PYP 4: New Homes, Same Problems (Day 5)

[Jack]

Also, his excuses are crappy. Good job hoopla being right even though for the wrong reason.

Not wrong, just different.

Isn't the reason scum get more unique numbers because they go for high numbers more often? Shh, I'm vindicated.

Anyway, I have a great dislike for Guderians 231 which is what started me on that research, especially the push for claims on everyone. I'll think about that in context of his gandalf vote later.

[Guderian]

I hardly pushed for claims on everyone, only the four people with unique numbers, and if worst came to worst, sacrificing 2 town for 2 scum in a 17 town v 5 scum game is a fantastic ratio.

Of course, just nailing scum without claiming is better all round.

[Hoopla]

Just Guderian and Gandalf should claim. We only have one noose for today. No point exposing anything more than we need to.

[Jack]

1's and 2's from past games:

mafia b: (2,8)...
mafia a: (2,11)...
pyp2: (1,1)...
pyp3: (2,12)...

Scum has never not gone for 1 or 2. I think that fits with the pattern as well (scum picking a wide range). It's true that there were 8 town who went for 1 or 2 in that timeframe but I don't think it's relevant--because the scum pattern should exist independently of what the town happens to pick. So Guderian and

Guderian

vollkan are suspect this game.

So it isn't "people with unique numbers" that are suspicious, it's "people with 1-2 or 10-15".

[Hoopla]

I like your style Jack. Odds of Guderian

and

Gandalf being scum?

[Guderian]

also of note, considering we are on this numerological path:

pyp2: (1,1), (3,7), (6,4), (7,2), (12,1)

pyp3: (2,12), (4,8), (5,4), (12,3), (13,7)

note the number of times the scum pick and x number not followed by a 1. it happens 8/10 times for the last two games. 80%. It would seem that not picking a one in the y value is an attempt to take suspicion away from the scum.

preview: hoopla, 0%.

[Jack]

Odds are...Gud.

[Jack]

2 scum out of 10 and 8 townies out of 34?

20%
8/34 = 23.5%

Not significant. This just seems like a point you made up because you yourself picked 1.

I distinctly remember picking (7,2) instead of seven one because we agreed that while picking 1 was the correct play doing it was a scumtell because scum were more likely to have realized that through discussion. But where did

you

get the idea that scum would avoid it? Probably from the scum qt.

Very Gud.

[Parama]

I see several people who say they feel I'm scum, and none of them are voting me.
This is gonna be a fun game :>

[Guderian]

Does having a brain count, or is that privilege only reserved for a select few?

Its not like town and scum couldn't come to that same conclusion.

This game has 10/22 people picking one as y, just a shade under 50%, which is where the analysis of one came from.

[chkflip]

@Parama:
- Yeah, I have just kind of been HERE because I haven't contributed jack. Game started when I was out of town and, if you missed it, I just said I'm sick. I don't want to v/la out, and I won't, just expect my post count and relevene to shoot through the roof when my head stops burning up.

[Parama]

@Parama:
- Yeah, I have just kind of been HERE because I haven't contributed jack. Game started when I was out of town and, if you missed it, I just said I'm sick. I don't want to v/la out, and I won't, just expect my post count and relevene to shoot through the roof when my head stops burning up.

Cool. I will give you town points if you follow through on this and don't make a mockery of it.

[LlamaFluff]

I see several people who say they feel I'm scum, and none of them are voting me.
This is gonna be a fun game :>

Meh, most of your secondary reads look good but your vote is in the wrong spot. Ben is still scum. The number thing is a little confusing to me since I see it, but I dont think we should base a D1 lynch on it.

I could easily see gandalf being the "lurker" part of my scum list though, and if it came down to him or Guard it would be no contest where my vote would be. The loud one I have an idea but I want to see them dig themselves a bit of a hole before biting.

