DEFCON Mafia 2.0 - Over, American Victory!

[Jed Cooper]

JC: I still think its naieve to think that trying to control nukes will only catch scum.

This is totally misrep.

If someone can give a good reason for their launch AFTER it's been sent, do you think they still need the rope? And if they do need to be hung, doesn't this ruin the current wagon?

There is no good reason to launch independent of a wagon with votes. Period.

This is just basic Mafia theory. The truth is that there are too many players with the same selfish "

I

want to vig because

I

want to" attitude which is nothing short of selfish and anti-town.

I admit that this is a game of nuclear warfare it will be wildly fun to use the nukes -- the truth is though that the scum benefit from it because they will have nukes too, including possibly a sub, while town-town nuking is also probable.

If someone can show me how we can make a bandwagon out of all these nukes flying eveywhere then I would follow this nuke-freely doctrine but that's the whole point -- there isn't any way to do that other than town sanctioned nukes with wagon votes.

[SpyreX]

ANSWER MY QUESTION TIA

Sorry Panda-kun, Panda-chan just flows better.

[Toogeloo]

You could call me Senpai if you prefer ^_^ as I am probably older than you as well... But as long as we all know I'm not a cute little thing or a teenage girl or something >_>.

So are you playing mafia by phone or something?

[Jed Cooper]

Which one of these scenarios is a 'town controlled nuke':

1.) PLAYER nukes his gut scum read.
2.) PLAYER says he has a nuke, has feelings time, and after the consensus is decided upon

2 weeks later

nukes said target.

#2 because of the paper trail. The nuke provides instant information for the town who then is able to repeat or lynch with even more information before the NK.

[Kitoari]

Which one of these scenarios is a 'town controlled nuke':

1.) PLAYER nukes his gut scum read.
2.) PLAYER says he has a nuke, has feelings time, and after the consensus is decided upon

2 weeks later

nukes said target.

#2 because of the paper trail. The nuke provides instant information for the town who then is able to repeat or lynch with even more information before the NK.

Unfortunately your plan also gives scum the benefit of being able to go "bawww the consensus told me to" when they nuke town.

[Kitoari]

EBWOP: and that's not going to count the fact that pretty much any player will nuke once they've been nuked.

[Jed Cooper]

Which one of these scenarios is a 'town controlled nuke':

1.) PLAYER nukes his gut scum read.
2.) PLAYER says he has a nuke, has feelings time, and after the consensus is decided upon

2 weeks later

nukes said target.

#2 because of the paper trail. The nuke provides instant information for the town who then is able to repeat or lynch with even more information before the NK.

Unfortunately your plan also gives scum the benefit of being able to go "bawww the consensus told me to" when they nuke town.

For the same reason it doesn't work in other Mafia games, it won't work here. Even if the person does nuke back on a town nuke it still is rich with information from the wagon.

[gandalf5166]

You really are a funny guy, Jed. You honestly think that dayvigs should be used as a second lynch? FUCK NO. Dayvigs are used just like any power role. They're used to align with YOUR reads. The whole point of a dayvig is that you can take someone out WITHOUT waiting for the town to agree with you.

[Jed Cooper]

Only if you are unclaimed Gandalf. If you are trying to say that a claimed dayvig shouldn't be used as town, that is only an argument from scum.

[Jed Cooper]

Thats the point here. Scum can hide in silos. Just because somebody says "IVE GOT A NUKE AND I HAVE MONSTER READS LETS KILL THE HAPPY PEOPLE" doesn't make them town. What makes them town is allowing the town to guide their nuke of the happy people with a wagon.

[Kitoari]

Only if you are unclaimed Gandalf. If you are trying to say that a claimed dayvig shouldn't be used as town, that is only an argument from scum.

You can't be sure that someone in this setup is silo/not silo until they post

NUKE: whoever

.

[SpyreX]

A combination of phone and my wifes laptop which is not my beautiful machines.

And I would be surprised if you're that much older than me if at all.

On a more pertinent note the simple fact jed opted for the choice that involves everyone as more town controlled than the other is that tipping point between stubborn town and obstinate scum.

[Jed Cooper]

EBWOP: allowing a wagon doesn't make them town but it at least allows the town to control the scum (if they are) and that is +town.

