Mafia 125: Khan's Game of Mafia (Game Over)

[yabbaguy]

*Disclaimer #2: I realize scumvenience and its derivations are words that haven't been used for years.

[yabbaguy]

selfish x3 post to make sure this lands on the new page I stupidly created.

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Here's a gem! Watch this screwy reaction between Chevre and nocase. It's like she thinks he's scummy... and probably does... except not!

*Disclaimer: I fully acknowledge that the usage of fancy area tags does not automatically make my case correct.

All quotes Chevre and numbered by ISO view.

Chevre's Wishy-Washy Language

nocase has claimed that he has a post-restriction. Of course, in a Normal game, I'm immediately suspicious, but I want him to explain his restriction as much as he can.

More information and views are better, and the most vital view here is that of the person who claimed such an unbelievable thing.

The underlined bit is a clunky, needless explanation. She starts to begin to say that she's suspicious but wants to hold back from it.

That being said, nocase and inHimshallibe, why would you lie about having a post restriction? Certain philosophies would have you lynched under that statement.

"Just sayin."

Take a stance.

nocase, I find that very anti-town of you, to say that Xalxe is not scumhunting and then when he asks you a legitimate question of elaboration, you tell him to stop posting. How is that going to help us?

But not scummy.

Flip to nocase for a sec. All quotes him now.

nocase being abnormally tentative

no, it was a perfectly straightforward question.

why aren't you voting anyone?

vote: chevre, i guess.

From a man who shows abnormal confidence and recklessness, tagging that "i guess" on is an interesting contrast. I don't see that anywhere else in the ISO.

@chevre, i would rather not waste my time justifying to you something that i do habitually.

Preferably, he wouldn't want to, not some rash GTFO-ish remark like expected. Why's he being so nice to Chevre?

nocase's scumvenient swap

unvote. vote: chevre. that last post was awesomely indecisive.

Now this did happen as well. But then this comes back after a mere post from DGB.

actually, i'm skeptical about xalxe.

That is NOTHING other than fencesitting. Swap the vote if you're that unsure. And then, only after Chevre gets 3 more votes stacked on her...

dhjkfgdklfjghsgadfhdskjgh.

unvote.

vote: xalxe. yeahhh.

And the swap comes at a scumvenient time. There was quite a bit of contention over the issue of whether or not Xalxe was scummier, but I think there's everything to gain for nocase to jump ship at that point if he and Chevre are scum alike.

I've changed my mind. Chevre, then nocase presuming a red flip from the former, and then we proceed from there.

More votes on Chevre please.[/quote]

[Xalxe]

Yabbs, while the triple post was unnecessary, I concur. I've been preaching this for pages.

[Chevre]

yabbaguy, I've given nocase multiple opportunities to explain why what he did was pro-town. He hasn't. Therefore, I still see it as anti-town. That is a firm stance. It means that until I get further explanation, I don't see how it could help the town in anyway, but it isn't suspicious. Doing something like that would bring heaps of attention upon oneself.

Maybe you can give us your opinion on nocase's post restriction, and whether it was suspicious, anti-town, or otherwise?

Also, I'm sorry if you find that underlined passage "chunky." It's just how I think; It comes through clear as a crystalline bell to me.

Xalxe, saying "lynch Chevre" is not equivalent to what yabbaguy's attempting to say. You never gave much solid reasoning for your vote on me; even when you originally placed the vote, it looked like you were praising me a bit in the same post.

[RedCoyote]

Have you really, Xalxe? Would you mind if I checked your post history to verify this, because offhand I am doubting many of your posts have been standing on a soapbox in favor of lynching Chevre, and they certainly haven't been going on "for pages". I could be wrong though. Do I need to go back and check or do you want to backtrack a little bit?

[Xalxe]

I believe everyone on Seraphim and Jerbs should remove their votes and join us in lynching chevre.

RC, this is from page 16. Nice try.

[RedCoyote]

Yeah, that's one. Hardly what I'd call "preaching for pages". The reason I even bring it up is because you seem very passive this game.

[nocase]

pro-town ≠ explaining every little think you do, especially when it's obvious.

i didn't think i was being nice to chevre.

even if i was being nice to chevre, i don't see how that's a scum team tell, but cool.

[nocase]

also CAN WE PLEASE GET ON WITH THE LYNCH. if you don't want to lynch werewolf then get over it, that's who we're lynching today. i've got ants in my goddamn pants.

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh, alright. And I could hang Gorrad, too, so don't be timid hopping on his wagon, I'll help that one happen, too.