[SpyreX]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Benmage

- 2 - PranaDevil, llamafluff - (L-10)

gandalf5166

- 3 - Hoopla, Benmage, Jack, Guderian - (L-8)

Guderian

- 6 - Fate, Drippinggoofball, Parama, inHimshallibe, Ellibereth, Pomegranate - (L-6)

Jack

- 1 - Andrius - (L-11)

llamafluff

- 1 - xvart - (L-11)

slowsilver

- 1 - Le Cupcake - (L-11)

xvart

- 5 - iamausername, Sajin, Volkan, slowsilver, Rabies - (L-7)

Players not voting: chkflip, gandalf5166,

Sooo many pages. <3

[Guderian]

alert, i voted gandalf.

[vollkan]

Do you want game threads or MD threads? Multiple of both exist. Especially for the vig hate. I even adhere to the like for vanilla games to an extent as a mod, you were in that last mountainous-esq theme I ran

1 town game, and 1 md please.

And I accept your point that Popularity Mafia is relevant here, but I don't think the fact that you chose a setup is clear evidence of a broader attitude.

2 I just chose two numbers around the midway point, got around the area in the draft I wanted actually

You

wanted

to be towards the bottom?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: llama

xvart.

hahahahahahahahaha

You're scum

VOTE: xvart

If you're so sure he is scum, why not put in an explanation that would convince other people of it?

The Xvart wagon is really dumb, mostly because I can't figure out why so many people think he's scummy. Someone post a succinct analysis/summary of why xvart is being wagoned, because I would really like to know. I'm obviously opposed to his lynch (today) due to him not being a unique number, but I doubt the case against him has any substance.

=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtop ... 3#p2640883

Note that I've retracted the +5, since the role in question didn't exist

I would also say, and maybe I missed something in an earlier post of yours that explains this, but why does the fact that one player has a non-unique number make them less likely to be scum, as opposed to it simply being unlikely that they are scum with the person/s with whom they share the number?

Jack is scum

xvart is town
...
Ask and thou shall receive.

Please explain this one.

@Anybody:

Can somebody explain the Guderian-hate to me?

Because he doesn't say anything at all in that post. Nothing of any sort of substance. It's just a fluff comment: "yes this is likely, yes

As opposed to?

What business does SlowSilver have speculating on llama's internal motivations for wanting to be at the bottom of the list?

If you think a particular tell is invalid, there's normally no reason not to speak up.

Unless you think there is a good reason to wait and see how the other player responds.

/self-explanatory
Yeah... so many things wrong here. You're not voting... anyone... yet you call for a bandwagon. On a stupid BM vote. For no reason.

I don't get what the scumtell here is.

parama, that's quite a list you've got there.

Passive as hell.

@Guderian: What was the point of saying "that's quite a list"?

If youre trying to get scum lynched, maybe you should vote yourself, instead of me? Just a thought.

How about a FATE case on you?

1. the second letter of your name is an a
2. the second letter of mafia is an a
3. YOUR SCUM SPAM SPAM SPAM

Wow. You're really serious here? And you're still not voting. The lack of a vote is quite damning. If you think someone is scum... you vote them.

How on earth do you make that attack based on what he said? He says a clearly stupid comment "Vote yourself instead of me" and then makes a joke case. And yet, you present it like it's hypocrisy?

The fact that you changed your numbers is a scumtell in itself <____<

How?

This is just being dumb, but also a huge distraction. This may be the worst logic I've ever seen.

He's a newb and approaching VI territory - not scummy.

gandalf replaced in and thus didn't pick his numbers. So why is he saying "I don't know" when asked why he picked them?

unvote, vote:gandalf

*mental note to follow up if Gandalf doesn't answer*

[LlamaFluff]

Do you want game threads or MD threads? Multiple of both exist. Especially for the vig hate. I even adhere to the like for vanilla games to an extent as a mod, you were in that last mountainous-esq theme I ran

1 town game, and 1 md please.

Most recent game I have some PR hate commentary in (was a mountainous one)

LOT more MD ones though with recent things, this one is probably the best since it was about three months ago and even refrences a game where I talked about the same stuff

If I had the ability between getting any known role or getting VT to take a role away from scum, I would be VT every game. I hate getting roles that much. They damage my play almost on the level of hostility in the thread.

