Mini 1096 - Seinfeld Mafia (Game Over)

[The Fonz]

Tally was on Raj, on LMP, and now on Kats. That's a lot of following popular wagons. Though tbh, I have them 2 and 3 in scumminess. (I'm really not sure what to make of Kats, she's probably flying under my radar a bit).

I read this statement as saying the following –

You found ( from the pool of Raj, LMP and Kats ) that Kats is a null read and Raj / LMP were 2 and 3 in terms of scumminess. Thus my questions. If I’m not reading that correctly feel free to correct me.

Removing the quote of you asking why people were attacking Tally's vote and not Chamber's takes this completely out of context. You asked a general question about Tally and charter, and in response I explained why Tally's Kat vote seemed scummier than Charter's (she has been pushing popular wagons) but that in fact they (ie, Tally and charter) were my number two and three scummiest, behind LMP who was obviously number one.

[The Fonz]

Dah, I wrote chamber when I meant charter. Again. (This was even worse when they were in the same game )

[MagnaofIllusion]

Removing the quote of you asking why people were attacking Tally's vote and not Chamber's takes this completely out of context. You asked a general question about Tally and charter, and in response I explained why Tally's Kat vote seemed scummier than Charter's (she has been pushing popular wagons) but that in fact they (ie, Tally and charter) were my number two and three scummiest, behind LMP who was obviously number one.

That clears that up. Thanks you.

[Kdub]

FRANK: Let me understand. You got the hen, the chicken, and the rooster. The rooster goes with the chicken. So, who's having sex with the hen?
GEORGE: Why don't we talk about it another time?
FRANK: But you see my point here? You only hear of a hen, a rooster, and a chicken. Something's missing!
MRS. ROSS: Something's missing all right.
MR. ROSS: They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.
FRANK: That's perverse.

Vote Count

charter (0) -
LynchMePls (5) - The Fonz, Katsuki, Jahudo, Untrod Tripod, Talitha
Katsuki (5) - MagnaofIllusion, LynchMePls, charter, MacavityLock, Haschel Cedricson
The Fonz (0) -
MagnaofIllusion (0) -
Jahudo (0) -
Haschel Cedricson (0) -
Talitha (1) - Kmd4390
Untrod Tripod (0) -
Kmd4390 (0) -
MacavityLock (0) -
Not Voting (0) -

11 votes available, 6 votes needed to lynch.

Haschel Cedricson has been prodded.

[Katsuki]

Reading through thread later today, lots to catch up on.

[The Fonz]

Kat, that's your second straight 'Will catch up later' post.

[Katsuki]

I'm saying I'm here, and will look through the thread. Just not in the immediate present (ala, will do so a few hours from now).

[The Fonz]

How do I make this clearer.

STOP ACTIVE LURKING by posting to say you'll post, and just get on with the reading.

[Talitha]

@Tal re 359 – What in the heck is that? Kats gets to L-1 and you immediately jump right back to LMP?

I prefer LMP. Especially after the reaction to my unvote. Especially after Macavity voted for Katsuki.

I'm finding it really weird to get jumped on each time I move my vote.

I must confess, looking through her ISO and seeing her voting Raj with 'he could be scum' as her sole justification, it didn't occur to me it was the first vote on the wagon: what with the flimsy 'he could be scum' justification, it looked like piling on to me. Perils of iso I guess. She certainly didn't look like she was expending any effort trying to convince people that Raj was scum.

Did you happen to notice it was my

second

post of the game and my first content post. I was on vacation when the game started for a few days. I can't remember last time I played a mini, I don't really know any people in this game except for Raj & UT. Raj was scummier than UT. Have some CONTEXT.

Her vote on Kat was unexplained and later justified as 'pressure,' but do you really unvote someone who's supposedly your top suspect at L-1 and put a rival wagon only one vote behind for 'pressure?' And if you are voting for pressure, why remove the pressure vote before the pressured player has actually done anything?

I've already answered this.

I wasn't around and stuff had happened that i wanted to think about.

I hate not having my vote on someone and Katsuki was a good place for it. Any pressure that might have been in my vote was nullified by you guys attacking me over the vote.

Why say you don't pay any attention to claims:

Talitha wrote:Re: current bandwagon. My motto (stolen from mith) is "lynch or lynch not, there is no claim". I.e. In the decision to lynch, the claim shouldn't matter.

