Mini 1064 - Charlie's Town (Game Over!)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

SpyreX still needs to claim.

And, jmurph, if mas flips town, then CB lied -> CB is scum.

[SpyreX]

I AM

VT.

[SpyreX]

Though if Mas ends up flipping town-aligned, I suggest we take a closer look at CB. I find it a bit suspicious that there'd be a tracker, a cop, and a JOAT in the same game. Bit too investigative-heavy for me (or else Charlie's having a laugh over this )

Uhhh.

Closer look?

There's ONE scenario where they could both be town at this point (well, two but the "I LIED" scenario BETTER NOT HAPPEN).

P.S. Nacho JOAT claim needs a bit more love.

[LlamaFluff]

So next thing that needs answering is if Nacho used an ability that could protect someone last night amiright? I think full disclosure of JOAT powers would be stupid, why let scum know potency of him until tomorrow unless revealing lots of stuff can help us?

This game seems power heavy and im getting really *twitchy*.

[SpyreX]

This game seems power heavy and im getting really *twitchy*.

THAT is why I'm JOAT-worried.

[jmurph3]

@Spyrex: so you're more concerned about the JOAT claim than any of the other ones? Is there a particular reason why?

[SpyreX]

With 9 alive CE's claim is a suicide if he's lying.
Reck's doctor claim and the approach he's went makes sense thus far but we'll see.
JOAT, in and of itself, isn't much of anything and I'm only worried versus spewing hot rage because its nacho.

Am I missing any others?

[LlamaFluff]

With 9 alive CE's claim is a suicide if he's lying.
Reck's doctor claim and the approach he's went makes sense thus far but we'll see.
JOAT, in and of itself, isn't much of anything and I'm only worried versus spewing hot rage because its nacho.

Am I missing any others?

Thats it and I think you are the same point I am with thinking Nacho is town with the exception of the claim.

I think im right in the fact that nacho needs to claim if he protected anyone. Or this can probably be solved if reck protected nacho last night, but that would mean we have some other sort of shenannigans going on.

[Reckamonic]

Okay, here's the thing: we forgot to send in a protection last night.
So, however the kill got stopped, it wasn't us.

[LlamaFluff]

*twitch*

*twitch*

*twitch*

[masfloohinev]

I think that's everybody. Since Reckamonic didn't protect anybody, that means Nachomamma did and he should claim who he protected.

Unvote. Vote: Casus Belli

Because I am a VT. There's no way for me to defend myself other than saying why would there be two investigative roles. If Casus Belli is telling the truth, that means two investigative roles, a JOAT, and a doctor. One of the power role claims has got to be lying imo.

If I'm lynched before I get on again, the scum are jmurph, CB, and CES.

[Reckamonic]

Can someone put together a full claim list?

[LlamaFluff]

Can someone put together a full claim list?

Reck - Doctor
CB - Tracker
Nacho - JOAT
Sub - VT
Spy - VT
jmurph - VT
llama - VT
CES - VT
Mas - VT

-CB claims M targeted someone last night (who?)
-Reck claims no target last night

Scumteam M, CES, jmurph I think. Roles are really confusing me though. If what reck says is true that means either scum missed their kill or nacho blocked something. Way to brain dead to work this out right now. Either way CB needs to claim who M targeted last night. Depending on who it is some things might be needed to done being.

[Substrike22]

2. SpyreX - VT
4. Nachomamma8 - JOAT
5. LlamaFluff, who replaced Shotty to the Body - VT
6. Cogito Ergo Sum * - VT
8. Substrike22 - VT
9. Reckamonic * - Doc
10. masfloohinev - VT
11. Casus Belli (aka Sotty7/xvart) * - Town Tracker
12. jmurph3 - VT

I don't think there are any mistakes on there, but I did it off of memory, so anyone can feel free to correct it.

Dead people include
RichardGHP = Confirmed Cop
FakeGod = VT
q21 = Townie

Reck how do you feel about this? If you didn't save someone I'd say the likeliness that Nacho used his doc JOAT ability on the guy who was going to be killed is unlikely, but it is also the only other possible explanation; barring the mafia choosing not to kill someone last night, in an attempt to invoke this mass claim today. Not sure how much sense that scenario makes, but worth mentioning.

