Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[popsofctown]

#####guys i have carpal tunnel anyone know any homeopathic, herbal, urban legend, medical, or wiccan remedies?

[popsofctown]

#####HEY MOD feel free to hollow out 1125 and put a votecount there. For serious reals, I don't mind. ESPECIALLY if you recommend me an effective remedy to my carpal tunnel

~Thanks for the offer, but it makes it easier if all the votecounts are in my ISO. As for a remedy, rub some dirt on it and walk it off.

[RedCoyote]

I see. Bleh, I don't want to spam if I don't know if the PM was read or not.

[q21]

Sorry for the disappearance. I had a suddenly and unexpectedly spectacular weekend.

First order of business: I had an ability. I passed it.

@IAI 991; Treestumping tmh tomorrow is a good idea. It could both get rid of the treestump and (bonus) assuming tmh is scum (which I am about 99% sure of)

it can confirm curiouskarmadog's alignment; if he fails to treestump tmh, he's mafia. If the treestump dies with tmh, he's town.

What do people think about this plan?

-snip-

Other miscellaneous question: should tmh claim who he passed the busdriving ability to and/or whoever has the ability claim that they have it? Not only is it an incredibly antitown ability, but this could lead to yet another confirmed townie. In fact, can anyone think of

any

pro-town reason for the busdriving ability to exist, or should it be passed to tmh tonight as well?

I like the put forward here, especially since tmh already claimed who he passed his ability to... diddin. Doing this could actually get us a decent set of confirmation data. Its actually enough that I'm willing to relent in my desire to see diddin swing for the moment.

Unvote

So, where to put my vote now. Based on current interest, Darla's name comes to the fore. So I looked her up a bit. Her first post is basically an apology for not posting anything meaningful by reason of computer fail and ends with this:

ANYWAYS. Again, with the delays, apologies and a post is being typed up now with my actual content.

That post that was apparently being typed up never materialised. Instead we got excuses.

Her votes this game:
Helghast - Already at 5 votes. Didn't add much of anything herself.
Power - Already at 6. Again didn't add anything.
Bunny - Already at 2 votes. Not as much of a bandwagon hop as her previous, but given the sudden interest that had surrounded Bunny's misunderstanding of cycling (and I do read it as a misunderstanding rather than a scumslip) and given the fact that she couldn't really vote the leading wagon since it was her own... And again, added nothing.

Three poor votes make up the entirety of her vote history and while reading through her doctor explanation thing I saw this (bolding is mine):

I protected the person I felt was most at risk of a kill and who had been contributing a lot to the town. I missed it, maybe, who knows. we could have more than one PR with kill ability (or more than 2 - whatever) I am not going to ANSWER FOR NOT PROTECTING THE PERSON WHO DIEDDDDD!!11 and let that be used as evidence against me. there were 20 something choices my odds of

picking the right person to kill

werent that great but I did the best with what I could - and then passed the power along to someone I felt comfortable with and got a strong town read on.

(still on phone reading page 40 now, will comment on 41 in a sec)

Given the rest of her play my thought here was simple. Scumslip.

Vote DarlaBlueEyes

[I Am Innocent]

IAI’s 872 confuses me. Why is that quote scummy, exactly?

Though WC and Bunnylover followed suit with the hammering votes, this was the first post after the Powerox claim pushing for a lynch, where the correct action imo was to have a discussion first.

[I Am Innocent]

If you are in reality town, you should have given your ability to the most antitown player you could and then shot them.

This is a good strategy, but not workable. The virus has to go off before the dayvig can work.

Yes, but did he know that N1 when the decision had to be made?

[q21]

IAI - Diddin did state in thread if I remember correctly.

[I Am Innocent]

if it has to tick to work, CKD is gonna have to be the one to bite the bullet. Or diddin. Whichever ability is more antitown. Prolly treestump

And if we get rid of TMH tomorrow and he is scum, you just killed a confirmed townie, or a chance to catch scum teammates***

***If they are teammates, CKD will not be able to send the treestump to TMH, and when someone else ends up with it, we have 2 scum.

As for the bus driver, if we know TMH is the kill D3 (he is my choice), then send that as well back to him.

Bunnylover, WC, and Darla are probably the best three choices for the bomb right now.

