Mafia 42: Italian - Game over!

[LyingBrian]

@Monty

you spelled my username incorrectly, there is no space between Lying & Brian...

also, cults are common enough to be in the list of roles & have its own Wiki page...

BTW, i'm still waiting for somebody to explain why suggesting there is a possibility of a cult is such a scum tell...

[LyingBrian]

MOD

can we also get a prod on the following:

swinkee [posted 1x on Nov. 8, has not posted to MafiaScum since]
NanookTheWolf [posted 8x, lastly on Dec. 9]
Zippy [posted 10x, lastly on Nov. 18]
StevieT92 [posted 11x, lastly on Dec. 10]


also,

FOS: Flying Dutchman

you get onto the town about almost lynching a mason, yet you are not contributing... the average post per player is 22 posts, and you don't even have half of that (10)! why don't you tell us who you think is suspicios, and specifically why...?

[Iammars]

MOD

I believe swinkee is on MTGSalvation. I can check for him if you want...

[Yosarian2]

Well, the suggestion that there is a second scum group, like a cult or a second group of mafia, is a suggestion that can be very useful to the mafia, because then the town would be more likely to lynch, say, a person who played a major part in lynching a scum. After all, just because he wasn't in a scum group with person X, he might still be in a different scum group/cult/ect, right?

If there is only one scum group, suggesting or hinting at the existance of a second scum group and/or a cult can be used as a scum tactic to confuse the town's analysis and to make it more likely that townies will get lynched. Of course, that dosn't mean that a townie can't, or shouldn't, ever suggest the possibility that there might be a cult or a second scum group, but when someone does it without a good reason, some people do consider it a scum tell.

[LyingBrian]

@Yosarian2

thank you! i had a feeling it was something along those lines, but i wanted to make sure...

i guess in retrospect i should've kept my thoughts to myself until there was better evidence, but i just thought the resurrection part was a little weird...

[StevieT92]

Sorry, I'm here, I really haven't had much to say. LyingBrian seems pretty scummy, I don't think we should test masons on day 1, And I still have no clue why we bandwagonned Gonzo.

[d8P]

That's 8 for Gonzo. Baby J is on Lying Brian's.

[JSexton]

Confirming that Gonzo is a mason as he has claimed.

Kay. Since Gonzo hasn't answered my question, can you? Does the wording of your PM allow for traitors, or is it state that you can trust them 100%?

[inHimshallibe]

That question has already been answered.

Also, in regard to the Mason PM confirming the other masons as pro-town, it doesn't. However, I don't see this as reason to lynch Gonzo, as based on the (minimal) Mason night 1 communication, if there is a traitor in the Mason group, it's more likely to be the remaining member of our group than Gonzo.

Skimmah.

[LyingBrian]

still waiting on a response from

Vesuvan

......

[halo freak]

I believe swinkee is on MTGSalvation. I can check for him if you want...

Thanks that would be useful. I will prod all (except stevie) those mention and search for a replacment because i rekon at least one of them will be gone fro good.

[halo freak]

Yah! jajsoccer replaces SSB! after what peacebringer said.

[JSexton]

That question has already been answered.

Also, in regard to the Mason PM confirming the other masons as pro-town, it doesn't. However, I don't see this as reason to lynch Gonzo, as based on the (minimal) Mason night 1 communication, if there is a traitor in the Mason group, it's more likely to be the remaining member of our group than Gonzo.

Skimmah.

Ah, I did miss that. Thanks.

...so we really don't know anything about our masons? There's three left, and any one could be a traitor, possibly two, even (one mafia, one sk)? Arg. The trend of putting traitors in mason groups is getting irritating.

[jajsoccer]

I'm reading the thread now. It is 26 pages, so it might take me a while, but I'll post as soon as I'm finished.

[Fritzler]

FOS: jajsoccer reading is scummy

[StevieT92]

BTW Swinkee hasn't responded in many of my other games, I would replace him.

[halo freak]

I will see what i can do.

[jajsoccer]

@ Fritzler: Yeah, well I read fast. Shouldn't you be using your FOSes more wisely.

Firstly: Why are people still voting Gonzo. He is a confirmed mason. Is it just that none have bothered to come back and unvote. I'm suspicious of anyone who is leaving there vote on Gonzo on purpose.

Secondly: Tell me if I'm wrong. The bandwagon on LB is mostly because he was speculating about who killed who, talking about the presence of a cult, and saying that we should be suspicious of the seemingly confirmed fritzler. I think that is suspicious enough that I will

Vote: LyingBrian

. If I missed anything, or LB has covered these points to most people's satisifaction, please draw my attention to it.

[zu_Faul]

unvote: Gonzo

after being confirmed by Vesuvan.

[TSAGod]

Why does being a confirmed mason in an inactive group mean we can't lynch Gonzo? He hasn't been too effective here.

[PeaceBringer]

unvote Jaj

[jajsoccer]

Why does being a confirmed mason in an inactive group mean we can't lynch Gonzo? He hasn't been too effective here.

1. I believe that the group is active. jabroni wasn't initially a part of the group, but I believe the rest of the group was active from the beginning. If I'm wrong, vesuvan or Gonzo can correct me.
2. The reason we can't lynch Gonzo is because he is confirmed. We know (or at least have a very good reason to believe) that he is not scum. Perhaps he has not been particularly effective, but we shouldn't lynch him because he isn't scum. We should instead try to find someone who is scum.

FOS: TSAGod

for saying we should lynch a confirmed innocent.

[TSAGod]

Also, in regard to the Mason PM confirming the other masons as pro-town, it doesn't. However, I don't see this as reason to lynch Gonzo, as based on the (minimal) Mason night 1 communication, if there is a traitor in the Mason group, it's more likely to be the remaining member of our group than Gonzo.

...so we really don't know anything about our masons? There's three left, and any one could be a traitor, possibly two, even (one mafia, one sk)? Arg. The trend of putting traitors in mason groups is getting irritating.

[JSexton]

Well, yeah, but that's not really a reason to lynch one straight away. I'm just saying as the game goes on, to keep in mind that the mason group isn't 100% confirmed. It's a worse lynch than a random player, though, barring other info, like a watcher seeing them target someone who winds up dead.

[Gonzo]

I'll just

Vote No Lynch

I have no clue who it is and I don't want to join any bandwagons.

And to those of you who still wish to kill me, I'd like to make a motion at the bloodthirsty nature.

And now for the news that the

Mod

should read.
I'll be on vacation for 10 days following the 18th, so someone should probably replace me.

Merry Christmas to you all! And try not to lynch anyone on Christmas.