Mafia 42: Italian - Game over!

[Yosarian2]

All masons claim now, por favor, if I were god, lol.

Um, no. Don't do this. Confirmed innocents are more useful late-game then early game, and revealing masons now would just get them killed before we got to a late-game point where the confirmed innocents would really be useful.

[zu_Faul]

also, why the lump on the head for Vesuvan?

Maybe there's a role who can hit someone on the head each night... it could change nightchoices for example, or in the case of a townie/mason make thme unable to post, or do both to powerroles...
I don't think we should let Gonzo loose... if we continue this EVERYONE has claimed and nothing happens...

[Yosarian2]

I don't think we should let Gonzo loose... if we continue this EVERYONE has claimed and nothing happens...

SO...what do you suggest? That we lynch a claimed mason?

You know, you were looking pretty scummy day 1, too.

vote:zu_Faul

[Fritzler]

unvote, vote: Zu_Faul

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

vote zu_faul

[Blackberry]

Yes, Gonzo, I have a feeling your role says something along the lines of 'you know for certain they aren't MAFIA'

... eh?

Also, last game I saw a gunsmith in, there was a group of masons and one was a SK. The gunsmith said the masons had a gun but no one caught on to that and the SK ended up winning. If I can find it, my bet is halo was the mod. If halo was the mod, believe me, there is a SK in the mason group. Halo follows same roles often, and I know a particular role already in use that he is using

again

.

[BabyJesus]

unvote , vote LyingBrian

[TSAGod]

Why is lynching a claimed mason absolutely bad? Especially if we don't have the guarantee that they are certainly protown.

[Vesuvan]

Sorry to have been offline for a few days - my modem decided to fry itself in a power surge

Confirming that Gonzo is a mason as he has claimed. I don't think it's necessary to claim the remaining member of our group (and yes, there is exactly one other member now) at this time. In fact, my scum-senses are a-tingling at the people suggesting that one of the Masons must necessarily be a SK even before the size of the group was known. Given the timing of this suggestion being right after the suggestion that the resurrection was caused by a cult, this does make me rather suspicious of Blackberry, though if we have no more resurrections we can leave that possibility until later as at this time there is certainly not enough evidence to support the existence of a cult.

As to the "lump on the head", all I can confirm is that it was due to a player's action. I don't know anything more than that - other than it's damnably annoying for someone who enjoys being as wordy as I do. That may be an indicator of Yosarian, JSexton or BabyJesus being responisble (OTOH, these are the players to have gotten the most annoyed by my long posts in the past), but that could also be reading too much into it.

Right now, though, I'm going to

Vote: LyingBrian

for having already made 3 of my top 5 scum tells already today: assigning kills to specific groups/individuals; insinuating the presence of a cult without sufficient evidence, and calling for a distrust of Masons.

Enough smokescreens, it's time to die scumboy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

damn, that's pretty convincing.

unvote

vote Lyingbrian

[inHimshallibe]

I'm all up for going back to

I still like LyingBrian as a candidate

It makes me happy when people agree with me on who we should lynch.

Unvote: Gonzo
Vote: LyingBrian

[PeaceBringer]

unvote, vote SSB!

he either needs to be lynched or replaced. It would be preferable to have replaced but until then voting here.

[Vesuvan]

Just to clarify:

calling for a distrust of Masons.

was done by people other than LyingBrian. In fact, Brian didn't even follow the reasoning behind Blackberry's argument that a gunsmith implied a "mason traitor" type of role.

FOS: Pooky

for voting Brian based on this argument, and a much smaller

fos: InHim

, who cited his previous vote for his reason for voting for Brian.

Of course, this doesn't change the rest of the argument on Brian, which still makes him the best candidate at the moment.

Also, in regard to the Mason PM confirming the other masons as pro-town, it doesn't. However, I don't see this as reason to lynch Gonzo, as based on the (minimal) Mason night 1 communication, if there is a traitor in the Mason group, it's more likely to be the remaining member of our group than Gonzo.

[Illumina]

Lynching LyingBrian seems like a good play... But I'm holding my vote until tomorrow, after I have time to go back and reread a bit.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

*sheepish shrug*

u know u could accuse him of demon worship and sacrificing babies to his blood god and I'd still probly believe u.

