DEFCON Mafia 2.0 - Over, American Victory!

[chesskid3]

LOL

[Toogeloo]

Hmmm I see the merits now with the whole "SET UP ZE DEFENSES" aspect that I didn't think of.

There are two of each role though, max, right?

Toog'
s posts with the 4s and the 3s and the piling made my head hurt >_>

Only

one

instance of each activated and passive abilities exists. If multiple players desire the same ability, a randomization system will be used to distribute it. It is

highly

recommended that you send a list of multiple choices ranked by preference in case you do not receive your first choice. If you do not send me a preference by the time DEFCON 3 begins (either because you sent me nothing OR you sent only a single activated ability choice and you did not win it), a missile silo will automatically be deployed for you

Scum piling ensures greater odds of getting the role they want. If a 3 man scum team piles onto Sub, there is a semi-decent likelihood they will get it for someone on their team, amplified dramatically by how few Americans take sub first. This is only an example, and they may pile on to Air Base or Aircraft Carrier for all we know. That's why I was stating we should make sure all Americans at least try to put in for one of the better abilities, but not focus on discussing dispersion as to help WIFOM which skills are better or worse to pile onto. With luck, Americans will take most of the high priority roles.

[Toogeloo]

I must be one of the few people who actually likes IS atm btw. Play the crazy redneck card and possibly some WIFOM while you're at it.

[bobsnox]

^ this guy seems like scum, btw.

qft

[Fate]

OH LAWD NOT ANOTHER ONE

NOT ANOTHER ONE GOD DMAN IT

[Toogeloo]

[quote="VasudeVa"]@Fate: One of each PR. Meaning, we get at most 10 PRs and at least 10 nukes(That's a lot of nukes, now that I think of it. >.>)./quote]If all 10 nukes, and the sub, live to DEFCON 1, I will be mighty impressed and I would call for nuclear winter.

[Toogeloo]

@Fate: One of each PR. Meaning, we get at most 10 PRs and at least 10 nukes(That's a lot of nukes, now that I think of it. >.>).

If all 10 nukes, and the sub, live to DEFCON 1, I will be mighty impressed and I would call for nuclear winter.

fix'd

[Jed Cooper]

What the hell? how did that get there? I posted this, let's see if it works this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znEePD1nJxo

That's more like it.

And chess, don't let the name fool you. Coyote's are indigenous to North America anyways. The red just means I'm

red-blooded

, as in a red-blooded, gun-toating, and God-fearing American here to kick some commie ass, old school style.

Ya but the guy in there isn't a coyote...

[Jed Cooper]

Internet Stranger is scum.
American doesn't resort to nukes.
GG.

Can you be a little more specific?

[Jed Cooper]

Thanks for the suggestion.

Apart from putting sub at 1 (since it's very very dangerous in scum's hands) I think people should pick what they want/think they can use best.

^ this.

[chesskid3]

does fail-safe work on the sub?

(Yes, it does. --AGM)

[Toogeloo]

Fail Safe doesn't preclude it by the looks of it. It just says you launch if they launch...

[Percy]

Before we get started,

Q: How does the randomization process work?
A: Choices are resolved with a focus on first-choice maximization. I will begin by attempting to award each player his or her first choice. If multiple players are in contention for a single ability, random.org will determine who gets it. Once all possible first choices have been awarded, I will move on to the second choice echelon and attempt to award a second choice to each player who did not receive a first choice. This will continue, so on and so forth, until each player has received an ability.

I want everyone to be crystal clear on this. There were some players last game who thought you needed to choose missile silo, offensive troops or defensive troops, and

then

list the abilities in that subsection by preference. This is

not the case

.

For example, this is a perfectly valid preference list:

Preference list

1. Aircraft Carrier
2. Submarine
3. Espionage
4. Radar
5. Fail Safe
6. Missile Silo in Anti-Ballistic Missile Mode

So when it comes to choosing preferences, make sure you read all the rules carefully. Don't fuck things up, because it's anti-town.

Another thing to clear up:
1. There are both Active and Passive abilities that are extremely useful for the town,
2. There are pro-town reasons to target people with pro-town abilities.

Last game we had a (town) player claim a Radar result, which tracked a (town) player's Fighter ability to a (town) player who had deployed defensive troops. The first player accused the second of doing something shady, outing both roles; then the second player accused the third of being scum, because "only scum would want defensive troops". All three town PRs were outed and the resulting confusion was huge.

I also advise you all to read the flavour, it is fucking fantastic. Oh, and buy DEFCON, it's like $10 from Steam and it is so much fun.

A shame that there won't be any delicious code for me to translate. It was fun last time; cracking the Vigenere cipher when I didn't know the code word was particularly rewarding


My take on the abilities:

Fighter - An OK choice. This role should not reveal its information until it has caught someone in a lie, which will only happen if someone else claims. I wouldn't be sad if no-one took this ability, but it's OK.
Espionage - A great choice. This is basically a cop, but it's useful to the scum too. Expect it to be high on many people's lists.
Aircraft Carrier - An OK choice. It's good for the scum, especially in a LyLo situation, but it's good for town too; last game a scum player had their launch prevented.
Battleship - A great choice. This is basically a doc, and everything said for Espionage applies here too.
Radar - A good choice. It's a tracker role, and well worth taking.

