Mafia 123 - Outdoorsmen Mafia 2 GAME OVER

[Parama]

Gah, I'm torn. One part of me says that EPM is obvious scum, the other part says Calcifer is doing exactly what he's accusing DGB of doing.
Instead of idling I'll get a vote down for something more definite.

vote: DemonHybrid

[DemonHybrid]

I want to know Guderian's role asap before I come to any definite conclusions.

[bvoigt]

VOTE: tylerjarvis

His HoS on DH seemed weird...I don't see how a "jumpy nature and snap judgments" make someone more likely to be scum. And that's basically all the content he's contributed for the entire game.

[nhammen]

VOTE: EVILPACMAN

Calcifer (Nachommamma >>> likely scum if pacman flips scum.)

This is scum making sure that they can take down a threat along with the downfall of their buddy.

EPM dies today.

(Mastin will be taking over for a day, so you'll see none of me.)

Interesting case. I've done the same thing when I was scum, so I can believe this. Although, did she actually give a reason? When I was scum I tried to convince the rest of the town that the link was there.

VOTE: EVILPACMAN

Calcifer (Nachommamma >>> likely scum if pacman flips scum.)

This is scum making sure that they can take down a threat along with the downfall of their buddy.

EPM dies today.

(Mastin will be taking over for a day, so you'll see none of me.)

Wow. This post is pure scum.

Vote; Calcifer

Care to give more information on that?

VOTE: tylerjarvis

His HoS on DH seemed weird...I don't see how a "jumpy nature and snap judgments" make someone more likely to be scum. And that's basically all the content he's contributed for the entire game.

Yeah, I have to agree; tyler has been pretty scummy.

[iamausername]

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

Seriously, read his iso. It's a whole lot of nothing. Post #82 is particularly bad.

Also saw this post from ender (DGB's predecessor), when evilpacman was being run up early on:

I'm really disliking the fact that after a couple pages with little not many people posting people are making decisions on who's scum and town already. I haven't played any games except from newbie games on this site but you can't automatically decide who's scum and who isn't...

makes me think Calcifer may well be onto something.

[Haylen]

VOTE COUNT!

Evilpacman: Calcifer
Calcifer: Empking
DemonHybrid: Parama
Tylerjarvis: Bvoigt
UntrodTripod: iamusername

Not Voting: Chkflip, Tylerjarvis, evilpacman, nhammen, Don_Johnson, Jmj, UntrodTripod, DemonHybrid

How many votes to lynch?

7/13

When is deadline?

Friday 4th February, 9pm GMT time.

[don_johnson]

been battling a stomach virus. i'll get in here in the next couple of days with some thoughts.

[bvoigt]

Also saw this post from ender (DGB's predecessor), when evilpacman was being run up early on:

I'm really disliking the fact that after a couple pages with little not many people posting people are making decisions on who's scum and town already. I haven't played any games except from newbie games on this site but you can't automatically decide who's scum and who isn't...

makes me think Calcifer may well be onto something.

This is a good point. It looks like he might have been trying to subtly discourage a wagon on his buddy. I'm happy with my Tyler vote, though.

[iamausername]

I want to know Guderian's role asap before I come to any definite conclusions.

I've thought about this, and I can't see how it would make any difference. Stop stalling.

[don_johnson]

Vote: DH

i call bullshit here as well. what kind of "definite" conclusions are you going to have on day 2 of a large game anyways? you have his alignment. role should be an afterthought.

[Calcifer]

FoS: bvoigt

. Distancing from Evil, but refusing to bus, instead sticking onto a much weaker vote.

[Empking]

I'd bet my house on Calcifer being scum but I haven't like DH all game. So...

Unote

Vote: DH

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: DH

i call bullshit here as well. what kind of "definite" conclusions are you going to have on day 2 of a large game anyways? you have his alignment. role should be an afterthought.

Role means everything, especially since a large chunk of yesterday's information dealt with Guderian.

But, no matter. Let's not wait for information; instead, let's lynch on pure intuition.

This game has already made me exhausted.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: EPM

. I'm still waiting on Guderian's full flip, but since you guys want action, here you go.

I still stand by the theory that a Guderian flip doesn't tell us much about EPM, but perhaps I was wrong about my reverse psychology.

[evilpacman18]

Emkping you've been on Nacho since the beginning and Calc since they came in but haven't really given any reasons besides not originally being aware that there was two scum teams. Care to say anything else?

