Mini 1113 - Brotherhood of the Wolf Mafia

[UncertainKitten]

I read said posts as poking at him for being scummy, myself. AGM, sure, he seems to think it doesn't matter. But Mina and CD push him into the scummy zone, if I read correctly. And still aren't voting him.

[GhostWriter]

Mina did. CD not so much. Even goes to say that voting UT would be "stretchy".

[AKnottedRope]

@AKR, so are you arguing that meta is pointless?

No, I'm arguing that a meta-only attack is scummy and pointless.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I also disagree with the way AGM prioritized, which is what also struck me as odd. CD is still an enigma wrapped in mystery to me.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh hi, OMGUS.

OMGUS is voided when I have a legitimate case back (I didn't get a straight answer to a legitimate question), and mind you, I've been nudging at you ever since Reckamonic left. You just didn't comment until I used it to refute that I had no original content.

GhostWriter vs. CooLDoG is quite the déjà vu, too.

[StrangerCoug]

Actually, come to think of it, AlmasterGM and CooLDoG are more likely to be buddies than AlmasterGM and who is now LynchMePls are.

[AlmasterGM]

Like I have said, UT is being useless. SC is being scummy. Thus, SC > UT in terms of lynching priority.

[Zang]

Yes, the role was a "bad person" in the movie. What do you expect from a miller claim, the main good guy?

A miller is usually someone who appears bad but isn't, your character is bad.

Though while I'm at it, that's a good question for everyone.

Who do you suspect and why, in 5 sentences or less.

I suspect LynchMePls but mostly because of Reckamonic. I didn't like how he claimed or how he responded to the votes against him.

I suspect Katsuki. All he did was have the argument on RVS wagons page 1 and then disappeared.

I am growing suspicious of UT. I don't find lurking scummy but I do find lurking scummy when you don't post content when you do post.

AlmasterGM: I find the vote for Reckamonic for "ragequitting" cheap. This screams like a policy lynch to me.

I disagree. He quit for no reason and didn't elaborate until after his vote.

THE SLOT YOU ARE VOTING FOR ISN'T EVEN A LURKER SLOT.

RECK IF YOU ARE READING THIS: I'M SORRY I DIDNT'T TAKE YOUR SIDE IMMEDIATELY.

Reckamonic was active lurking.

Looking through SC's ISO, I see very little scumhunting and a whole lot of theory discussion and weasel words. He makes some decent points about Reck, but at this point the discussion about that slot really should be more about LMP than his predecessor. SC's and AGM's argument about Reck is just dragging on and getting into pointless semantics. AGM has moved onto other things, SC has not.

It doesn't matter who you are talking about. It is the slot that is scum or town. That doesn't change if someone replaces out.

I find two things very odd:
1. Reck's miller claim

You say this but then you don't comment on it.

Also: Unvote and then VOTE: Havingfitz for seemingly voting a miller for having a role that appears scummy. I mean, really? And then continuing to vote the slot after saying the replacement seems to be doing well.

That isn't even close to the full case on him.

[AlmasterGM]

Actually, come to think of it, AlmasterGM and CooLDoG are more likely to be buddies than AlmasterGM and who is now LynchMePls are.

If I were buddies with cooldog I would just NK myself so don't worry about that.

[AlmasterGM]

Also your case is not legit because it is basically just, "you voted Reck." And as far as the answer to this goes:

Fine, because this does little to answer my question. Your use of the word "facade" implies that Reckamonic was trying to hide something, but couldn't anymore once he blew up. What the hell is it, and what makes his anger scummy?

He's trying to hide the fact that he's scum under pressure, obv? It's simple.

I'm town. Idiots attack me. They gain momentum. I deal with it because I'm town so they'll look like morons and I and don't really give a shit (HAS HAPPENED IN PAST).
I'm scum. Idiots attack me. They gain momentum. I get fucking pissed off because I'm scum and they are catching me in a manner I deem illegitimate. I get angry. They keep calling me scum. I blow up and RAGEQUIT at the injustice because I'm scum and DO GIVE A SHIT.

Basically, people give a shit when they are scum. TRUE FACT.

Why this even matters at all anymore is TOTALLY beyond me.