[halo freak]

Vote Count

6 LyingBrian (d8p StevieT92, Baby J, Vesuvan, Pooky, Inhim)

9 Gonzo (BabyJesus, inHim, LyingBrian, PeaceBringer, zu_Faul, TSAGod, Iammars, TonyMontana, Monty)

1 Inhim (Flying Dutchman)
2 Zu Faul (Yosarian2, Fritzler)
1 SSB! (PeaceBringer)

13 votes to lynch

SSB! has been prodded

[LyingBrian]

assigning kills to specific groups/individuals

i am still rather newbish when it comes to larger games & specific scum tells, so please explain to me why theorizing about how many groups and types of groups we have is a scum tell...

insinuating the presence of a cult without sufficient evidence

your right, here, there is no reason to suspect a cult at this present time... i was just making a suggestion, trying to keep an open mind... not entirely sure why this is a scum tell either, but maybe b/c it distracts the town from the KNOWN presence of Mafia?

and calling for a distrust of Masons.

i would like to know how you got this one... the only post i made concerning the masons was as follows:

@Blackberry

:
why does the fact that we had a Gunsmith mean that one of the masons is a SK? i don't follow...

even w/o knowing my true intentions behind this post, i would interpret this as questioning why we should assume there is a SK in the mason group, while again, trying to keep an open mind...this is of course exactly what i had in mind when i wrote this...

FOS: PookyTheMagicalBear, inHimshallibe

the reason i only FOS'd Pooky & inHim is b/c i think Vesuvan is just trying to find scum, while Pooky & inHim jumped on the bandwagon as soon as Vesuvan posted! (almost w/in 1 hour!)

oh, and BTW

unvote

[LyingBrian]

Lynching LyingBrian seems like a good play... But I'm holding my vote until tomorrow, after I have time to go back and reread a bit.

this struck me as odd... why do you assume that even if you get enough votes to make me roleclaim, that you would still lynch me? could be scum trying to make himself look less scummy by waiting to see how big the bandwagon would get, and rereading the thread to give himself validity for voting me...

FOS: Illumina

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is it our fault that we have so much respect for Vesuvan's skill that we take his words for gospel?

Sheesh, you can't be a good sheep anymore.

[LyingBrian]

@Pooky:

taking anybody's word as gospel can be disastrous... and i never wanted to be a sheep anyway... (Yes, i do realize there was a hint of sarcasm there!)


P.S. glad to see Pooky is back! although he's no longer big enough to give a "bear" hug...

P.P.S. O.K., that was lame!

[inHimshallibe]

Hey, guy, I already said before that you were my #1.

[LyingBrian]

Hey, guy, I already said before that you were my #1.

granted, but why are you voting for me other than Vesuvan's reasons?

LyingBrian, that makes no sense. Fritzler is absolutely confirmed.

I think maybe you're just confused, but confused shtick is often pulled by scum, too.

Vote: LyingBrian

this was your original post in which you voted for me... and i think we can both agree that at this point in time, Fritzler is not "absolutely" confirmed...so i guess it comes back to the fact that i suggested something which though not normal is possible... i am having trouble understanding why this is considered scummy...?

the whole cult thing is not something we need to investigate deeply or even waste a cop investigation on, just something to keep in the back of our minds...

[Illumina]

What I meant in my post is that, if it came to it, I'd be comfortable lynching you as things stand right now, based on previous suspicion and Vesuvan's analysis. (My focus would have been on you initially, today, if Gonzo hadn't drawn my attention the way he did - I've been curious about you since yesterday.)

But while I think that's probably a solid play, I'd still rather have as much information on you as I can get, based on how disturbingly easy it is for pro-towns to garner suspicion in this game.

[Monty]

Vesuvan wrote:
insinuating the presence of a cult without sufficient evidence

your right, here, there is no reason to suspect a cult at this present time... i was just making a suggestion, trying to keep an open mind... not entirely sure why this is a scum tell either, but maybe b/c it distracts the town from the KNOWN presence of Mafia?

FOS - Lying Brian

Unvote

This bothered me as well, but being relatively new here, many of the things that bother me are common occurrances. If cults aren't a common occurrence here...

This is troublesome.

[PeaceBringer]

Vote Count

6 LyingBrian (d8p StevieT92, Baby J, Vesuvan, Pooky, Inhim)

9 Gonzo (BabyJesus, inHim, LyingBrian, PeaceBringer, zu_Faul, TSAGod, Iammars, TonyMontana, Monty)

1 Inhim (Flying Dutchman)
2 Zu Faul (Yosarian2, Fritzler)
1 SSB! (PeaceBringer)

13 votes to lynch

SSB! has been prodded

He won't respond. I KNOW HE WON'T BE BACK