[Empking]

Emkping you've been on Nacho since the beginning and Calc since they came in but haven't really given any reasons besides not originally being aware that there was two scum teams. Care to say anything else?

He's clearly scum. I can't put it into words but he's scum.

[bvoigt]

Emkping you've been on Nacho since the beginning and Calc since they came in but haven't really given any reasons besides not originally being aware that there was two scum teams. Care to say anything else?

Are you planning to say anything else?

[evilpacman18]

Emkping you've been on Nacho since the beginning and Calc since they came in but haven't really given any reasons besides not originally being aware that there was two scum teams. Care to say anything else?

Are you planning to say anything else?

It's on my list of things to do.

[evilpacman18]

Emkping you've been on Nacho since the beginning and Calc since they came in but haven't really given any reasons besides not originally being aware that there was two scum teams. Care to say anything else?

He's clearly scum. I can't put it into words but he's scum.

Meh. This response gets you town points in my book. But you're wrong.

[nhammen]

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

Seriously, read his iso. It's a whole lot of nothing. Post #82 is particularly bad.

Also saw this post from ender (DGB's predecessor), when evilpacman was being run up early on:

I'm really disliking the fact that after a couple pages with little not many people posting people are making decisions on who's scum and town already. I haven't played any games except from newbie games on this site but you can't automatically decide who's scum and who isn't...

makes me think Calcifer may well be onto something.

Also saw this post from ender (DGB's predecessor), when evilpacman was being run up early on:

I'm really disliking the fact that after a couple pages with little not many people posting people are making decisions on who's scum and town already. I haven't played any games except from newbie games on this site but you can't automatically decide who's scum and who isn't...

makes me think Calcifer may well be onto something.

This is a good point. It looks like he might have been trying to subtly discourage a wagon on his buddy. I'm happy with my Tyler vote, though.

Interesting. So you both say that Calcifer may be right about pacman, but then go and vote an active lurker. How many scum are in this game again?

I want to know Guderian's role asap before I come to any definite conclusions.

I've thought about this, and I can't see how it would make any difference. Stop stalling.

Vote: DH

i call bullshit here as well. what kind of "definite" conclusions are you going to have on day 2 of a large game anyways? you have his alignment. role should be an afterthought.

I agree with this too. And I hadn't noticed this until iamausername's comment. Unfortunately, positive scumhunting is not as much of an alignment tell in multiscum.

FoS: bvoigt

. Distancing from Evil, but refusing to bus, instead sticking onto a much weaker vote.

Exactly. But why is iamausername not guilty of this, while bvoigt is?

Role means everything, especially since a large chunk of yesterday's information dealt with Guderian.

OK, tell me exactly what role could mean, if we know that Guderian is not mafia. I can't think of very much, and definitely no reason to stall.

[Calcifer]

Exactly. But why is iamausername not guilty of this, while bvoigt is?

They both are, but it's who they vote for which is important. Iam votes for UT, which is a valid vote.
bv votes for a relatively-new player who is a little on the lurkerish side.

Which of those looks worse?

[bvoigt]

Interesting. So you both say that Calcifer may be right about pacman, but then go and vote an active lurker. How many scum are in this game again?

More than 2.

Exactly. But why is iamausername not guilty of this, while bvoigt is?

They both are, but it's who they vote for which is important. Iam votes for UT, which is a valid vote.
bv votes for a relatively-new player who is a little on the lurkerish side.

Which of those looks worse?

UT has lurked more than Tyler.

[tylerjarvis]

Yes, I've been lurking. I'm sorry. I was finishing up a pretty intense game (Perfect scum win, thank you very much). If you don't off me immediately, I'll be glad to get in here and start posting a bit more content.

[Calcifer]

Interesting case. I've done the same thing when I was scum, so I can believe this. Although, did she actually give a reason? When I was scum I tried to convince the rest of the town that the link was there.

No, but it didn't really seem like anyone but EPM was going to get lynched yesterday until the whole werewolf fiasco, so I think that this is a perspective that she would push after the EPM scumflip.

DH, what information would you get from Guderian flipping Cop as opposed to Vanilla Townie? How would that change your decision?

[jmj3000]

Sorry everyone, been busy running around town the past couple of days job hunting and such. This is getting my full attention now.