And yet unvote immediately following a claim (and she posted twice between the L-1 vote and the claim, so she had the opportunity to unvote prior to claim if she really just wanted more time) and even worse, assert that the manner in which he claimed (mixing up Peterman and Peterson) instinctively makes her think him more likely town (and no, pointing out that you're being hypocritical doesn't change the fact).

Because I'm not a fucking robot. There's information in everything, even the manner in which claims are made. My motto was adopted after several mistakes in games - believing scum because of their good claim or lynching town because their claim was flimsy.

It doesn't mean I'm not going to THINK about the claim

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[The Fonz]

@Tal re 359 – What in the heck is that? Kats gets to L-1 and you immediately jump right back to LMP?

I prefer LMP. Especially after the reaction to my unvote. Especially after Macavity voted for Katsuki.

I'm finding it really weird to get jumped on each time I move my vote.

The way you moved your vote implies you weren't serious about it.

post of the game and my first content post. I was on vacation when the game started for a few days. I can't remember last time I played a mini, I don't really know any people in this game except for Raj & UT. Raj was scummier than UT. Have some CONTEXT.

WTF? So you're only allowed to vote for people you've played with before or something?

I've already answered this.

I wasn't around and stuff had happened that i wanted to think about.

I hate not having my vote on someone and Katsuki was a good place for it. Any pressure that might have been in my vote was nullified by you guys attacking me over the vote.[/quote]

Right, and this was me saying I don't believe you, I don't find that particularly plausible as a genuine town thought process.

[Talitha]

Do you find it easier catching scum or getting town reads from players you've played with before, or ones you don't know?
I guess I really should've put "He knows why..." as my reason instead of the totally outrageous "He could be scum" that I went with. Ah well.

[The Fonz]

Do you find it easier catching scum or getting town reads from players you've played with before, or ones you don't know?
I guess I really should've put "He knows why..." as my reason instead of the totally outrageous "He could be scum" that I went with. Ah well.

Strawman. Whether or not it's easier to read players you've played with before, you should still be TRYING to read the others as well. Your justification was 'It's early, he's on my scummish list' for unstated reasons. Then you keep it on all the way to lynch with the scummy 'he never gave me a reason to change' excuse that charter pointed out, and saying 'he appears obsessed with how he looks,' by which of course you mean- he was defending himself.

[Untrod Tripod]

I can see a scum team of either Katsuki/MoI or Katsuki/Talitha right now.

I think a Katsuki flip makes tomorrow's move obvious. I'm going to lay off LMP for right now, but he's still on my scumdar. I don't think his lynch provides us with as much info as Katsuki's.

unvote LMP

I'm willing to hammer Katsuki. Want to hear his claim.

[Kmd4390]

I was getting tempted to hammer LMP to avoid forcing one of my town reads to claim considering it seems like it has to be one of the two today...

[Untrod Tripod]

Katsuki: If you don't make some kind of post in the next 36ish hours, you're getting hammered.

[Katsuki]

On pg13 right now.

Just saying that LMP and MOI are obvbuddies.

And MOI's case on me thus far has been virtually

"Kat is playing like how Kat always plays hence Kat scum"

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[Katsuki]

LMP and MOI are obvbuddies.

I love how all the MOI vs LMP hate completely dissipated.

This is the best you can do as to content?

Why are we obv-buddies?

Explain for once in your Mafia career!

What "MoI vs LMP hate" are you talking about?

It must be tough being scum in a game, being identified as such, and not having any of your ‘crew’ around to support you.

MORE KATS VOTES PLEASE!

The above bolded statement is a gem. He's called me scum this game for not explaining certain stuff, yet comes out with this statement?
MOI knows that I've been playing like how I always play, yet he keeps going on about how what I've been doing this game is an unique occurance.
Pushing the easy lynch is MOI.

[Katsuki]

Presumably you did think it would go at least some way toward making you look town, or why do it? I think it's a mildly protown sign, because it is

possible

the scum don't have safeclaims, or have fewer safeclaims than members. It just isn't close to being conclusive, and I don't think it balances out ridiculously scummy play and a VT claim.

Preview edit: Yeah, maybe it would have been clearer had I said 'acknowledge' rather than 'accept.'

Just saying, scum probably have fakeclaims. Kdub gave them in his last game.

