Mini 1113 - Brotherhood of the Wolf Mafia

[Mariyta]

Because Kats flipped JK, which is essentially a take on RB, and someone suggested that the reason there was no NK last night was because of an RB, not a doc. I think the likelihood of having both a JK and an RB in the game would be low, so I wanted to know if anyone has actually seen both in one game.

[CooLDoG]

I have never seen a role block and a Jail keeper in the same game. They are sorta forms of the same thing.

[StrangerCoug]

Because Kats flipped JK, which is essentially a take on RB, and someone suggested that the reason there was no NK last night was because of an RB, not a doc. I think the likelihood of having both a JK and an RB in the game would be low, so I wanted to know if anyone has actually seen both in one game.

If I remember SWN II correctly, it had that combo.

[Untrod Tripod]

I have never seen a role block and a Jail keeper in the same game. They are sorta forms of the same thing.

E6) Expect the unexpected. Do not assume that standard expectations are applicable to the game.

Relevant.

[GhostWriter]

Holy crap, this blew up. Give me a chance to catch-up on what's going on here. Yesterday has completely fucked up my reads.

[AlmasterGM]

Helllloooo posting.

Will catch up later today.

[LimMePls]

I've played in a large theme that had both. Never a mini.

[CooLDoG]

rule e6 seems rather odd... but I seriously doubt a role block and jk.

[GreyICE]

Fuck it, I have all sorts of speculation about the setup right now, but the only thing I plan to reveal about it is that if CooLDoG is scum that's a fucking excellent fakeclaim because it matches my speculation.

Katsuki was a Roleblocker, not a Jailkeep btw.

[Untrod Tripod]

Katsuki was a Roleblocker, not a Jailkeep btw.

Katsuki - Sylvia, Seductress [Town Redirector / Modified Jailkeeper] has been lynched.

[Mariyta]

Standard JK stuff. Except that they can't be targetted by ANY actions.

No QT, actions, or targetted by actions for one day/night cycle; until the following "daybreak".

5. Katsuki - Sylvia, Seductress [Town Redirector / Modified Jailkeeper] lynched Day 1.

You're right. Clearly, Kats wasn't a Jailkeeper...

[GreyICE]

Oh. Anyway, she stated that she needed to post in the thread to use her Jailkeeper powers. So they're very very likely to be 1-shot.

Is this going in a useful direction, or are we just futzing around because we're waiting for more fucking lurkers to show up?

[Mariyta]

Because Kats flipped JK, which is essentially a take on RB, and someone suggested that the reason there was no NK last night was because of an RB, not a doc. I think the likelihood of having both a JK and an RB in the game would be low, so I wanted to know if anyone has actually seen both in one game.

I'm just thinking about what the NK could mean. I'm thinking a doc protect is more likely at this point, but as you mentioned, the JK could possibly be a 1-shot thing, so it wouldn't rule out an RB completely. For those who will freak out (ZOMGMOREROLEFISHING), we garner more info from a roleblock than a doc protect, hence the reason it matters.

[Mariyta]

EBWOP: Or I should say "we garner more directly useful info"


And yeah, waiting on the lurkers.

[GreyICE]

Okay, that's fair enough. I'm not overly thrilled about the Roleblocker claiming at this point though. Huh. Well I'll leave it up to them if they want to claim it, breadcrumb it in case they flip, or leave it for tomorrow. How people want to use and breadcrumb their powers is up to them.

Last setup thought: I have a night power and a day power. My day power is a 1-shot governor, and using it disables my night power in exactly the way CooLDoG described. That leads me to believe Kats did the exact same thing with hers. I don't have a real problem claiming this, because I think Governor is a horrible, anti-town ability and have no real intention of using it unless some one could give me a great fucking reason to. Its use in MPM [Redacted - Ongoing] and I've never seen it help the town anywhere else either. My night power is much, much cooler, but I'm not going into it today.

So, we're done. Lets wait for AGM and fucking Zang.

[Mariyta]

I guess I should have said

No one claim

, but I'm relying on people being smart enough to realize that I'm not asking for a claim.

Governor... I've seen both scum and town governors. But either way, as you said, it rarely does any good. Saving a lynch candidate from a lynch is typically anti-town.

[GreyICE]

Oh fuck. Uh, sorry guys, didn't mean to post that, that's my thought pattern on why CooLDoG is town. Okay, yeah.

No one fucking claim.

VI: GreyICE for being fucking stupid on painkillers.

[CooLDoG]

yes, if you use your day powers you lose your night powers. I don't find a gov to be useful at all ether... but I have seen both scum and town (mostly town) govs.

[Zang]

NK speculation is usually not a great plan, but I think in this case it would be good to examine how not killing someone would help scum.

I really don't see why it matters why there is no kill. The fact is that there was no kill and no matter how much we speculate, it doesn't help the town.

hard to read/no-read:
Mina
Zang
StrangerCoug
Slightly scummy:
LynchMePls (I'm feeling more town vibes as of late. But she still needs to pick up the content... badly)
scummy!:
Zang(lurky lurk lurk )
UncertainKitten (scummy period.)
Untrod Tripod (shit posting).

So am I hard to read or scummy?

Untrod Tripod and Zang are my other suspects, but I need to read UT a bit closer. I'll continue my Day 1 push on Zang in the meantime.

And I'll continue my day 1 push on you.

Vote: StrangerCoug

Third, how likely would it be to have both an RB and a JK? I don't think I've seen both together

I've modded a game with both a jailkeeper and Roleblocker.

Wait—you think Zang could be scum, yet I'm scummy for voting him? Unless you think I'm bussing him, this makes no sense. FoS.

Maybe that's because your reasons for voting me are terrible.

Because Kats flipped JK, which is essentially a take on RB, and someone suggested that the reason there was no NK last night was because of an RB, not a doc. I think the likelihood of having both a JK and an RB in the game would be low, so I wanted to know if anyone has actually seen both in one game.

Why is a jailkeeper more like a Roleblocker than a doc?

Last setup thought: I have a night power and a day power. My day power is a 1-shot governor, and using it disables my night power in exactly the way CooLDoG described

I don't think I've ever played with a governor although it does seem like an anti-town role.

[StrangerCoug]

Wait—you think Zang could be scum, yet I'm scummy for voting him? Unless you think I'm bussing him, this makes no sense. FoS.

Maybe that's because your reasons for voting me are terrible.

Well, I'm not the only person that needs to learn how to read, now am I?

Reread #1020. Mariyta considers you a suspect as well. She also clarified that she never discussed my vote on you.

[Zang]

I know she did. But your reason for voting me is still terrible.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm having trouble figuring out what dots to connect here then. That Mariyta thinks you're scum because my vote reason sucks is absolutely ridiculous, that I'm scummy for voting you because my vote reason sucks doesn't match up with her case on me, and that I'm bussing you because my vote reason sucks would implicate both of us.

[Zang]

Mariyta never mentioned your vote on me.

[StrangerCoug]

And how am I supposed to deduce from that that my case on you sucks?

[Zang]

I wasn't commenting on Mariyta's case, but on your comment.