[havingfitz]

Next, the LMP wagon. It seems very stupid. Like, incredibly stupid. Stop screwing around, because it cannot be serious.

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Also:

Unvote

and then VOTE: Havingfitz for seemingly voting a miller for having a role that appears scummy. I mean, really? And then continuing to vote the slot after saying the replacement seems to be doing well.

Why so convinced/adament about LMP's alignment? Do you know 100% whether he is scum or town? I certainly don't. And to characterize the leading wagon att the way you did (ie calling it incredibly stupid) is IMO an Ad-hom attack on everyone on the LMP wagon (of which I should have been one if not for my failure to Unvote when I initially placed it) and serves to undermine the inclination of others from possibly voting their true opinion because of your negative comments.

Also...I have not reviewed the other LMP voters' reasons for voting Reck/LMP but how are my reasons more suspicious (vote-worthy) to you than theirs? The miller claim has nothing to do with my vote and my vote is not based entirely on flavor. As for LMP...the fact he has made a few good posts since replacing in does not mean he can't still be scum (ie scum can make good posts too) and his play has absolutely nothing to do with the play of his predecessor.

tl;dr

your reason for voting me is crap.


Speaking of the LMP wagon...

SC, you unvoted Kat but the mod had you voting LMP.

UNVOTE: Katsuki
VOTE: AlmasterGM

I'm finding yours and AGM's little back and forth interesting. Unless I am reading it wrong it appears you both suspect the Reck/LMP slot but rather than voting it, you are arguing with each other over it to the point where you're each voting each other. wtf?

[CooLDoG]

@GW#248, look man. I have said many many times it is not soley based on ether one. It is a combination on both of those plus other aspects I have stated. Also why are you note voting me? If you really think I'm worth a lynch that bad throw your vote on me.

[CooLDoG]

@AKR, is my attack meta only? uhh lets look back and read the game thread... Ohh nooo it looks like we can't lynch the person who is the VI on day one because he never said it was meta only. Man we could have really gotten this guy. And the town would have bought it too. Read the game or get out. I never said it was meta only, and you are blatantly misrepresenting me. That is one thing I don't stand for. Sorry for rage.

[CooLDoG]

@lmp, do you have any comments or do you wanna lurk around like your former player did. Because that would be bad.

AKR has picked up his posting as of late, and thus I won't vote him.

SC is not on my list.

I could foresee a UT vote but I really like my vote right now.

Its really funny that a few people are really defending LMP/Recks ass and lmp hasn't done any of it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.7 - As of Post 264

Zang (0) -
Untrod Tripod (2) - UncertainKitten, Mariyta
Mariyta (0) -
AlmasterGM (0) -
Katsuki (1) - Untrod Tripod
LynchMePls (4) - StrangerCoug, Zang, CooLDoG, havingfitz
StrangerCoug (1) - AlmasterGM
AKnottedRope (1) - LynchMePls
CoolDoG (1) - AKnottedRope
UncertainKitten (0) -
Mina (0) -
havingfitz (1) - GhostWriter
GhostWriter (2) - Mina, Katsuki

Not Voting (0) - No one

The Current deadline in Februrary 7th at 9:00am EST. The Countdown can be found

HERE

With 13 alive - 7 are required to lynch and 5 are required to lynch at deadline.

Activity Check - Katsuki has until 9am 1/27 to post or be prodded.

Rule B2 has been amended to clarify the Unvote procedure. You are not required
to specify who you Unvote, but if you do and specify an incorrect player it is not
considered an Unvote.

[LimMePls]

@lmp, do you have any comments or do you wanna lurk around like your former player did. Because that would be bad.

Is there something in particular you wanted a comment on.

[AlmasterGM]

I would be down with a CooLDoG lynch.

[Mariyta]

I would be down with a CooLDoG lynch.

I'm starting to lean this way, too. He keeps posting, but doesn't really say too much.

[AKnottedRope]

After a quick ISO of you, CD, your case on Reckamonic/LMP is nothing but flavor (which you don't seem to have a full knowledge of) and meta. Care to prove me wrong?

So yes, at heart, your case is meta only, given that flavor speculation is pointless D1

[AlmasterGM]

Unvote. Vote: CooLDoG

[AKnottedRope]

And AGM is steadily moving up my scumlist.

