is going to go missing until deadline. I can smell this.

[GreyICE]

Red reads an analysis on why fate-scum cannot win unless he has Red Coyote as a partner.

Red Coyote refuses to vote Rufflig.

Yeah, we have our scumteam.

[GreyICE]

Seriously, RC, look at it this way.

Cop+Vig is ridiculous, until you think of cult mechanics. Lynching a cultist puts the town BEHIND.

Like "11 town, 2 cultists." Cult recruits one, town lynches him that day. Night is "10 town, 2 cultists." Lynching scum didn't get you anywhere (the evil of cults). So it's the one scenario where a cop plus vig makes any sense.

We are not lynching someone who is potentially cop cleared in MyLo. Period. Also, there ARE no villains in this game - Chesskid was the recruiter, everyone else is town until recruited.

IS - cop cleared.
Fate - vig+cop
RC - vig

If fate flips scum, well, his vig is false, and one of the two of us will be in LyLo. Raivenn is already very suspicious of IS, and will throw his vote on him. Then we hammer, and the scumteam goes bye-bye.

If fate flips cop-vig and you're not dead tomorrow, IS is cop-cleared, and you and him are confirmed town! Then you lynch Raivann because he's the last zombie.

He's not the last zombie, it's you and Rufflig.

[GreyICE]

Look Raivann, RC trusts me, right? If we follow this plan, then Fate will die tonight, and IS will be lynched tomorrow. I'll probably be the night kill, but if I'm not you trust RC and RC trusts me, and if fate flips scum I'll vote for IS.

I promise.

So if you vote for RC, then Fate will die tonight and IS will die tomorrow unless Fate is town - which you don't believe.

So everything you want to happen will happen if you just lynch today. You don't believe Fate's claim, you know that RC is telling the truth and has a gun and will shoot fate, and then that scum flip will happen and you can be right! And laugh at me (even if I'm dead) and we'll lynch IS for the win.

[GreyICE]

Look at it this way Raivann. I'm an asshole, right? If we lynch Fate-scum today, then RC shoots IS-scum tonight, and the game just ends. I'm like "herp, I was wrong" and I walk away.

But if we lynch town-Rufflig today, and RC shoots scum-fate tonight, you get to spend all of LyLo making fun of me and Fate before you hammer IS for the win. You can spend days making fun of us! And we have to sit there and watch and listen.

Isn't that much better than just having the game end during the night?

[GreyICE]

No RC. Line by line, tell me the fault.

1) We lynch Rufflig. According to you, he flips town.
2) You use your 1-shot vig. You shoot Fate. fate is lying, flips zombie. Night kill is either you or me, since we're now both confirmed town.
3) LyLo is You/Me + Raivenn + Internet Stranger. We lynch Stranger, good game.

If you truly believed that it was Fate+IS, you'd leap at this. But it's not.

[GreyICE]

Ruffles - do you suspect RC?

[GreyICE]

Okay, so do you suspect Raivann?

[GreyICE]

Then we're in the same boat. RedCoyote shoots Fate, and either him or me is alive tomorrow, and we lynch Internet Stranger. Self hammering here guarantees a town win.

[GreyICE]

Also, Rufflig, tomorrow is MyLo. If RC shoots Fate, and Fate NKs RC, then the living players are Me, You, Raivann, and IS. If we no-lynch there, then I just die.

I would still have to choose between you and Internet Stranger. How do I know this isn't an elaborate bus? Fate's good enough to pull it off. Self-hammering here removes an unconfirmed town who confirmed town suspects from LyLo.

I promise you I will lynch Internet Stranger if you are dead and Fate is scum.

You want to bring another unconfirmed townie to MyLo rather than leaving it a clean LyLo? Silly. Put aside your pride, and self hammer for the town.

[GreyICE]

Oh well. If the claim is bullshit, RC, risk it. Remember, town started off with this role. Whatever else we may or may not know, it was a town role to start with. So if it's a bullshit role, it's bullshit. There's no scumteam here, no scum power roles outside of cult recruiter. Just town roles and converts.

You can't say that Rufflig's behavior is town. He's scum, no questions.

[GreyICE]

Fate... that's why I had you targeting Raivann tonight. Believe me, if you flip dead or are living, we will be killing RedCoyote, no ifs, ands, or buts. I know the grand, grand fun of vigging scum, but don't fuck up LyLo.

Raivann is the call. He's VT, confirm him, die, and we'll get rid of RedCoyote. Period.

[GreyICE]

No one is a surefire bet for cult RC. There's a few people that are a surefire bet for town, but this is Chesskid. He'd never recruit BV310, Ender, Wraith, Raivann, but most of those are DEAD.