[Parama]

vollkan - I'm assuming you mean xvart town? You put two reads there and then asked me to post one.

[Parama]

xvart ISO #0 seems incredibly unstressed - in that the tone comes off as though
1. he doesn't care what others think of him
2. he's not trying to avoid attention
3. he's trying to play a social game
The first 2 are generally towntells, and the 3rd tends to give me town vibes as well.

2 I just chose two numbers around the midway point, got around the area in the draft I wanted actually

You

wanted

to be towards the bottom?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: llama

What makes that worthy of a vote?

Well... the game is called Pick you Power. The novelty of this game is that you get to... wait for it... pick your power. Someone who signed up for pick your power and

wanted

to be at the bottom of the list signed up for the wrong game. Either that, or has other motives; and by other motives I mean

scum

motives. Seriously, did anyone in this game want to be the last to pick their role?

While I don't agree with the logic, xvart sounds like he believes it here.

This is pretty much all the posting that came before my town read (the last quote is after but is logic backing up the first, thus worth noting). If I posted any more on the matter, it would be lying. And I don't care to waste time writing up walls on town reads, so I'm stopping here.
I will admit it's not one of my stronger town reads in light of recent xvart posts but I still stand by it.

[Fate]

Fate, the one time I need you to back me up, on a stupid statement from Ben no less, you turn all failed comedian on me. And here I thought we were just starting to see on the same page .

I can't encourage your madness. If I had to take a stance as if this were a mafia game and I were town, I would say you are right and your delusions are in the wrong when it comes to MD Theory this game.

Ben needs lynching Uncle Fate, just join the wagon already. We can all be wrong at times, its just about how quickly we can remedy it. Here is your chance.

Wrong ABOUT WHAT? THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? STOP ENABLING HIS MADNESS!?!?

If I NEED to hammer a hallucination to get you all to SNAP OUT OF IT then I will. But I'm not gonna waste my vote by letting it sit in no-man's land.

[Fate]

also of note, considering we are on this numerological path:

pyp2: (1,1), (3,7), (6,4), (7,2), (12,1)

pyp3: (2,12), (4,8), (5,4), (12,3), (13,7)

note the number of times the scum pick and x number not followed by a 1. it happens 8/10 times for the last two games. 80%. It would seem that not picking a one in the y value is an attempt to take suspicion away from the scum.

preview: hoopla, 0%.

HOLY SHIT.

DOES THIS POST NOT REEK: "Hey look I discussed Y numbers and how we should pick them in mah SCUM QT" TO YOU?

AND THEN THERES GANDALF WITH HIS IDK AND HIS REPLACING IN AND HIS JACK ON HIM.

YEAH THEY ARE BOTH SCUM.

[Fate]

The loud one I have an idea but I want to see them dig themselves a bit of a hole before biting.

Do I get to be the loud one? That spot better be reserved for me!

<3

[Fate]

Anyway back to lynching scum:

Everyone's defense of him is N00B or VI, but this PYP-Virgin comes in, understands how the draft works

so freakin well

he does game theory, aces it-wait no he CHANGES his numbers first-then wins the draft.

And THEN, he speculates on WHAT Y NUMBERS SCUM WOULD PICK? I mean, how often did that even COME up in the other games? Maybe halfway through D1 of PYPIII? There's NO WAY he thought of it without scum QT promptings.

Because we ALL know the scum qt had a post or 6 about:
"And what about Y numbers. Should we all back , 1, or blend in and pick ???? Y numbers and say we didn't know how shit worked or whatever?"

[LlamaFluff]

The loud one I have an idea but I want to see them dig themselves a bit of a hole before biting.

Do I get to be the loud one? That spot better be reserved for me!

<3

There are many types of loud/dominant players. This may or may not be you in this case.

I agree to disagree with you about Guider. I would be fine with a Gandalf lynch, but Ben needs a rapid death, so does inhim. That magic trio I put my stamp of approval of having at least two scum in.

[Fate]

But I'm #1 right?

Can't you just refer to him as "the active one" so I don't feel like my spotlight is being taken?