Open 276- Friends and Enemies Mafia (OVER)

[Fate]

YOURE DAMN RIGHT WE WENT DOWN THE WRONG ROAD.

IF WE HAD LYNCHED EMPKING SCUM I WOULDA BEEN THE HERO TO DIE AT NIGHT NOT ELMO.

BUT HELL HERE WE ARE, I LET MYSELF LYNCH OBVBAIT BECAUSE PARK FUCKING SUCKED

[Empking]

Fate, what is the main reason I'm scum?

Vote: NS

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

VOTE: Empking

Personally, I'd suggest that the main reason you're scum is that you recieved a scum role PM.

[Hoopla]

Empking is a sucky wagon, I don't think I can stop others so easily, but Fate, you should know better.

VOTE: flinter

Vote flinter with me Fate. You know you want my approval, and I will definitely approve of you if you help me.

[Fate]

Hoopla this isn't fucking clever at all. I know you're all arrogant in your scum QT

"Ffufuufufufufuufu. Townies are so easy to mislynch, Fate is so easy to manipulate, masons are so easy to kill."

BUT this cockiness will come before your fall.


Empking is scum, ParkNourie was the inferior wagon LIKE I FUCKING SAID, and I WAS RIGHT, so you should be sheeping ME if you were town.

[Hoopla]

Parknourie being an absolute tool hammering himself gave us no time between L-2 and hammer to reassess the situation, right when it's the perfect time to be collecting it - you cannot blame me for that there. I don't think the atmosphere felt right for Andrius/Empking to be a scum wagon competing with parknourie on D1.

[Fate]

I'm not blaming you for the self-hammer. But you and I BOTH know that there would've been no re-assing a situation and hopping off that mislynch, because he was a terrible player without the self-hammer.

ATMOSPHERE my ass Hoopla, you aren't even trying to make cases on your mislynch targets anymore you fuckin scumbag.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Empking

Empking (5): Fate, Nachomamma8, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Elmo, Nobody Special

ABR, what was wrong with this wagon?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Empking

Empking (5): Fate, Nachomamma8, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Elmo, Nobody Special

ABR, what was wrong with this wagon?

It's a good wagon, Andrius was flakey and inconsistent. Empking hasn't done anything however so I am finding it hard to conceive how Fate seems so convinced he is scum. I'd say Empking-Hoopla is a strong possibility, or else Empking-NS. What do you think?

[AlmasterGM]

Okay, so I was reading this game for no reason before there was a replacement slot open and I was DYING to get in JUST SO I COULD DO THIS:

Vote: Empking (aka Andrius)

There is NO WAY Andrius was town.

No.

Fucking.

Way.

First, he wouldn't replace out as town. He likes town and I think he likes this playerlist. However, he WOULD do it as scum because he hates scum and would have gotten frustrated. THAT ALONE IS SUFFICIENT TO CONVICT.

Second, he didn't DO ANYTHING. All his posts were PERFECTLY designed to look like they were saying something while actually saying absolutely nothing. This is in stark contrast to times when he LISTS SUSPECTS and doesn't ask pointless questions. This meta is SOLID.

Third, I am calling that post #1, where he jokes about the bus, IS LEGIT. I know Andrius fairly well and that smells so bad of IRONIC TRUTH.

I will read the rest of everything else this weekend, but right now I am 100% convinced this is the way to go.

[Fate]

Hey cool whoever AGM replaced was town apparently

[andrew94]

[

vote andrius

ok

[andrew94]

vote empking

my bad

[Nobody Special]

Empking, what's the main reason I'm scum?

[Hoopla]

Fate, you know what's going to suck? If Empking flips town, you've generated fuck all information from today's lynch, because an atmosphere for baseless/poorly reasoned votes was tolerated, to the point where you'll struggle to differentiate between them.

This is L-1 by the way, before someone stupidly hammers.

[andrew94]

unvote

its l2 now...

[Fate]

Fear mongering eh Hoopla?

I'm not afraid of you.

[Hoopla]

Fear mongering eh Hoopla?

I'm not afraid of you.

It isn't fear mongering. I just want you to acknowledge that this sort of town play is a severe risk if we're wrong, and no matter how right you think you are, it is likelier you're wrong, so this is a very real possibility.

[Nachomamma8]

...and so it begins.

[Hoopla]

...and so it begins.

What, a dissenting opinion on the avalanche of Empking votes? That doesn't seem slightly alarming to you at all? To me, it seems rather likely that this wagon is scum-fueled, and if so, why actively bus Empking when NS is an equally plausible wagon? I think that indicates Empking is town.

[Nachomamma8]

It's a good wagon, Andrius was flakey and inconsistent. Empking hasn't done anything however so I am finding it hard to conceive how Fate seems so convinced he is scum. I'd say Empking-Hoopla is a strong possibility, or else Empking-NS. What do you think?

I don't think Empking even has to figure in the equation. Andrius's play seals it for me.
Hoopla calling for the counterwagon then making absolutely no effort to create one makes her a decent choice for scum.
Not seeing NS scum, though.

[Hoopla]

It's a good wagon, Andrius was flakey and inconsistent. Empking hasn't done anything however so I am finding it hard to conceive how Fate seems so convinced he is scum. I'd say Empking-Hoopla is a strong possibility, or else Empking-NS. What do you think?

I don't think Empking even has to figure in the equation. Andrius's play seals it for me.
Hoopla calling for the counterwagon then making absolutely no effort to create one makes her a decent choice for scum.
Not seeing NS scum, though.

Andrius lurked HARDCORE as town, nearly getting modkilled for such poor inactivity in PYP4. This is why he appologised at the start of the game to me, and though he broke his vow, I don't think those on Andrius for that reason is a very good one, because it is null at best.

Can you explain what facet of his play was scummy besides lurking/flaking?

[Hoopla]

Hoopla calling for the counterwagon then making absolutely no effort to create one makes her a decent choice for scum.

Yep, me and that lack of effort;

Empking is a sucky wagon, I don't think I can stop others so easily, but Fate, you should know better.

VOTE: flinter

Vote flinter with me Fate. You know you want my approval, and I will definitely approve of you if you help me.

[Nachomamma8]

M'kay well that was the hammer IIRC.
Sorry to break the lynch-only-scum streak.
I'm town.

Apologies to the people; sorry I didn't get into this game fast enough and yeah. /ashamed

Sorry to disappoint Fate.

In PYP4, Andy was apologetic for the lurking.
In this game, Andy requested replacement without so much as a see ya post.
That's the difference between his town lurking and his scum lurking.

As for why he's scummy other than lurking, look at his response to pressure.
He doesn't take Fate's accusations toward him seriously, even when it becomes apparent Fate's suspicions were legitimate. But as soon as Fate switches to someone else, he sheeps him immediately and states that "Fate usually has a plan", ignoring Fate's previous suspicion. Then, when Fate goes back to suspecting him, he again doesn't take the suspicion seriously. It's like he couldn't find a way to defend himself other than just trying to brush everything off.

[Nachomamma8]

Hoopla calling for the counterwagon then making absolutely no effort to create one makes her a decent choice for scum.

Yep, me and that lack of effort;

Empking is a sucky wagon, I don't think I can stop others so easily, but Fate, you should know better.

VOTE: flinter

Vote flinter with me Fate. You know you want my approval, and I will definitely approve of you if you help me.

That's not effort to me.