It's simple, RC. You've waffled on this before, you're waffling right now. Does Fate have the power role or not? Yes or no? Your position appears to be that the claim is total obvious bullshit, and that we can't possibly follow my plan because the claim is probably legit and you'll get roleblocked. It's just whatever I want to hear to get me to Vote: Fate. And that ain't happening.

As for cavalier, I consider this game pretty lulzy up until now, yes. One vig shot the other vig (who was obvtown). Two people got modkilled. We deadline no lynched. The cult recruiter was outed by his recruit. If you don't consider this game an enormous comedy before today, then you've got a very different sense of humor from me.

[GreyICE]

And Fate: If you RB RC tomorrow so that you survive his claimed "vig shot" I'll have to lynch you. Which would leave a little, tiny outside possibility that Raivann was recruited by Chesskid for some epically crazy reason, and that Raivann wins the game.

Use your power on Raivann. We'll have nothing but confirmed town and scum in LyLo.

[GreyICE]

Oh god. And Raivann, if you fuck this game up for us... please don't. If Fate flips town, IS is not scum.

[GreyICE]

Yeaah, maybe we better just use it on RC...

[GreyICE]

Raivann will see the logic. Ruffles call for no lynch is so desperate.
"Please don't go through this crippling lynch on me!"
"No, I wanna see fate be proved scum, I don't wanna die for the good of the town!"

[GreyICE]

If Fate flips town after being lynched and is telling the truth, it's a guaranteed victory.

I do actually think this statement is correct.

[GreyICE]

It isn't. If you mislynch me at MYLO and RC is zombie, we lose.

Don't tell me you're buying his doublekilling Roleblocking zombie bullshit

No. I just think that his victory condition is fulfilled.

I just doubt that I share it.

[GreyICE]

From scum perspective, order of likelihood
1) RC + Rufflig:
Path: Lynch Fate

2) Fate+IS
Path: Lynch Rufflig, RB RC

3) Rufflig+Raivann
Path: None, they've already lost. If RC is alive tomorrow as confirmed town, we lynch Fate and RC shoots Raivann.

No lynch

1) RC dies, Rufflig lives. If Fate dies and flips cop, 2 confirmed town, if Fate lives, just no lynch and he kills Ruffles rather than try to convince Raivann to lynch Ruffles
2) Kill me, roleblock RC, try to convince Raivann to vote for Ruffles since RC will be "confirmed town."
3) They win, because Fate gets lynched tomorrow.

Why the following teams are impossible:

IS + non-Fate: Cop clear
RC+Fate: They would just vote one or the other, and win
RC+Raivann: Only path to victory is no lynch, neither advocates that.
Fate+Rufflig: Borderlines of possible, but really too stupid for words.

Thoughts:

Raivann+Rufflig scumteam

is very possible because Rufflig is screaming for a no lynch, and Raivann is voting fate. Lynching fate secures the win for this team, No lynching secures the win because tomorrow town-RC lynches town-fate, and they win. Lynching scum Rufflig, on the other hand, just causes a mislynch of Fate, which town-RC solves by shooting Raivann in the skull. IS is left standing very confused in the crater that was this town.

Rufflig+RC scumteam

is very possible, because of what we are watching play out in thread.

IS+Fate scumteam

just don't buy it on interactions.

IS+Ruffles

: Fate may be crazy, but he ain't stupid. Raivann is such an EASY mislynch.

[GreyICE]

Oh yeah, and Fate+IS loses if Fate doesn't have some sort of roleblock in any case, because tonight scum-Fate gets shot, and Town-RC and Town-Raivann lynch scum-IS.

So voting Rufflig is really my safest and best option. That's using engineering.

Using my head, IS is clearly not scum, and Fate+RC would have won already, Fate+Raivann would have won already, and Fate+Rufflig is the most epically stupid bus of all time ever. It would beat me being scum and shooting other-scum rather than winning.

[GreyICE]

Sure. I'll just use my doublevoter power...

[GreyICE]

Seriously, I've spent a long time crafting a very good case why whoever is town amongst RC and Raivann should vote Rufflig. I hope they're listening.

[GreyICE]

Rufflig, there was an off chance you're town, and the scumteam was Fate+IS.

I mean you might as well claim scum in thread at this point, but the possibility was there. If you were, you win by hammering as long as Fate doesn't have roleblocker component to his power, which you clearly didn't know about at the time - I'd missed it too, in point of fact, though it makes a certain kind of sense (it's basically a modified jailkeeper).

As is, I know for a fact that you're a zombie, so we're working on #2. I lean Red Coyote.

[GreyICE]

<3 Tony

<3

<3

Seriously not joking when I say I will play in your next game.
As long as you promise there's no cult.

[GreyICE]

Raivann will see the light. Yes he will. Right? Maybe Red Coyote is town? He could always switch his vote and prove it to be true...

