@Ice
1. No, the subconcious association of Player and Avatar
does not relate to alignment
. It relates to identification. If you are playing multiple newbie games where this is common
it should be up to you to read the player's name
. If you group them all to the same person, under simillar reasonings, then you're forewarning us that we should expect you to be lazy through association. And that is not a town mindset.
2. The other response to the avatar one is: No I won't nao kthnks. Read my name.
3. I'm not saying you're scum because you want me to get an avatar. That is misrep. I'm saying that rather then analyze this game, you choose to focus on the avatar issue rather then comment on the Prana case, the Fate case, and the MoI case. You
chose to debate this over progressing any reads
.
I may have caused a positive feed back loop by continually bringining this point up, however you already have enough experience with my games to know my meta with/without avatars. You're saying that my lack of avatar is a distraction, but that cannot be the case when our experience together is insurmountable.
All of points 1-3 suggests a lazy way of thinking, and somone focused on theory based attacks rather then scum hunting.
4. You also ignored the fact that I attack MoI's interpretion of your vote on Fate. I said that one way to view your RV vote with Fate is scum bargaining lulz.
5. No I said that you and Chrono did the same thing. I said:
DTM wrote:How can
you
defend Fate, and criticize Chrono for doing the same thing?
Chrono questioned I quote:
Chrono wrote:Wait. how does Fate posting a picture from the KH wiki = Scumclaim?
You said I quote:
Ice wrote:Fate may be joking; I'm not sure. I was scum with him in SE2, so I know he knew that scum had gotten fakeclaims in earlier SE games. If they were randomly dropped here and Fate didn't mess with pre-game stuff, I could see him being confused. Seems like a pretty severe error for Fate to make, though.
You're point is invalid because you used the same rational as Chrono. Chrono asked how if the claim was a scum claim. You said that this was a joke. Though Chrono did not say specifically that it could have been the joke, both your and Chrono's premise leaves open the fact that: Fate could be fake claiming gambiting. By attacking Chrono, you attack your own implict questioning of: "Is this a fake claim?"
Chrono's rational is the
exact same of you
the moment you called out as a joke. Chrono did not do a Zod and vote Fate who thought he caught scum, he questioned the claim. You questioned the claim by calling it a joke, and by calling out the self vote as an indicator of a joke. Therefore, your rational and Chronos are the same. If you say that Chrono's rational for questioning the vote is in question
then your rational itself is in question because both arguments support the same reasoning
.
IMO: If Chrono was scum
why would Scum-Chrono derail a delicious Fate wagon? Hm?
. I wouldn't question it as much because Fate did post an "Oops Kise didn't give me a fake claim WTF" post. It's really easy to push. It'll be fast. Battle Mage Mafia with Tubby shows this.
There's little scum motivation to do this. I can't see it at least. But your vote on Chrono is contradictory, which reads as deliciously scummy.
@Avatar Debate
1. No. The end. Move on.
@MoI
1. RBT's second post on DAY 1 was a MILLAR claim. I wouldn't see a reason to question that tbh since it's still a DAY 1 MILLAR claim. I don't see the reasoning to this question. Answer this after RBT's response: What was the point of that question plz? Were you trying to scum hunting RBT?
2. I included Reboot just for technacalities since we both were in that game :p You are right though, the other games are better meta refrences.
3. LIAR MAN. I will show you how you inferred that Fate was behaving normally.
MoI wrote:Hmmm ... Fate so casually ignores a budding Vezok wagon ....
Interesting ...
Moi wrote:
DTMaster wrote:You better have a meta argument to back up your recent claim. What's so interesting about Fate ignoring Vezok (other then I would have preferred the day kill on that man)?
Read Fate’s post game series of rants in the recently ended
Objection Mafia Redux.
Then read [REDACTED].
--
Fate wrote:I have a heart, believe it or not.
...somewhere...
Is it in a small jar somewhere? And you really can’t tell me you’ve suddenly gone soft.
I directly questioned you on why the interaction was interesting. You gave meta links that showed Fate should show hostility towards Vezok. This is implied reasoning due to the link you gave.
You also directly said that: Fate is implausably acting soft and you don't believe that.
Two instances where you questioned Fate's behaviour, then switched to this POV.
MoI wrote:Fate’s was Fate.
Since when do I need to put words in your mouth when you said them for me already. :3 If you really believed that Fate was Fate
why would you bother saying that his interactions with Vezok was interesting
. There's no reason to unless you saw
something abnormal
that made you want to look into this/ make the town look into this.
You were able to IMPLICITLY say that there is a link between Vezok and Fate assuming one person flips scum
. You are back tracking by saying the meta link was just an observation
for the sake of observation
. And that's scummy since you're not scum hunting, you're just stating things for the sake of it without following through, mister "I have nothing to do with this so back off" liar.
2. Self presevation is different. Of course people defend themselves. But Ice didn't defend himself from an attack. He just hopped on Fate's good side by joining in the MoI wagon. That's not a town defence. If you're saying that the vote jump was simple self presevation from Fate observing Ice, that has a stronger scum motivation in the form called buddying. A town player would pursue his views without needing that. If he does get attacked I would expect him to defend, and continue scum hunting (i.e. I'm town for XYZ, this guy is scum for ABC, not Let's settle on this guy Fate, K? K.)
3. No, by meta you're saying that Fate should have been attacking
Vezok, not you
. That's the whole point of your assocation of Fate/Vezok. Fate just called you scum because he thinks you're scum.
4. Lulz pressuring is not a scum tell, nice smoke screen to theory man. You just contradicted yourself in this:
MoI wrote:But Prana jumping on a building bandwagon proclaiming ‘That was easy’ without even stopping to ask why Fate ignoring Vezok was worth noticing?
Scumtastic.
MoI wrote:ulz yourself. The only thing you have to say is you agree with the reasoning then spend the rest of the Prana paragraph saying “YUZ IS STRETCHING”.
Is pressure early, which by definitition has to be a stretch (as is your ‘case’, BTW ), a scum-tell?
WHY ARE YOU PRESSURING PRANA WHEN YOU'RE CALLING HIM SCUMZ MR BACK TRACK. Pressuring is a tool to look at suspcious people. You just made an argument against Prana calling him scummy. Now that reasoning is just pressuring? That means you don't have a scum read on Prana? Is it a fence sitting read? Oh mai what a serious backtrack.
Pressure is null, it means you're applying stress on a person (which can be good or bad depending on how you do it). It has very, very good potential to be used for scum hunting, or in the case of OoT mafia a good sense of noise (I used it personally).
Like I said: I'm attacking you because your reasoning to disregard the other votes were weak in comparison to the Prana vote reason (You have an ok reason to attack/vote). But you know what, now you're smoke screening me with theory talk and "pressuring". That's scummy. You're hinting that your scum read is relatively weak. I read it between the lines. You're leaking your motivation in that text.