VOTE: Chevre

[Dutch one]

also CAN WE PLEASE GET ON WITH THE LYNCH. if you don't want to lynch werewolf then get over it, that's who we're lynching today. i've got ants in my goddamn pants.

true, there are to many people who are sticking with their votes on WW (including me), there is no way someone else will be lynched at the end of the day. So please stop acting so extremely cockey, WW will be lynched. Learn to live with it. The only thing that you are achieving with this is that the day will end later. And even that is stupid, if the day ends earlier and if WW is lynched, then everyone will need to jump on another wagon, so if we lynch werewolf now then your suspects will probably lynched earlier, instead of waiting another 2 months. Just vote Werewolf, he is the only "possible" lynching candidate for now, there is no way someone else is going to be lynched. And it will be a lot better if the day finally ends. If the day ends, then we will see his alignment, wich arguments were true and wich weren't. The nightkills will be displayed etc, so we will be a lot further in the game then we are now. Notice that although it looks like we are in the middle of the game, it is still day one. Usually we should've still been busy with things like RVS, but it's to late for that now. So we are using "real evidence" while there isn't any. So please let this day end, just vote WW, he is the most suspicious candidate, and he is going to be lynched anyway

[Dutch one]

Oh, alright. And I could hang Gorrad, too, so don't be timid hopping on his wagon, I'll help that one happen, too.

VOTE: Chevre

Why do you call him town first, and vote for him a couple of posts later while you've never changed any opinion about him. And there hasn't been any real evidence either. If I weren't voting for WW, I would've voted for you now

[Dutch one]

With any real evidence, I mean any "new" evidence

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't think ww is scum.

He's just an easy, delicious and tender lynch, requiring no chewing. werewolf is like a lynch smoothie.

[nocase]

oh, and also in response to yabbaguy:

i was hesitant about voting chevre because i wasn't sure, because (GASP!) we were TWO PAGES INTO THE GAME SHOCKING I KNOW.

i didn't vote xalxe because i didn't yet feel he had overtaken chevre.

[SpyreX]

Sorry, I've been hit with the RL stick something fierce.

There hasn't been anything scummy from my point of view on me. There is a lack of activity, which I pursue in other games

Dutch is voting me on meta
-possible scum?

Farside is saying things that i've "done" without presenting examples
-Hypocratic Scum?

Antihero is voting me because i'm not a "noob"
-basically saying that I am not playing experienced and deserving of a vote
-SCUM

ckd votes me for using "recycled reasoning"
-nobody had used that reasoning before...

RC is voting me for meta
-Scummy move
Personally, I find the voting for meta most scummy

Gorrad-scum is voting for me

Antihero and Chevre have been voting me for some time
-not really wagon jumping

This is your reads?
"Everyone on my wagon is scum"

NOICE

At least its not like you've went on the ultra defensive to things obviously contextually not even related to you though.

Ohh, wait.

And the new contender:

NOW EXCUSE ME.

BUT.

WHY.

THE FUCK.

IS THE CHEVRE WAGON DYING?

Wasn't quite 72 hours here. Still calling myself prodless on the yGDB.

Chevre made a lot of sense whilst I was reading. Let me go back and make a meaningful ISO case.

among other things.

Now, I'll admit, at THIS point I thought we had some towns BUT:

I've changed my mind.

Chevre, then nocase presuming a red flip from the former, and then we proceed from there.

More votes on Chevre please.

I need the thought process here really defined because it sure looks like you came in with a solid read considering you said you agreed with your predecessor, said you were going to reread because all of a sudden it made sense AND THEN came back with the starting position after saying you changed your mind.

Whaaa

BUT, its time to move ahead.

Unvote, Vote: werewolf

[PokerFace]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2744751
I thought You were trying to say what chevre post was fluff but

I'm not sure what i'm trying to prove.
I just feel like pointing some things out.

If you are not sure what you are trying to prove then why are you pointing things out? Feels like you are adding fuel to the fire while not being directly involved

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Actually a decent point has been raised:

@Sera:

What made you jump immediately to 'town wacky hijinks' instead of him lying as scum or telling the truth?

Where did seraphim jump to that conclusion? I may have missed it so I'd apreciate it. So much sinus pressure in my head, I feel like I'm missing alot in the game. Itchy watery eyes make reading the game almost unbearable

Read 1-12 I'll try to do more later

[SpyreX]

Also until nocase posts something legitimate regarding a post restriction I'm just going to ignore it wheee.

[SpyreX]

Oops, that was supposed to be quoted PF

[DrippingGoofball]

Come on SpyreX, going for the easy lynch? I thought you were a POWERFUL WIZARD, but you're nothing but a lollipop snatcher!

[SpyreX]

At this point?

YES. YES I AM.

And dont forget how wroth I am with you because I'm pretty sure after all the talk of voting Gorrad you never, ever did it.