[Jed Cooper]

Only if you are unclaimed Gandalf. If you are trying to say that a claimed dayvig shouldn't be used as town, that is only an argument from scum.

You can't be sure that someone in this setup is silo/not silo until they post

NUKE: whoever

.

Yes well with everyone on board someone will claim silo to allow it to be used for the town; that is the sdame thing as launching and that's the same thing as a claimed dayvig.

[Internet Stranger]

... the town that has communist sympathizers in their midst? Sorry there Mr. Lenin Cheerleader, My nuke belongs to the good ol' U.S. of god damn A. and will be used accordingly to the whims of its owner. That being a very American me. Its the American way, and its the way it shall be done.

This aint some communist hippie commune where some arbitraty liberal ninny tells me what to do with my nuclear beatstick. My nuclear beatstick will be used to assrape a filthy communist scum and they will thank me for it afterwards.

[Jed Cooper]

A combination of phone and my wifes laptop which is not my beautiful machines.

And I would be surprised if you're that much older than me if at all.

On a more pertinent note the simple fact jed opted for the choice that involves everyone as more town controlled than the other is that tipping point between stubborn town and obstinate scum.

And this makes sense how in Mafia theory?

[Jed Cooper]

... the town that has communist sympathizers in their midst? Sorry there Mr. Lenin Cheerleader, My nuke belongs to the good ol' U.S. of god damn A. and will be used accordingly to the whims of its owner. That being a very American me. Its the American way, and its the way it shall be done.

This aint some communist hippie commune where some arbitraty liberal ninny tells me what to do with my nuclear beatstick. My nuclear beatstick will be used to assrape a filthy communist scum and they will thank me for it afterwards.

"I'm a claimed dayvig but don't worry I'm town and so I'm just going to vig at will". Since when has this been allowed in a game of mafia??

[Toogeloo]

I'm coming up on 35 years of age.

Also, it would be somewhat interesting for someone to declare they have a nuke and go through 2 weeks of discussion only for him to say he doesn't have said nuke and just wanted to see how the discussion went.

[Kitoari]

Only if you are unclaimed Gandalf. If you are trying to say that a claimed dayvig shouldn't be used as town, that is only an argument from scum.

You can't be sure that someone in this setup is silo/not silo until they post

NUKE: whoever

.

Yes well with everyone on board someone will claim silo to allow it to be used for the town; that is the sdame thing as launching and that's the same thing as a claimed dayvig.

ITT someone advocates a mass claim on..
Stuff:

DEFCON 3 we lynch, so D1
Then night, but no scum nk so 19 alive.
We lynch again at Defcon 2 (D1 still, essentially), 18 left.
Scum kill, 17 left.
Defcon 1, Essentially Day 2

.. Day 2. In a large.

[gandalf5166]

Only if you are unclaimed Gandalf. If you are trying to say that a claimed dayvig shouldn't be used as town, that is only an argument from scum.

HAHAHAHAHA. Yes. You never direct a vig, because SCUM can influence a directed vig.

[Toogeloo]

Americans have two separate factions it seems as well...

The hand holding, love your neighbor, Mormons, and the shoot first, mount it (define as you will), and hang it, then ask questions later, Louisiana marsh-dwelling Rednecks. Choose a side my fellow Americans ^_^.

[Internet Stranger]

This is isnt mafia. I know it kinda looks like it, but its not. Its DEFmnf'ingCON. Whatever scum isnt lynched in a month is going to get nuked into a glowing pile of bones in a hail of sweet American nuclear glory. God Bless America!

[Toogeloo]

Don't forget Kitoari... there are two scum factions. We will be losing 2 players a night starting on DEFCON 2.

[Kitoari]

Don't forget Kitoari... there are two scum factions. We will be losing 2 players a night starting on DEFCON 2.

Oh, duh.

I guess that makes Defcon 1 more like Day 3.

Still though.

[Jed Cooper]

Only if you are unclaimed Gandalf. If you are trying to say that a claimed dayvig shouldn't be used as town, that is only an argument from scum.

HAHAHAHAHA. Yes. You never direct a vig, because SCUM can influence a directed vig.

Excuse me but you claim vig in a an open setup where the vig can be town or scum, and you DON'T allow the town to influence your vig? That is only scum hiding in the vig claim and is lynched.