They have to kill you tonight if we no lynch, so tomorrow you'll flip town whatchamacallit, and then IS will be mod confirmed. And with 4 alive, and 2 mod confirmed town, and known scum, we have a hope.

[GreyICE]

Come on Raivann, if it's IS & Fate, I'll change my signature to

"Raivann is always right and I'm an idiot"

for a month. You know that would be a hysterical signature for me to have.

[GreyICE]

I just... for some bizarre reason, I don't want to lose this.

[GreyICE]

Oh this is funny. I was starting to get suspicious when Raivann refused to vote. What I don't understand now is why he did it anyways. I can only assume that if he was the vig that shot RC, he would have claimed as such yesterday and refuted Fate's claim.
I don't understand why Raivann didn't push for the no lynch. If we were at 3v3 with a vigshot, we. Would be a 2v2 today and I would get the vigshot if Fate had died. I'm assuming that Fate still has the shotgun or whatever.

I think the scum play should have been no lynch and eat ICE, then no lynch again and eat me and then win. So I don't know why Raivann did what he did.
And damn, I can't imagine Fate fakeclearing me when he could have just won instead as scum.

With that in mind, assuming the zombies ate ICE as predicted, the obvious choice is to vote Raivann.

I'm a little miffed that I didn't get to shoot anyone and that I wasn't recruited.
It looks like Jack had royally fucked us, but then Starbuck saved us.

My biggest fear is that Fate is actually scum, BUT, considering Raivanns actions, I can just blame him if that happens.

vote:Raivann

BRAINS

BRAINS


BRAINS

BRAINS


0.0000000000005 SECONDS AFTER IS SAW THE FLIP I PMED TONY "FATE IS THIRD PARTY."

HEY IS, MATH TIME. 4:2 MyLo AND ALL THE SCUM DIE.

IT'S 2:1. WHO DO YOU LYNCH?

THE GUY WHO CLAIMED A KILLING ROLE BECAUSE HE'S THE FUCKING SERIAL KILLER YE FUCKING GODS.

MAFIA 101.


FUCK.

THIS.

GAME.

[GreyICE]

I DON'T CARE THAT HE WAS TOWN UNTIL HE LYNCHED RUFFLES. THAT WAS EVIL.

IF ALL THE SCUM ARE DEAD, LYNCH THE ASS WITH THE KILLING ROLE. ITS HIM. JESUS WEEPS.

Just walking away right now.

Don't. Even. Care.

[GreyICE]

DUDE, TONY.

FATE COULD NOT WIN

BOTH SCUM WERE DEAD. HE CLAIMED A KILLING ROLE. ANYONE WITH THREE FUNCTIONAL BRAIN CELLS CAN FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.

AND HE WON.

THAT AIN'T EVEN POSSIBLE.

GODDAMN I'D BE HAPPY TOO EVEN IF THIS GAME WAS SO DUMB THAT THE

FUCKING SERIAL KILLER WAS TOWN UNTIL 2:1 LYLO SO DIDN'T KNOW NOT TO CLAIM A KILLING ROLE

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

[GreyICE]

I laid out my argument. Raivann's stubbornness for voting Rufflig led me to believe that he was a third zombie. As town should have hopped all over Rufflig, I had 0 faith in Raivann at the time no matter the outcome.

I didnt care what Fate's claim actually was, I assumed he was a 1 shot vig as town since I knew RC's claim was fake.

Why would I lynch Fate based on what Raivann was doing? Raivann was superlurking and voting on the wrong side the entire time. I completely dismissed Raivann based on his play the entire game. I got foiled by a surprise mechanic.

No.

You lynch the guy who claimed the killing role.

OBVIOUSLY.

Raivann was OBVTOWN.

Think about it. If there were three zombies and three town THE GAME WAS OVER THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFIRMED TOWN.

SO WHOSE THE SERIAL KILLER?

Oh. Oh yeah. OBVIOUSLY.

Don't tell me "some mechanic" herp derp, if all the scum are dead and the game is ongoing, find the guy with a killing role and LYNCH HIM.

[GreyICE]

ICE, if Fate was a 1 shot vig, the exact situation would have happened. It would be 2v1 regardless. I had no way of knowing if CK started with 1 zombie or not.

Okay, so lemme get this straight.

Your theory was that there were three zombies in a 6 man game. And we were still playing. Then one of the zombies jumped off a town wagon onto a scum wagon. Because of a signature bet that he KNEW FOR A FACT he couldn't win.

*headdesk*

You NEVER lynch the obvious candidate in LyLo especially if all the scum are dead and the GAME IS STILL ONGOING.

[GreyICE]

Look at his posts. They're all like "oh my god, what the hell did Tony DO to me? This is so HORRIBLE!"