AGM: do you have any reasons behind your vote?

[AlmasterGM]

Do you have any reasons as to why I am steadily moving up your scumlist?

[AKnottedRope]

Voting without giving a reason would be one.

[GhostWriter]

CD: I checked your iso. Found this.

Recks slot: Scummy flavor (weak). Aggravated play which is not in his meta. bad meta references. Not contributing...

There, CD. There is your case. And of those things, the two you push the most are meta and the claim (flavor). I've talked about the meta. And with the claim, you're getting upset with a miller claim that seems like scum. A MILLER claim that seems like scum. And a problem with him not playing according to a town meta? Is he playing according to a scum meta? Do you even care enough to have freaking checked? Because you cannot call someone scum based on a town meta of them and not touch a scum one. And NO ONE has mentioned a scum meta from what I've read.

And then you over-react to my pressure on you. If I had wanted to vote you'd I've have fucking voted you, but you go on and try to imply that I, at any point, declared you scummier than who I was voting, in an attempt to make me look like I couldn't make up my mind on who to vote. At the time, I just wanted to verbally pressure you. Now, though, you seem like the scum on the Reck wagon.

Unvote

and VOTE: CooLDoG, since you wanted it so damned badly.

[StrangerCoug]

AlmasterGM: I find the vote for Reckamonic for "ragequitting" cheap. This screams like a policy lynch to me.

I disagree. He quit for no reason and didn't elaborate until after his vote.

Could you clarify here? AlmasterGM still won't tell me the scum motivation behind what Reckamonic did, so I'm having trouble connecting the dots.

If I were buddies with cooldog I would just NK myself so don't worry about that.

WIFOM, and in most games scumbuddies can't kill each other. So defending with crap.

Also your case is not legit because it is basically just, "you voted Reck."

No, my case is not basically "you voted Reck." I disagree that the reasoning is scummy, and when I tried to get you to prove otherwise you basically start playing dodgeball instead of Mafia. Your WIFOM is also telling me you're flailing.

And as far as the answer to this goes:

Fine, because this does little to answer my question. Your use of the word "facade" implies that Reckamonic was trying to hide something, but couldn't anymore once he blew up. What the hell is it, and what makes his anger scummy?

He's trying to hide the fact that he's scum under pressure, obv? It's simple.

I'm town. Idiots attack me. They gain momentum. I deal with it because I'm town so they'll look like morons and I and don't really give a shit (HAS HAPPENED IN PAST).
I'm scum. Idiots attack me. They gain momentum. I get fucking pissed off because I'm scum and they are catching me in a manner I deem illegitimate. I get angry. They keep calling me scum. I blow up and RAGEQUIT at the injustice because I'm scum and DO GIVE A SHIT.

Basically, people give a shit when they are scum. TRUE FACT.

Why this even matters at all anymore is TOTALLY beyond me.

This makes sense. Now tell me how else Reckamonic is scummy.

Speaking of the LMP wagon...

SC, you unvoted Kat but the mod had you voting LMP.

UNVOTE: Katsuki
VOTE: AlmasterGM

My mistake.

I'm finding yours and AGM's little back and forth interesting. Unless I am reading it wrong it appears you both suspect the Reck/LMP slot but rather than voting it, you are arguing with each other over it to the point where you're each voting each other. wtf?

We obviously disagree upon how Reckamonic was scummy. I had issues with the way he claimed; AlmasterGM had issues with the way he skedaddled. However, as I recently said, I don't think AlmasterGM and Reckamonic are likely buddies, but rather AlmasterGM and CooLDoG. If my understanding of the CooLDoG case is correct, he is being attacked for similar reasoning that I am attacking AGM, and I really don't think two buddies are going to find a cheap as hell way to dispose of the third. Yes, I said I don't try to predict the Mafia, but a scumteam of AlmasterGM, CooLDoG, and LynchMePls currently sounds ridiculous to me.

Rule B2 has been amended to clarify the Unvote procedure. You are not required
to specify who you Unvote, but if you do and specify an incorrect player it is not
considered an Unvote.

UNVOTE: LynchMePls
VOTE: AlmasterGM

Happy with the CooLDoG wagon, though.