Mini 1075 - Fishtown Mafia

[singersigner]

Nocman, tell me, did you feel like you could get another wagon on me in less than a day? I ask because I'm not your only "leaning scum" read, but I'm probably the least likely to create a new wagon. We only have about 2 hours left...and I really don't want this to end in a no-lynch for the day.

[Nocmen]

Nocman, tell me, did you feel like you could get another wagon on me in less than a day? I ask because I'm not your only "leaning scum" read, but I'm probably the least likely to create a new wagon. We only have about 2 hours left...and I really don't want this to end in a no-lynch for the day.

Let's look at the wagon's we have so far:

FA, Emp, and DP.

FA I don't see the case on. Emp's only scummy thing was the proposal of the MC which due to WIFOM I'm not sure how to interpret it yet. DP I had a vote on for bad play over actual scumminess.

I'm not voting for the FA wagon, because I don't see how his actions are that scummy.

I understand it's a bit hard to get this wagon done in a day, but I'm going to vote for who I think is the most scummy

[singersigner]

Not agreeing with a lynch is fine. Allowing the first day to finish without a lynch is not. I'm not ok with that.

[AdumbroDeus]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fallen angel


Fine, EMP for tomorrow then, not letting a no lynch happen.

[havingfitz]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fallen angel


Fine, EMP for tomorrow then, not letting a no lynch happen.

Only way we would have a no lynch is if we vote one or there is a tie. Might want to give the rules a glance.

[Nocmen]

At the same time it says a no lynch will and wont occur in the rule.

[Rhinox]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fallen angel


Fine, EMP for tomorrow then, not letting a no lynch happen.

Only way we would have a no lynch is if we vote one or there is a tie. Might want to give the rules a glance.

[05] DEADLINE LYNCH RULES: At deadline, a person will be lynched if they have a majority of voters voting for them. That means you can be lynched with just one vote if only one person is voting. If no one has a majority of the votes cast, it is a no-lynch.

Player A: 4 votes
Player B: 3 votes
Player C: 3 votes

Deadline hits.

No one is lynched because 4 is not a majority of 10 votes cast. It is a plurality.

In this game, there are currently 11 votes cast. A majority of 11 votes is 6. If no player receives 6 votes with all 11 of us voting, no one will be lynched. According to my understanding of the rules anyways.

[Fishythefish]

Day 1, Final Votecount

fallen angel (5) – Rhinox, singersigner, Empking, Incognito, AdumbroDeus
Empking (2) - havingfitz, Lrdwhyt
singersigner (2) - cruelty, Nocmen
AdumbroDeus (1) - DavidParker

Not Voting (1) – fallen angel

With 10 voting, it takes 6 to lynch.

There is

no lynch

.

Night 1 begins. Actions due within 72 hours.

fallen angel has not picked up his prod, and will be replaced.

[Fishythefish]

corvuus replaces fallen angel. Thanks go to corvuus. Night ends in 48 hours time.

[Fishythefish]

Everyone wakes up, and Day 2 begins.

[Nocmen]

May as well start where I left off:

VOTE: Singer

[havingfitz]

Hmmm...first time I've been in a game like this where a majority of the votes cast gets lynched instead of most votes cast or vote equalling a majority of the players remaining. Not that I would have made a difference as I was not up for the FA lynch.

VOTE: Empking

[DavidParker]

I should have voted FA. THat was my fault. I'm aware people may come in and accuse me of forcing or trying to make a no lynch but I literally did not know the deadline would come upon us that quick. A mistake on my part.

[Empking]

Vote: Singer

[singersigner]

Vote: Singer

I'm gunna have to ask you to explain this one, as it is highly anti-town.

Nocman, you're fine. You already cast your suspicions of me, as much as I disagree for obvious reasons.

[Empking]

Vote: Singer

I'm gunna have to ask you to explain this one, as it is highly anti-town.

How so?

(I'm voting you because you're acting like a VI but I don't think your a VI.)

[havingfitz]

Vote: Singer

No explanation. What has changed since your weak self preservation vote on FA yesterday. Why not back on him? Or your OMGUS vote on Lrdwhyte? Man you are scummy.

Also...to anyone...I see Vi referenced more often than I care to count. WTH does a Vi reference indicate?

