Mini #1081 - SitMOA Mafia (Endgame... Congrats, winners!)

[gandalf5166]

I never said townreads were useless. I said stating them in thread without any scumreads to go along with is scummy. And yes I know that ADB did the same thing, but I find chess scummier, so he can wait until tomorrow.

[chesskid3]

I'm not getting lynched....ever.....so ok boss.

[ThAdmiral]

oops lol i made a mistake

getting town reads is useful, as there is the process of elimination = =

I see, agreed.

[Doombunny9]

Where?

Quote and link to post please.

Just realized I was thinking of something else, my bad XD

Wait, you think asking you to take stances IS SCUMMY?

*facepalm*

Townpicks and scumpicks are important for stance analysis and useful information for town.

I DID tell you my scumpicks kthx. Townpicks don't help town all that much and are just guides telling maf who to kill.

Reread... I explicitly put people on the wrong side of null and explained why, cause yea, nobody stands out to me as scummy enough to push further.

Slightly on the null side isn't good enough. Everyone knows at least one person who they have good scumreads on except you. Notice a problem?

You seemed under the mistaken impression that RVS was over while most of the thread seemed to disagree, however it wasn't worth quibbling over so I didn't bother arguing with you.

chess is not most people. chess is one person. That is all.

Asking question isn't how you scumhunt?

Then how DO you scumhunt praytell?

No, asking questions is scumhunting. JUST asking for scum/townreads isn't.

Nobody's made a large enough slip to push them further then that.

See above

There IS a v/la thread you know, you'd do well to read it prior to accusing people of lurking.

Fair enough. I retract this point.

Why is not reading the thread scummy? How does not reading the thread help someone if they are scum?
It is a bs reason to vote someone, and an even more bs reason to justify your vote on someone.

I see your point. That wasn't my only reason for voting him however, again, read the thread.

Actually all of the last three points on my list were essentially the same, or at least in the same ballpark, and that is the point - when you write a list like you did it makes it seem you have more evidence than you do against someone, it is a way to manufacture weight behind your reasoning especially when you know the reasoning is weak.

So I could have said the exact same thing except not numbered or bulleted and it would be fine? Come on now, this is the most bullshit thing I've heard since people have tried to convince me that telling jokes are scumtells.

[ThAdmiral]

So I could have said the exact same thing except not numbered or bulleted and it would be fine? Come on now, this is the most bullshit thing I've heard since people have tried to convince me that telling jokes are scumtells.

Let me put it another way: why do you think adumbro is scum?
If you have to make a list with a bunch of minor points against him to convince yourself and everyone else, then you don't have a strong case. And pushing a weak case, by making it seem like a strong case, is scummy.

[AdumbroDeus]

Wait, you think asking you to take stances IS SCUMMY?

*facepalm*

Townpicks and scumpicks are important for stance analysis and useful information for town.

I DID tell you my scumpicks kthx. Townpicks don't help town all that much and are just guides telling maf who to kill.

I got news for you, it's pretty basic analysis to figure out who's the most trusted townie at the end of the day. Scum will figure it out if don't put the information out there.


However taking a stance on whose townie at various points during the day for a variety of different people makes it easier makes it much easier to analyze who has what reads, and probably more importantly, gives us a snapshot of makes it change by comparing townlists at various points of the day.


Actually, I just had this conversation with somebody I play with on smashboards a few days ago.

Reread... I explicitly put people on the wrong side of null and explained why, cause yea, nobody stands out to me as scummy enough to push further.

Slightly on the null side isn't good enough. Everyone knows at least one person who they have good scumreads on except you. Notice a problem?

People being too quick to declare others scum?

While uncommon, winning games through process of elimination is a perfectly viable strategy when there are stand-out town tells, but no stand-out scum tells.

You seemed under the mistaken impression that RVS was over while most of the thread seemed to disagree, however it wasn't worth quibbling over so I didn't bother arguing with you.

chess is not most people. chess is one person. That is all.

Didn't I quote another RVS post right above one? As well as the majority of posts before that? RVS stops when it stops, you're not the arbitrator of when RVS ends.

Asking question isn't how you scumhunt?

Then how DO you scumhunt praytell?

No, asking questions is scumhunting. JUST asking for scum/townreads isn't.