YOU were the one I posted all the words for. Because I thought you could help get it done.

But, no, alas.

[yabbaguy]

I. @Chevre
II. @nocase
III. @SpyreX
IV. werewolf = Town

yabbaguy, I've given nocase multiple opportunities to explain why what he did was pro-town. He hasn't. Therefore, I still see it as anti-town. That is a firm stance. It means that until I get further explanation, I don't see how it could help the town in anyway, but it isn't suspicious. Doing something like that would bring heaps of attention upon oneself.

No. You've been pointing out to him that he's doing things that are anti-Town without really saying how you feel about it... like you're saying it just 'cause you can tell him that he's being anti-Town.

It's scumbuddy coaching.

nocase's game start is indicative of nothing other than the desire to start the game with something entertaining, IMO.

The chunky passage is really you lying through your teeth and trying to say gobbledygook that sounds pro-Town.

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pro-town ≠ explaining every little think you do, especially when it's obvious.

i didn't think i was being nice to chevre.

even if i was being nice to chevre, i don't see how that's a scum team tell, but cool.

Point one is irrelevant.

Basically, you interact with Chevre in a noticeably different way than the other players. Phrases such as "I guess" and "would rather not" are the bits of conservative language that you've used with Chevre and, as far as I can tell, nobody else. That's the niceness of it all.

Attacking Chevre less forcefully leads to her not looking like as much of a big deal. That's where the scum motive enters.

also CAN WE PLEASE GET ON WITH THE LYNCH. if you don't want to lynch werewolf then get over it, that's who we're lynching today. i've got ants in my goddamn pants.

I'm not going to stop trying for Chevre and you. It will happen.

i was hesitant about voting chevre because i wasn't sure, because (GASP!) we were TWO PAGES INTO THE GAME SHOCKING I KNOW.

pfft. You clearly thought her as the as-sure-as-can-be suspect then. Even at that point, I don't believe you as Town would show that timidness. That's the thought.

i didn't vote xalxe because i didn't yet feel he had overtaken chevre.

Saw that coming. The problem is that you have everything to gain as scum for swapping at that point. That Chevre wagon was gaining steam then, and you slipped out the back only then. The fact of the matter is that your timing sucks and that this argument hits a brickwall automatically.

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@SpyreX: I'm confused.

Read my things again. The second post says:

Chevre made a lot of sense whilst I was reading

as in

Chevre-scum made a lot of sense whilst I was reading

and not

Chevre made a lot of sense with some very good points whilst I was reading

or maybe you're hanging on the fact on where exactly I changed my mind. I changed my mind as in I had my scumlist of 5 people, but then realized I was really sure about Chevre-nocase particularly as a scumpair. I then said, okay, let's abandon the others for the time being, lynch former, lynch latter, see what happens.

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I still think WW ain't scum. Please show me where he's done something actually scum motivated. Right now, I still think he's a "omg I'm drowning in a Large game" sort of player. Retaliating with the OH MY GOD EVERYONE ON MY WAGON SUCKS (OMGEOMWS) suspicion list could still just be the sign of anti-Town and not Mafia, for one.

I'm terrible at deriving conclusions from meta, but I'll make an attempt at it now.

[nocase]

Point one is irrelevant.

relevant to what chevre was just spewing, not to you.

Basically, you interact with Chevre in a noticeably different way than the other players. Phrases such as "I guess" and "would rather not" are the bits of conservative language that you've used with Chevre and, as far as I can tell, nobody else. That's the niceness of it all.

k.

Attacking Chevre less forcefully leads to her not looking like as much of a big deal. That's where the scum motive enters.

i attacked her less forcefully because my read on her was not strong.

I'm not going to stop trying for Chevre and you. It will happen.

all right, enjoy your stay.

pfft. You clearly thought her as the as-sure-as-can-be suspect then.

bullshit.

don't believe you as Town

wow, you must have quite the meta on me.

timidness

stop misconstruing uncertainty as timidity.

Saw that coming. The problem is that you have everything to gain as scum for swapping at that point. That Chevre wagon was gaining steam then, and you slipped out the back only then. The fact of the matter is that your timing sucks and that this argument hits a brickwall automatically.

my argument is perfectly reasonable. your confirmation bias is awesome.

i love all the vets in this game who think they can call scum teams on day one. here i was thinking that an ounce of experience would urge otherwise.

[curiouskarmadog]

behind, will catch up on sunday

[DrippingGoofball]

At this point?

YES. YES I AM.

And dont forget how wroth I am with you because I'm pretty sure after all the talk of voting Gorrad you never, ever did it.

YOU were the one I posted all the words for. Because I thought you could help get it done.

But, no, alas.

K, here.

VOTE: Gorrad