[Katsuki]

@Katsuki: Where in 92 do you explain why MoI is scummier than LMP? There are points specific to LMP, and points again both MoI and LMP, but where are the points about just Moi?

I may have been jumping the gun a bit, but looking at that exchange, I was fairly certain about LMP scum, which further supported my MOI read. Basically in my eyes, LMP scum meant for sure MOI scum.

@Katsuki again: Can you explain your super secret awesome scumtell in 258?? You didn't say anything specific when you regretted your hammer, when you voted MoI the next day, or when you made that post. So how would a town MoI write that post differently, or what about that post is scum MoI talking?

Looking back, I don't remember exactly what it was about that post that had my mind screaming MOI-scum. I will let you know if I can remember why.

[Katsuki]

Will keep reading this game some other time. Almost done pg14.

Tally is giving me funny feelings. Will look into that as well.

[Jahudo]

So you expect someone to have a specific meta on you? That's not really how it works, especially if the person doesn't like metas as a tell, but that's something Mags can answer definitively here.

Ok, so more stuff about scumpairing, really not useful at this point because neither has been proven to be scum on their own.

@Katsuki: Who was more likely to be scum on day 1: LMP or MoI?

[Katsuki]

So you expect someone to have a specific meta on you? That's not really how it works, especially if the person doesn't like metas as a tell, but that's something Mags can answer definitively here.

It's not so much meta as it is my playstyle; basically how I've played every game on site. MOI has played/modded with me a lot before, and his entire case is pretty much BS for reasons I stated a few posts ago.

As for D1, I still think MOI. Though in my mind, MOI and LMP were both pretty much even.

[The Fonz]

Kat- please explain how you think your playstyle is beneficial to the town.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I prefer LMP. Especially after the reaction to my unvote. Especially after Macavity voted for Katsuki.

I'm finding it really weird to get jumped on each time I move my vote.

I commented because quite frankly I don’t see that much has changed since your unvote of LMP to move to the Katsuki wagon. You have had time to consider (as you said you would) but nothing significant in regards to LMP has occurred.

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I can see a scum team of either Katsuki/MoI or Katsuki/Talitha right now.

I think a Katsuki flip makes tomorrow's move obvious. I'm going to lay off LMP for right now, but he's still on my scumdar. I don't think his lynch provides us with as much info as Katsuki's.

So you think I’m scum with Katsuki because I’ve spent all day drumming up support for his wagon instead of hammering LMP when I had the chance?

What obvious move does a Kats scum-flip point to? Be specific.

So you think LMP is scummy but Katsuki will provide us with more ‘information’?

Do you actually think Katsuki is scum?

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Just saying that LMP and MOI are obvbuddies.

And MOI's case on me thus far has been virtually "Kat is playing like how Kat always plays hence Kat scum".

Hello, let's play this game again. PROVIDE REASONS. Why are LMP and myself obv-buddies?

And nice strawman in the second sentence.

1. My case on you is that you aren’t scum-hunting (as all you do is say Y is Scum but never why), your hammer and subsequent reaction were scumtastic and you’ve tried to lurk out the pressure I built on you while being active in other games.
2. Self-meta defense is useless. Just saying.

The above bolded statement is a gem. He's called me scum this game for not explaining certain stuff, yet comes out with this statement?

Again, I’ve called you scum because you haven’t explained pretty much any of your ‘reads’ this game. You say “X being scum means Y is” with no support. In 393 you even mildly backtrack from your statements, asserting for example you aren’t sure why my post at 258 is scummy.

Pushing the easy lynch is MOI.

Ah, the ‘I’m an easy lynch’ attack.

1. Why are you an easy lynch? Given how difficult it has been to build a wagon on you today I find that statement suspect.
2. I’m pushing you because I think you are scummy. Period.

As for D1, I still think MOI. Though in my mind, MOI and LMP were both pretty much even.

Way to hedge your bets here by saying we were both equally scummy.

[LimMePls]

On pg13 right now.

Just saying that LMP and MOI are obvbuddies.

And MOI's case on me thus far has been virtually

"Kat is playing like how Kat always plays hence Kat scum"

.

Multiple times now you've made this assertion and you've offered 0 evidence to support it. Please explain how you are reaching this conclusion.

Also, you're boiling down of the points against you to "This is my playstyle" is both A) wrong and B) scumtastic.