[DavidParker]

Village Idiot.

[Fishythefish]

Day 2, Votecount 1

singersigner (2) - Nocmen, Empking
Empking (1) - havingfitz

Not Voting (8) - corvuus, Incognito, AdumbroDeus, Rhinox, DavidParker, cruelty, singersigner, Lrdwhyt

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Fishythefish]

The deadline for day 2 is Saturday December 4th, 3:00pm in GMT. This is two weeks and 15 minutes from this post.

[Corvuus]

hey guys,

I am pst time/weird sleeping pattern so i am here now.

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If you have questions for me, let me know.

1. I think EMP, DP and Singer are scum. Maybe could switch Adumbra or Rhinox.
2. Noc, HF are most likely town.

EMP-massclaim.... i've seen him or someone suggest it day 1 before. it doesn't actually go through but it isn't necessarily indicative of alignment. it can be done by a townie to draw attention and get reactions. mainly a null-tell that can result in good and bad things for town but generally in most cases it goes badly.

His play post-massclaim is interesting though. Yes, day 1 should never be a no lynch. In terms of policy, FA should have been lynched and in most games, he would have been... even more so if he was the only wagon.

However, he wasn't the only wagon. FA, EMP, DP were all potentially lynchable. In terms of scumminess, FA was nowhere near as scummy as you two.

DP is too certain of EMP being town, scummy actions/responses. EMP is semi-scumhunting (busing?) but you never said anything about DP blatant buddying which, regardless of whether you are both same alignment or not, should be worrying to you.

Noc and HF are most likely town simply because
1. they wanted to vote for scum and didnt see FA scum.
2. they are unsure of my alignment so they didn't try excessively to switch the wagon when it could be catastrophic to them. I am town so thanks for not lynching me.

Singer, AD, and Rhinox have interesting parts and posts.

Rhinox: your view on FA is flawed. To someone who hasn't seen a MC before, it is a somewhat normal response. The EMP-mass claim gambit can not indicate EMP is town unless EMP moves on from it in a useful way. i.e. yes, it draws attention, yes it could get him lynched, but manipulation of reactions, votes for it can tell you whether it is town or scum with alterior motives. If town, the massclaim can get reads on people, get out of RVS, etc. EMP-town could also use the 'i am a easy target so scum will try to lynch me' motive as well and turn it into a hunters hunted method. This isn't what EMP did, nor is FA guilty of it in a scummy way. EMP is guilty of trying to lynch someone on failed reasoning based on his MC (FA) while ignoring DP... so while he could claim that any lynch other than himself is good (even townies like self-preservation) FA being a higher priority than DP is strange, plus other interaction. Your posts are indicative of town, but you are somewhat potentially guilty by association for defending another player especially in this situation.

If we tried to lynch him based on MC suggestion alone, i wouldn't have voted him but it is what he did with his gambit that is strange.
If further clarification is needed, let me know. short version: there IS a 'optimal' town move for suggesting MC day 1. EMP utterly failed in the execution of it or he is scum. Seeing how things played out, (with his vote flopping to singer, etc.) and the failure of EMP's own gambit to give himself a read on other players (note that he hasn't made any comments on who he actually thinks is scum or town, nor reads picked up from his gambit other than 'everyone voting me is scum', plus his haphazard FA, singer vote).

Singer/EMP/DP seem to be competing scum buses for each other. Not sure of Singer's meta yet but mixed amounts of sheeping/buddying, plus interaction? 3rd choice for scum but could be switched out.

AD is neutral/town leaning but pending further posts, reading, and process of elimination could be scum.
Incop is neutral/town leaning.

I have no idea on LordWhyt yet.

edit: DP, is there a point to "village idiot"?

C

[Empking]

Cor: DP was responding to HF.

Honestly, I'm not worried about DP because the action evberyone keeps going on about (the buddying) and the way he went about it wouldn't be done as town.

[Corvuus]

that... i mean...

...

EMP revise or die.

vote EMPking

Corv

[Empking]

Explain.

[Corvuus]

if you see nothing wrong, then you really do deserve to die.

Figure out the permutations, and what you are doing/should have been doing.

either way, you just called DP scum.

C