I do not advocate Diddin or Saint. My gut tells me people would love to have Saint (or should I say Vi) out of this game.

If I am right about pops being scum, quadz is a possible teammate. Something to keep an eye on.

[I Am Innocent]

IAI - Diddin did state in thread if I remember correctly.

Yes that was the criteria for D1, but a bomb every day to activate the vig was not something I expected, or would have N1. Did you?

[StrangerCoug]

#####HEY MOD feel free to hollow out 1125 and put a votecount there. For serious reals, I don't mind. ESPECIALLY if you recommend me an effective remedy to my carpal tunnel

I'm one of the exercise leads at my work No, seriously. I can suggest exercises that you can do with your fingers.

Bunnylover, WC, and Darla are probably the best three choices for the bomb right now.

I do not advocate Diddin or Saint. My gut tells me people would love to have Saint (or should I say Vi) out of this game.

I agree with this. Bunnylover and DBE are high on my scumlist, I feel Diddin is town, and I already said Saint's a suboptimal bomb target. WC I need a double-check on, but if memory serves me correctly there's a good case on him too. TMH is a good person to get the bomb as well.

[RedCoyote]

I don't understand why we can't go backwards, frankly. IAI and q21 have brought up sparing diddin (although they both think he's scummy, yes?) in order to lynch theman tomorrow (thereby "testing" whether or not they are on the same team). Why can we not lynch diddin in order to test that today? I mean, it works both ways right? There's going to be a lot of opportunities to crosscheck ability exchanges throughout the game, but there's not going to be a lot of opportunities to lynch scum at the rate we're losing townies.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't understand why we can't go backwards, frankly. IAI and q21 have brought up sparing diddin (although they both think he's scummy, yes?) in order to lynch theman tomorrow (thereby "testing" whether or not they are on the same team). Why can we not lynch diddin in order to test that today? I mean, it works both ways right? There's going to be a lot of opportunities to crosscheck ability exchanges throughout the game, but there's not going to be a lot of opportunities to lynch scum at the rate we're losing townies.

I don't see the big problem in theory.

[RedCoyote]

Well, let's say that we decide to wait and lynch theman. Okay. Worst case scenario.

Darla gets stuck with the Virus and flips town.
theman shoots WC and flips town.
We lynch Saint and he flips town.
Then two more town deaths at night. That's five more townies dead.

I'm not saying this will all happen if we don't go after diddin now, but I am saying we shouldn't spare diddin if we think he's scum just because we want to get a town confirmation from lynching theman tomorrow. We're already on a bad footing. That said, if a majority of the town thinks diddin is honestly not a good lynch, then that's a completely different story. I'll build a case against him with pleasure.

[q21]

IAI - Diddin did state in thread if I remember correctly.

Yes that was the criteria for D1, but a bomb every day to activate the vig was not something I expected, or would have N1. Did you?

Given that we cycle the roles around I expect that each role I pass to someone will be exactly the same as when I had it, therefore I expect each role to work identically each day/night.

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 2x2 ::

LynchMePls (0) -

RedCoyote (0) -

themanhimself (1) -

Parama

Lateralus22 (0) -

WrathChild (1) -

nhammen

curiouskarmadog (0) -

quadz08 (2) -

diddin, Nero Cain

Nero Cain (0) -

DarlaBlueEyes (6) -

LynchMePls, implosion, popsofctown, Lateralus22, StrangerCoug, q21

q21 (0) -

diddin (2) -

quadz08, RedCoyote

popsofctown (0) -

Bunnylover (2) -

Saint, DarlaBlueEyes

I Am Innocent (0) -

StrangerCoug (0) -

Parama (2) -

themanhimself, Bunnylover

Implosion (0) -

nhammen (0) -

Saint (0) -

Not Voting (3) -

curiouskarmadog, WrathChild, I Am Innocent

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

[I Am Innocent]

Well, let's say that we decide to wait and lynch theman. Okay. Worst case scenario.

Darla gets stuck with the Virus and flips town.
theman shoots WC and flips town.
We lynch Saint and he flips town.
Then two more town deaths at night. That's five more townies dead.

I can almost hear sotty saying "appeal to fear" here.