Submarine - This gives one player an untrackable vig kill. I'd say most people want it, but few would be willing to admit they have it. Expect it to be high on many player's lists.
Eavesdrop - A good choice. At least one scumteam is going to have a hard time nighttalking, but expect to wrangle with a lot of WIFOM until your head hurts.
Air Base - The only thing that can kill you is nukes and lynches, so it's a good choice, but you're also immune to things like Fighter and Espionage, so people will probably freak out.
Fallout Shelter - In my opinion this is less useful than Air Base, but still useful.
Fail Safe - An extremely anti-town power to take.

Missile Silo - Most people will be getting these. I strongly suggest you have it in Anti-Ballistic mode and keep it there.


I see that Toogeloo has vis opinions on the abilities here, check those out too.

Can we be renamed 'Mericans please?

Come on, it's pronounced Meerkins!

We should pick someone by consensus who we believe is town to have them take one of the obviously pro-scum abilities.

I thought this was a bad idea last game, and I think it's a bad idea this game. We don't want the scum to know where abilities are, especially the good ones. We don't even want to give them a head start. I

strongly

suggest we leave ability selection up to each individual person, and don't try to game the system in any way. Gains for town are negligible, gains for scum are much more.

The last game was pretty big on Ciphers, codebreaking and stuff like that. (Percy was so badass last game, decrypting ciphers by pen and paper. That's where I got my mental image of him 8D.). It'll be nice if the people who take eavesdrop know about that too.

As far as I can tell, there will be no obfuscation of the english language (i.e. no codes), but I can imagine there will still be workarounds.

What do you guys say about a sub claim? It was a discussion we had from last game. Although, Scum did get the sub so it wasn't really a big deal. But, suppose an American gets the sub: Should he claim or not?

No. They should claim at the beginning of DEFCON 1 and let the town direct the kill.

In case anyone is interested, the first game is here, and might be a good idea to read over.

For the record, this attitude:

MY NUKE ISNT GOING TO RESULT FROM A TOWN CIRCLE JERKING, I.E. DONT BOTHER TRYING TO CONTROL IT WITH PSEUDO-VOTES.
MY NUKE IS THE NUKE THAT SHALL PIERCE THE HEAVENS.

...is going to earn votes from me. The more nuke-crazy we get, and the more we rely on personal decision making when it comes to nukes, the harder things will be for the town.

And in the current spirit of the thread,

FUCK

YEAH!!!

[Katsuki]

I'd love to hear what all the 1.0 vets have to say about their views.

One question. How is failsafe an anti-town role, percy?

p.s. Love the pics!

[Percy]

Two reasons.

1. I hope that all nukes that are fired in this game are sanctioned to some degree by the town. I am going to work very hard to achieve this. Fail Safe means you can't nuke a player, which is an unnecessary complication.
2. It is far more likely that someone is going to get nuked by town than by the scum, simply by the numbers. If you're town, you're probably going to end up killing someone that is town with the ability. This is not good.

[bobsnox]

@Percy - I literally LOLed at those pics.

[SpyreX]

WHY DONT WE ALL CHOOSE NUKES AND NUKE TILL ALL SCUM ARE DEAD WHEN THE BELL TOLLS FOR THEE.

True dat.

Double true.

IF I decide to go for the submarine AND I get it you can guarantee I'm not tellin no one. The bombs will be my only <3

[Andrius]

Oh, and buy DEFCON, it's like $10 from Steam and it is so much fun.

While I certainly didn't mean to post, I must say that the demo for DEFCON is free, and is pretty much the game minus online play. So its cool enough. And its FREE.

Last game we had a (town) player claim a Radar result, which tracked a (town) player's Fighter ability to a (town) player who had deployed defensive troops.

There were some players last game who thought you needed to choose missile silo, offensive troops or defensive troops, and then list the abilities in that subsection by preference. This is not the case.

Glad to know I made a good first impression on you, Percy.

[Jed Cooper]

The last game was pretty big on Ciphers, codebreaking and stuff like that. (Percy was so badass last game, decrypting ciphers by pen and paper. That's where I got my mental image of him 8D.). It'll be nice if the people who take eavesdrop know about that too.

Ciphers are not allowed in this game.

What do you guys say about a sub claim? It was a discussion we had from last game. Although, Scum did get the sub so it wasn't really a big deal. But, suppose an American gets the sub: Should he claim or not?

That sub angle from last game looked really nifty. It would work even better here because the minumum of 4 silos for the Americans. The hidden strike capability is a pro-scum trait. The worst case scenario will be that nobody claims sub (the scum have it). The only downside is that it helps scum to narrow the abilities that each townie has if they don't get the sub.

I think its totally worth it and I think if a townie has the sub they should claim.

[SpyreX]

Again, theoretically, I get something I'm giving it up on my terms.

Time to get back to roots. BLOOD GOD STYLE WHAT

[Jed Cooper]

Scum:
IS
Fate


Different scumteams. Calling it now.

this.

[Jed Cooper]

I must be one of the few people who actually likes IS atm btw. Play the crazy redneck card and possibly some WIFOM while you're at it.

You mean IS is townie to you or you like him as scum?

[Jed Cooper]

@Percy: Welcome to America!

[Internet Stranger]

Wow, it would really suck if Percy turns out to be a commie sympathizer, right?

TRUST NO ONE.

Nukes will be flying, despite the attempts at constant manipulation by the peace loving one-world government hippies. The communist scum will be ferreted out and disposed off. Either by lynching or crispy-critter style.

[Toogeloo]

I must be one of the few people who actually likes IS atm btw. Play the crazy redneck card and possibly some WIFOM while you're at it.

You mean IS is townie to you or you like him as scum?

Townie... just a vibe I'm getting. Never played with the guy, so I could be wrong and giving him more credit than he deserves, but it just doesn't come off as logical scum play.