Without further ado:
Spoiler: Don't say I didn't warn you PART 1
I just don't think I agree with this. What about the Sub? I mean, if an American gets a Sub, should he just not use it? There are a lot of players in this game, JC.JC 425 wrote:There is no good reason to launch independent of a wagon with votes. Period.
But this is a good thing.JC 431 wrote:For the same reason it doesn't work in other Mafia games, it won't work here. Even if the person does nuke back on a town nuke it still is rich with information from the wagon.
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What in the name of all that is holy, loving, and sacred, is this supposed to mean? Your ideas frighten and confuse me, and my natural reaction is to say that you are that much scummier for suggesting them. This sounds like some form of nuclear reaction fishing gone wild. You putting it out here like this in the middle of nowhere is something I will remember.Toogeloo 442 wrote:Also, it would be somewhat interesting for someone to declare they have a nuke and go through 2 weeks of discussion only for him to say he doesn't have said nuke and just wanted to see how the discussion went.
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I agree with your argument, but I just don't agree that it fits here.JC 452 wrote:OK IF SOMEBODY IN THIS GAME DOESN'T ANSWER THIS ARGUMENT AND PUT IT DOWN, I FRANKLY GIVE UP AND GANDALF IS MY NUKE IF I GET ONE.
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Liking AV again this game (Post 454)
I agree with Toogeloo here (post 463)
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But you should understand that not everyone might be able to make the best use of all the power roles. Like Percy concluded, the Fail Safe is probably not a great roll for town. If someone is nuking you, statistically they have better odds of being Americans than anything else. Scum are probably going to be exceptionally careful about nuking someone in this game.JC 486 wrote:Are you aware that there are 10 power roles?
That said, I do kind of agree with you that most of the powers should probably be selected before a silo, but if players think they'll have more luck with a silo (which actually is a pretty decent power given that it works as either a one-shot kill or as a one-nuke protection). So, I mean, in conclusions, the silo
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I can agree with this, yeah.Spyrex 500 wrote:So, what would I do as scum here? Just this. Control as much as possible (note: this is also part of the problem with "THE LIST" but I'll get there later).
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Post 505 and 508 are both good Toogeloo posting. I'm really liking our panda at this point.
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So your argument is really, "he didn't post what I thought he should, so he's scum"?Fate 517 wrote:You DIDNT post BakuTown clarification relaxed and observant Town post.
Yep. It is. This is crap, Fate. This is you injecting some predetermined context into what Toogeloo should do.Fate 525 wrote:When you read this post your reaction wasn't:
"defending dana? I wasn't defending dana.
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You reaction WAS INSTEAD:
"I never defended dana!
Fate: I know what you're going to say!
Toogeloo: No you don't, I think this!
Fate: WTF YOU ARE SCUM THEN!
Everyone does. Townies have to scumhunt, but that doesn't mean they know everyone thinks they're town. They can't get lynched either. They have to make sure they stay on top of things and get people to understand them.Fate 533 wrote:Youre fucking quote snipping.
Anyways, you're blowing this entirely out of proportion and playing your hand way too quickly. If there was any connection between Toogeloo and dana, they're aware you're onto them now.
He's commenting on a completely different topic.Fate 534 wrote:YOU EITHER COMMENT ON IT, ELABORATE ON WHY YOU WANTED MY SPYREX READ, COMMENT ON MY SPYREX READ, GIVE ME SOME THOUGHTS ON DANA AND TOOG, OR STAY THE FUCK OUT OF IT.
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This is a silly stance, truly. It's also hypocritical. You attached yourself to Percy's famous post as soon as you saw it, and I don't remember you criticizing him for his list, yet, when me or Toogeloo elaborate on suggestions for choosing powers, you seem fixated on it.JC 540 wrote:Your refusal to admit the potential impact of your list is also troubling.
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For what it's worth, I know it. This is Fate playing to his character rather than actually keeping a critical eye on the game, which suggests to me that he's trying to make townies see boogeymen where there are no boogeymen.Toogeloo 541 wrote:It's DEFCON 4... I got nothing but interaction reads atm. The only "buddying" that's happened is those who feel we should commune on our Nuke use, and those who want to be rebels.
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What are you talking about let him respond? He's talking about your assessment, not Percy's. There's no dodging here, it's a completely valid argument. "Suggestive lists" aren't scummy. I mean, you'd have to be pretty thick to think that if I told everyone that Fighter was a good pick that that necessarily means that I'm scum trying to lead people to Fighter and away from another power. Who's to say which power is more useful in X's hands rather than Y's? It's WIFOM and it's pointless.JC 543 wrote:I'll let him respond to that when he gets back in two days 9.9 But that's quite the dodge.
But the fact that you didn't have a problem when Percy did the same thing earlier is what's most troubling.
This doesn't sound particularly sincere. Percy's list wasn't exactly hard to miss. I mean, frankly, he made two big, sweeping positions in that post. One was about community-controlled nukes, and the other was about choosing powers. It's hard for me to believe that you missed that, honestly.JC 547 wrote:So ya, I guess you've succeeded in lessening my town view of him.
Eh, I don't buy it. You're moving a mile a minute in your posts. That's not my problem and it's not Toogeloo's problem. You're out of control because you're throwing silly arguments across the board without putting any weight behind them. Toogeloo calls you on it and all you can give him is that you can't keep track of it all? Nah.JC 551 wrote:For some reason this second example in my head = your first one as well. That one got quoted so many times in a row it stuck in my head. Thanks.
No, I mean, this isn't right. I wish I could check the thread 30 times a day like you both do so I could've responded to this earlier. You saw my post because you responded to it. The Fighter was merely an example. I said that if you want an investigative role because you've been successful with Cop or Tracker like roles, then that should be near the top of your list.JC 555 wrote:RC seemed to warm up to the "choose cop first" idea as well.
Look, the point is you are being overly general and losing track of everything thanks in part to your hectic style but also thansk in part to the fact that you want to smear people for giving valid opinions on the power system. The motivation for the latter part is likely scum-oriented.
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Why aren't any of the other lurkers comrades?IS 576 wrote:Glad you could join us there, komrade bobsnox.
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Because rational players will act rational and irrational players will act irrational. I doubt there will be much cross interference. I don't think we'll be seeing Percy nuking AV, or vice versa, anytime soon. Both of you have different points of view, but both of you are also able to hold a discussion without needing to enter launch codes.Percy 578 wrote:Why is it that sanctioning nuking is a bad thing? I think getting as many people involved in the nuking process and limiting the chaos a nuke-filled game promises is a good idea. Is there any reason why we shouldn't sanction nuking?
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No one wants to read 10 pages of the same back and forth between you, JC, and Toogeloo.Fate 588 wrote:Bunny way to oversimplify the case, what the fucks the matter with you people?