I'm not saying this will all happen if we don't go after diddin now, but I am saying we shouldn't spare diddin if we think he's scum just because we want to get a town confirmation from lynching theman tomorrow. We're already on a bad footing. That said, if a majority of the town thinks diddin is honestly not a good lynch, then that's a completely different story. I'll build a case against him with pleasure.

Well my read on Diddin is more null than anything. And my guess is with TMH, or should I call him the MIA TMH, who is almost certainly to be killed D3, I would rather my null read be kept for a day, esp if we know Diddin cannot be TMH's teammate.

If the group as a whole thinks Diddin is scum and there are no other solid candidates, than yes, he should be the lynch/target.

[implosion]

I'd like the bomb to go to Darla. My reads on Bunny and WC are null at worst, probably both leaning town.

[quadz08]

I'm with RC; let's flip it, and lynch diddin today, since we can't lynch TMH cause of his ability. Which actually reminds me: does no one else find it suspicious that diddin is still alive today, even though he held the dayvig power? Cause I do.

Yes that was the criteria for D1, but a bomb every day to activate the vig was not something I expected, or would have N1. Did you?

Actually, this is a really good point. I would have assumed that since the virus had gone off D1, that it was simply gone, and the dayvig power was free to use for the rest of the game. It coming back today was unexpected, and I assume it would have been unexpected for TMH as well... well said, IAI.

[Bunnylover]

Well it appears that we have come to an agreement on who should hold the bomb between 3 people.
Myself (although I disagree on this lol).
Saint (Pefectly fine with this).
DBE (Not really seeing a reason not to keep the virus on him/her).
Other then these three people, no one name is mentioned.
We need to keep the virus between these three people.
If for some reason another person gets the virus, the previous owner should either be day kill by the vig or lynch as their is only two reason why you wouldn't keep the bomb on these three.

[implosion]

The problem with lynching diddin is that if TMH passed the bus driving ability to diddin and TMH is mafia, isn't diddin confirmed town?

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I am finding this game incredibly hard to keep up with, and while I really do not want to add one more townie death to the toll, if everyone is so adamant you can give me the bomb and I'll keep it. But don't say I didn't warn you when all that comes of it is one more townie death.

[diddin]

RedCoyote you have HARDCORE tunnel vision on me. You have said NOTHING about whether you think tmh is scum or not today, and that plays a big part of my alignment. It's like you're ignoring him to get me lynched. In fact non-mention is a pretty strong buddy tell.

I would have no problem with this guy being vigged/bombed/lynched.

[WrathChild]

Here's the problem I keep seeing pop up. Our efforts to track ability passes are twisted because of it. When we have an easily traceable ability that forces very telling decisions like a Day-Vig, the bus-driver is going to keep screwing up our tracking. With the bus-driver, the Day-Vig is much less accountable for their hit than if the bus-driver did not exist.

[quadz08]

The problem with lynching diddin is that if TMH passed the bus driving ability to diddin and TMH is mafia, isn't diddin confirmed town?

That's rather the point. If diddin is mafia, then TMH is confirmed town, and both of them have been scummy. If we lynch diddin today, we can clear TMH now AND remove the ability busdriver, whereas we want to wait until tomorrow to lynch TMH, since he has the dayvig. I'll go over both of them in ISO soon and see if one reeeeally stands out, but assuming they're about the same, I think that diddin should be the lynch today. It gives us more info, faster, which is reeeeeeally important right now.

[WrathChild]

The problem with lynching diddin is that if TMH passed the bus driving ability to diddin and TMH is mafia, isn't diddin confirmed town?

That's rather the point. If diddin is mafia, then TMH is confirmed town, and both of them have been scummy. If we lynch diddin today, we can clear TMH now AND remove the ability busdriver, whereas we want to wait until tomorrow to lynch TMH, since he has the dayvig. I'll go over both of them in ISO soon and see if one reeeeally stands out, but assuming they're about the same, I think that diddin should be the lynch today. It gives us more info, faster, which is reeeeeeally important right now.

Something is wrong here. TMH didn't claim to pass anything to Diddin. TMH's BD ability seems like it would override alignment restrictions. I'd like the BD ability removed from this game, but I don't think TMH has claimed who he sent it to yet.