Also, considering that possibility, it means that either Mas is a power role that was tracked (if I know trackers correctly, they simply reveal that an action was taken, but not the alignment of this action, correct?), which is now odd given his insistence on claiming VT, or alternatively that Casus is lying in an attempt to push the popular counter wagon from yesterday and the scum know something we don't. Is it possible that given the number of town power roles, we're looking at 4 scum? That would make the non-kill a lot more sensible in exchange for a mass-claim and a push on mas. There is also a possibility that we're looking at a 3 person scum team and a traitor, which was at some point recruited. Potentially last night, given the lack of a night kill... you know this actually makes a decent amount of sense, more so than a 4 person mafia speculation. Trade a night kill for the traitor, potentially boosting their number to 4, making the easy push on Mas workable.

Edit - Ninja'd by Llama.

[Substrike22]

It's worth asking since the cat's out of the bag here, Nacho, would you be willing to say if you saved someone last night, and if so, who? It would potentially answer questions.

[Reckamonic]

Occam's Razor states that scum probably didn't no kill. Nacho is more than likely the JOAT who either blocked someone or protected someone last night. If there was a block, he needs to claim who. If there was a protection, he doesn't have to do that today.

The obvious solution to this problem is to lynch mas. If he flips VT, CB lied and we deal with them tomorrow. If he flips scum or something other than VT, then CB is pretty much confirmed town unless this is all some elaborate scum rouse superbus.

We honestly don't see how tracker/cop/JOAT/doc can possibly be balanced…but JOAT is the only other explanation for the lack of kill since we didn't protect anyone. The cop is already flipped. And we don't see why the tracker would claim what he did against a VT.

Here's what we think: lynch mas today. If CB is right, then he needs to track either us or the JOAT overnight and tell us where we went tomorrow. If he's correct, then we'll buy the claim not being some kind of bus attempt. This is the only way we'll be able to accept there being this many town PRs unless we start getting some ridiculous scumflips.

There

are

a lot of VT claims. If 3 of the VT claims are scum PRs, cop/doc/JOAT/tracker could be balanced. But it's a long shot.

[Reckamonic]

If this is four person scumteam, we will shit all over Charlie.
Or at least, Reck will. Dram will be mildly displeased.

[Reckamonic]

NACHO:

Did you use an ability last night that would explain the lack of a kill?

[LlamaFluff]

This whole game is just trippy.

We cant go further until after Nacho claims what he did and CB responds with where M went however.

[Substrike22]

This whole game is just trippy.

We cant go further until after Nacho claims what he did and CB responds with where M went however.

This is why you will be getting my vote after we're done sorting out this mass claim business and lynching the appropriate people.

[Nachomamma8]

I hid behind LlamaFluff last night.
And because of role-based reasons, I'm fairly sure that Reck and Cas share an alignment.

[Charlie]

Vote count 17

masfloohinev (3) - Reckamonic, Casus Belli, jmurph
Casus Belli (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, masfloohinev

Not voting: SpyreX, Nachomamma8, Llamafluff, Substrike22,
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Reckamonic]

So Nacho was targeted for the kill last night, and LlamaFluff is town. Usually, if the person hidden behind is scum, the hider dies, correct?

So, this means in the town category, we've got: Nacho, LlamaFluff, us, and one of CB/mas.

This leaves... one of CB/mas, jmurph, CES, SpyreX, and Substrike. With ZERO SCUM KILLED, this gives us a 60% chance of hitting scum among those five. With a CB/mas lynch, this narrows the pool down to four. If Nacho happens to have a vig shot, this narrows the pool down to three.

Unless scum no-killed last night, I don't foresee town losing this game.

[jmurph3]

UNVOTE: Mas for the moment.

I will be V/LA until Thursday the 18th

. I'm taking the GRE tomorrow, and last minute studying is kind of taking over my life. I unvoted to hopefully avoid a quick-lynch while we're still discussing things, since I think that narrowing things down the way we are now will be really helpful later on.

[Casus Belli]

We tracked Mas to Llama last night.

This is just a quick post to correct that oversight. More detail coming later when I get a chance to catch up with my other head.