explain why before i give my reasons to suspectdrmyshottyizsik wrote:for once I agree with andrew these were my first reads tooandrew94 wrote:thadmiral, akira and chkflip are scummy as hell
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I know you cannot answer for gandalf, but no one can deny what he did yesterday was scummy. He hammered yesterday without and a claim and with questions still left unanswered, and then replaced out yet still posted in the thread after being replaced.There will be no kisses tonight
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I don't see why you need reasoning why I suspect a player who I'm not yet voting. And explaining town reads isn't really necessary unless it's a widely suspected player. I elaborated on Chess later in the post. It was a gut feel. It's all about reading motivation in his posts. Usually, he seems to have town's best interest in mind, though he's always viewed as scummy. In this game, I just didn't see that.ThAdmiral wrote:
There is lots of things about this post that is bad. Saying certain people are scum and town with no reason is bad. Also not explaining what is different about this game to other games where chess is obvtown is bad. There is also a strong difference between someone being not obvtown and scum.Sleepless Assassin wrote:Ok, so Chesskid and Smashbro are scum. Akira and implosion are town.
Vote Chesskid
To anyone with a problem with L-1 this early, suck it.
I've seen a few chesskid games where he says stupid shit and I'm thinking "the guy's obvtown" while he's being attacked. This isn't one of those games.
When did replacing out become a town tell?ThAdmiral wrote:Actually gandalf obviously can't respond...
vote: sleepless
I feel he was the scummiest by a slight margin.
Too scummy to be scum? Really?smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:I'm a little worried to write gandalf/shotty off as scum, because even though it was a very scummy hammer, it seems almost too scummy. SA is definitely my top pick, having one post aside from his original right now, and it isn't bursting with towniness. Not voting though, in light of how quick the voting went yesterday. Looking forward to what shotty has to say about gandalf's play.
Chevre wrote:I know you cannot answer for gandalf, but no one can deny what he did yesterday was scummy. He hammered yesterday without and a claim and with questions still left unanswered, and then replaced out yet still posted in the thread after being replaced.
Pretty sure Gandalf replaced out of all of his games.thad wrote:I don't think gandalf is crummy enough to leave someone else in his own pile of shit if he felt he was going to get busted as scum. If he is I will be disappointed.
If drmy is scum, so is one of thad/smashbro.
If drmy is town, Chevre is scum.
^Based on Day 2 interactions.
Now to focus on our flipped scum:
Town points to thad. This doesn't look like a post you'd make to your scumbuddy.Chaotic wrote:Vote: ThAdmiral
His avatar actually intimidates me. That's a first.
Chaotic wrote:Chkflip is being entirely too defensive of Andrew.
chesskid is being entirely too aggressive on Andrew.
The Bus Driver Organization looks the scummiest thus far.
'Chevre' looks entirely too much like 'chévere' which means 'great' or 'fantastic' in Spanish.
This, along with the fact that he ended up voting Chess, could say a few things about chk.Chaotic wrote:
chesskid's aggressiveness, but the scumminess of it is negligible.chevre wrote:Anyway, which is more scummy, chkflip's defensiveness or chesskid's aggressiveness?
1) Chaotic was setting himself up to vote either player if a wagon ever picked up, which the Chess one did.
2) Chaotic named a townie and a scumbuddy, eventually lazily going after the townie.
Number two seems more likely because chk wasn't really someone who was likely to be wagoned.
Also, the Chevre thing is either buddying to town, or being really ballsy buddying to a scumbuddy. Chevre is probably town. Based on my drmy connections posted earlier, and these reads based on Chaotic, the scum team should be drmy/smashbro/chk. I'm most confident on chk because it comes directly from looking back at flipped scum.
Vote chkflip
Another quick note...
Andrew gets town points. I doubt Chaotic would try this on a scumbuddy.Chaotic wrote:Andrew is easy enough to read that I'd keep him beyond D1 just so I have a semi-confirmed alignment (unless he does something scummy, of course).
Also worth noting:
Chaotic never mentioned or interacted with Akira or implosion, but did so with everyone else. May need to rethink those town reads.
Implosion calls Chaotic town once and Akira never even mentions Chaotic. Looks real bad for Akira.
