268: Bugsy Malone Mafia - Game over. Mod learns lesson

[broomhead]

FOS: alexander

, only because he was in my last game and he was quite good at minipulating people. thats all i really have to say considering no one else has said a word in the whole game.

[Tamuz]

vote: Fritzler

For bandwagoning

[Fritzler]

Vote: Tamuz

[Pariah]

FOS: alexander

, only because he was in my last game and he was quite good at minipulating people. thats all i really have to say considering no one else has said a word in the whole game.

FoS: Broomhead

for FoSing someone based on the possibility they could be manipulating people...before they even post.

[Adele]

Random

vote: Talitha

[Foolster41]

Don't really feel like random voting this time.

[MeMe]

vote: broomhead

Welcome to MafiaScum!

[Aelyn]

*wipes off custard*

So. This is showbiz, huh?

*hautily walks away*

[Tamuz]

Don't really feel like random voting this time.

Random?

[broomhead]

pfft, i have a FOS and a vote, take that, show biz hate me more

[Foolster41]

Tamuz:

ran·dom Audio pronunciation of "Random" ( P )
adj.
1. Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective: random movements. See Synonyms at chance.
2. Mathematics & Statistics. Of or relating to a type of circumstance or event that is described by a probability distribution.
3. Of or relating to an event in which all outcomes are equally likely, as in the testing of a blood sample for the presence of a substance.
4.The customary begining of a mafia game

I know, not all of the votes at the begining are random. But most of them are.
By the way, when did fritz bandwagon? I asume you mean another game.

[Tamuz]

Preemptive bandwagoning accusation. He hasn't yet but he will.
Custom's don't last when the whole world has been opened up to them. Eventually they change to the influx or the influx takes the customsof those there. Why live with your customs when others have been shown to you. Eventually you will give in to the social pressure. Just like the new players have started doing random votes at the begginings of their 2nd and 3rd games because people random voted in their first games and they steal such a custom.

Now I implore you to stop voting randomly and customarily in your first game, but rather to begin with a guided vote.

[Adele]

Preemptive bandwagoning accusation. He hasn't yet but he will.
Custom's don't last when the whole world has been opened up to them. Eventually they change to the influx or the influx takes the customsof those there. Why live with your customs when others have been shown to you. Eventually you will give in to the social pressure. Just like the new players have started doing random votes at the begginings of their 2nd and 3rd games because people random voted in their first games and they steal such a custom.

Now I implore you to stop voting randomly and customarily in your first game, but rather to begin with a guided vote.

Tamuz, you explain how random voting may become a habit, but not why that is a bad thing.

Just to clarify, you're against voting randomly, preferring to vote someone for doing something (admittedly very annoying) that not only has he not yet done in this game, but that is his habit - so if he does go ahead and bandwagon, your statement seems to imply that that isn't scummy behaviour for him. Correct?

My vote, I must confess, was not precisely speaking "random", but arbitrary (based not on chance, but impulse, caprice or whimsy). I didn't use a randomiser, but ran my eye down the list and picked the first to jump out at me. The reason I didn't use the correct term was because I couldn't remember it but so nearly could; it was on the tip of my tongue, which was, by the by, way irritating. Anyway.
Do you

really

want Fritzler to get lynched? If everyone else jumped on your vote real quick and he died, would you like that? I hope not that'd be a bit nuts.

I submit, therefore, that your vote was a little arbitrary too.

Why are we voting at all at this point in the game? It stimulates discussion, right? So if you, like me, are kinda new and don't know everyone too well (though I am familiar with Fritz's yen for the bandwagon), I reckon a random or arbitrary vote might be a sensible starting behaviour.

[Foolster41]

I said I DIDN'T want to random vote. I said it's a custom, but not one that's nessicerly a correct one (Thus no random voting this time)

I agree with what Adele said, though I'm not sure about the strategy of choosing a name that "jumps out".

[broomhead]

but then, how else would you choose to start a mafia game? if no one get disscussion rolling, then no one says anything and nothing gets done, i mean even from the few random votes that have happened, you can tell alot by the people who react to being voted for and the people who are just natural defenders and will defend no matter weather they are the votee or not.

[Talitha]

I usually just look for a likely looking

victim

person to put a second vote on.

vote: broomhead

[broomhead]

yey for being the first bandwagon-ee

[Foolster41]

I don't want to be misunderstood.
I don't nessicerly find anything perticularly wrong with random voting, but I guess i'm less sure of it's use and I feel like doing something a little different this time.

[Adele]

I don't want to be misunderstood.
I don't nessicerly find anything perticularly wrong with random voting, but I guess i'm less sure of it's use and I feel like doing something a little different this time.

That's cool as far as I'm concerned. I assumed that you were talking about your own plans, but not asking anything of others. My question was aimed at Tamuz, as to whether and why random voting's not the right action for someone relatively new to the game.

Tamuz seemed to be asking others not to random vote ("Now I implore you to stop voting randomly and customarily in your first game, but rather to begin with a guided vote") and, though this isn't my first game, I'm "Newbie" class (1 completed game), so I thought it applied to me too. I tried to think of a good alternative to random voting (or arbitrary voting, which I tend towards because all this dice stuff bugs me), and failed.

In the interests of not misunderstanding you, when you say "I guess i'm less sure of it's use and I feel like doing something a little different this time", Foolster, do you mean this game's different than others or just that it's time to try something different? Ta.

[chaotic_diablo]

vote chaotic_diablo

[Adele]

ay caramba

Chaotic Diablo, because that always turns out so well...
Why? It's not like we aren't already talking.

[chaotic_diablo]

I have the right of random voting myself if I want to. Besides, I don't want to join a conversation that has something to do with random voting.

[Adele]

Well, the only chance of it throwing up an interesting conversation is if you proceed to get overly defensive. Which would also be kinda cool. Willya do it? go on, be weird about it; accuse it of being a metagame OMGUS vote!

It'd be true in a way, because you've voted for you before. Now you're voting back, and some might say that's not fair...

[Foolster41]

[quote]In the interests of not misunderstanding you, when you say "I guess i'm less sure of it's use and I feel like doing something a little different this time", Foolster, do you mean this game's different than others or just that it's time to try something different? Smile[quote]
The second one. Just to make things a little different...

I have to give you points for originality, chaotic, I've never heard of someone random voting themselves at the opening. I'm even

less

sure about what kind of point there is from random voting yourself.

[chaotic_diablo]

Well, the only chance of it throwing up an interesting conversation is if you proceed to get overly defensive. Which would also be kinda cool. Willya do it? go on, be weird about it; accuse it of being a metagame OMGUS vote!

It'd be true in a way, because you've voted for you before. Now you're voting back, and some might say that's not fair...

Sure, why not? I accuse myself of having a metagaming OMGUS vote.

I defend that my vote isn't metagaming since it is randomly selected.

I counter that I voted myself for the last few games.

I reply that there was only one name in the hat.

I concede defeat and drop my accusation.