So, here's where we're at, in order of scuminess:
chkflip - Likely scum via Chaotic
Akira - Possibly scum
gandalf5166Drmyshottyissik - Possibly scum with Smashbro
smashbro_of_the_SSS - Possibly scum with Drmy
implosion - Possibly scum
andrew94 -Likely town
Chevre - Likely town
ThAdmiral - Likely town3-2 as scum and 5-8 as town
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This makes sense.Sleepless Assassin wrote:Usually, he seems to have town's best interest in mind, though he's always viewed as scummy. In this game, I just didn't see that.
This changes things.Sleepless Assassin wrote:Pretty sure Gandalf replaced out of all of his games.
Also @ sleepless: good analysis.
I'd prefer an akira lynch.
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Isn't it scummier to actually call CN town than to not have any interaction at all with him?Sleepless Assassin wrote:Implosion calls Chaotic town once and Akira never even mentions Chaotic. Looks real bad for Akira.
Besides, if you look back, you 'll notice that I've actually only mentioned 3-4 players during the whole game. I'll try to be more active, but what I'm trying to say is that CN is only one of the eight players which I never addressed in my posts. I fail to see where this "real bad" situation comes from.
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Yeah. I'm really not sure if a scum player would put down a hammer this early and bring all of the attention to himself. it seems like scum players would play more cautiously. You mentioned me earlier as a scum read, before I made the above comment. Why did you think I was scummy then?Sleepless Assassin wrote:
Too scummy to be scum? Really?smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:I'm a little worried to write gandalf/shotty off as scum, because even though it was a very scummy hammer, it seems almost too scummy. SA is definitely my top pick, having one post aside from his original right now, and it isn't bursting with towniness. Not voting though, in light of how quick the voting went yesterday. Looking forward to what shotty has to say about gandalf's play.
also, you call me scum, along with a few other possibilities. But you voted chkflip for interactions with CN. Is there anything abouy chkflip himself that is scummy? what do you think of his play?
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I've played with gandalf before and he can be pretty cavalier as scum.smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:
Yeah. I'm really not sure if a scum player would put down a hammer this early and bring all of the attention to himself. it seems like scum players would play more cautiously.Sleepless Assassin wrote:Too scummy to be scum? Really?Don't ask me to provide self meta-
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It has already been explained that gandalf5166 replaced out of all his games. drmyshottyizsik has explained his circumstances, and if doesn't get around to it in a few days, then I'd rather have him replaced then lynch him.There will be no kisses tonight
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Still, I don't see that there is any strong want for his lynch right now, not quite sure why you're worried about that.
Oh, and ThAD.ThAdmiral wrote:I don't think gandalf is crummy enough to leave someone else in his own pile of shit if he felt he was going to get busted as scum. If he is I will be disappointed.ThAdmiral wrote:
I've played with gandalf before and he can be pretty cavalier as scum.smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:
Yeah. I'm really not sure if a scum player would put down a hammer this early and bring all of the attention to himself. it seems like scum players would play more cautiously.Sleepless Assassin wrote:Too scummy to be scum? Really?
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I agree with Sleepless that there is a suspicious connection between chkflip and Chaotic, I especially don't like this:
The way chkflip was pushed behind a townie in scumminess adds some flavor. Yet there's nothing in chkflip's actual play which says scum to me.Chaotic Neutrality wrote:
chesskid's aggressiveness, but the scumminess of it is negligible.Chevre wrote:Anyway, which is more scummy, chkflip's defensiveness or chesskid's aggressiveness?
At the same time, there's gandalf. Other than the hammer there's this:
I'll have to agree with Chaotic when he said "That logic is disgusting". chesskid's post is by no means a towntell, regardless of his flip.gandalf5166 wrote:
Haha. You're funny. Town(I doubt scum would make a claim this ridiculous), but hilarious.chesskid3 wrote:Because the target of crappy psuedo-not random votes early on D1 is always town?
Now I'm not sure that scum (Chaotic) would call out on his buddy so aggressively, or maybe it's just extreme bussing, but what makes it worse is that gandalf never replied to Chaotic. It almost looks like a "Be more careful, buddy." post.
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