Except that isn't all I was doing, but regardless asking people to take stances IS one of the most useful forms of information you can get. It's also a nice way of getting people who need to talk talking.

@gandalf

Answer my question.

VOTE: gandalf5166

[andrew94]

I never said townreads were useless. I said stating them in thread without any scumreads to go along with is scummy. And yes I know that ADB did the same thing, but I find chess scummier, so he can wait until tomorrow.

imagine if you had all but 3/4 town reads- that would be useful, will it not?
adumbrodeus wheres the question for gandalf? i cant see it

[AdumbroDeus]

I never said townreads were useless. I said stating them in thread without any scumreads to go along with is scummy. And yes I know that ADB did the same thing, but I find chess scummier, so he can wait until tomorrow.

imagine if you had all but 3/4 town reads- that would be useful, will it not?
adumbrodeus wheres the question for gandalf? i cant see it

i have about 2 days v/la please.

i gotta say, wagon on chess looks oppurtunistic

Lol congrats, you can defend your scumbuddy.

Question, why?

This has been a standing question since the second post I made on this thread and he has yet to answer it.



Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean, but your post was an illustration since it obviously wasn't just chesskid who thought it was still RVS.

[andrew94]

^ i have no idea what ur last sentence means

[Doombunny9]

Let me put it another way: why do you think adumbro is scum?

You're going to get the exact same answer as before whether I make it bulleted or not...

If you have to make a list with a bunch of minor points against him to convince yourself and everyone else, then you don't have a strong case. And pushing a weak case, by making it seem like a strong case, is scummy.

You keep saying this but you never actually explain it... I still have no idea how making a bulleted list is somehow scummy compared to saying the exact same thing unbulleted.

As an off note: HOW THE HELL IS VOTING SOMEONE FOR MAKING A BULLETED LIST A 'STRONG CASE'?

@Adumbro- I feel fine not helping scum out kthx. I'll tell you everyone eho I have at least slight scumreads on adn ou can figure out who I'm getting town/null reads on from there:

In no real order: You, chess, veko, Andrew, TA

People being too quick to declare others scum?

While uncommon, winning games through process of elimination is a perfectly viable strategy when there are stand-out town tells, but no stand-out scum tells.

But the thing is there ARE scum tells. Somehow you seem to be failing to look for them. I'm going to request something from you: reread the thread and tell me who your top 3 scumreads are no matter how slight the reads you have on them are.

Didn't I quote another RVS post right above one? As well as the majority of posts before that? RVS stops when it stops, you're not the arbitrator of when RVS ends.

At the time of your post plenty of people were making serious votes. How you connected serious votes to "OMG ITS STILL RVS TIME" I fail to understand (Wait a minute... Why the fuck are we still on this? We should have stopped talking about when the RVS ended a long, long time ago)

@Adumbro- How scummy do you find Gandalf? Is your vote a vote you plan on keeping or just a pressure vote to get him to talk?

Except that isn't all I was doing,

Oh yes, asking one other question and calling out chess for being dumbtown... How could I have missed these earth shattering breakthroughs in scumhunting >.>

but regardless asking people to take stances IS one of the most useful forms of information you can get. It's also a nice way of getting people who need to talk talking.

If I remember correctly the only person you asked who needed to talk was Kat...

Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean, but your post was an illustration since it obviously wasn't just chesskid who thought it was still RVS.

Andrew knew roughly when the RVS ended. I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Narsis]

I'm not getting lynched....ever.....so ok boss.

over confident much?

[Riceballtail]

I'm not getting lynched....ever.....so ok boss.

Is your fakeclaim that good?

[chesskid3]

RBT, planning on contributing ever, or should I stop waiting?

Narsis, nice contribution as well. Comments on the last 2 pages?

[chesskid3]

Unvote

Vote: RBT

That stays until there is some content. Narsis gets a pass for today, apparently.

[ThAdmiral]

I still have no idea how making a bulleted list is somehow scummy compared to saying the exact same thing unbulleted.

As an off note: HOW THE HELL IS VOTING SOMEONE FOR MAKING A BULLETED LIST A 'STRONG CASE'?

You are misrepping the fuck out of this situation. It is NOT because your list was bulleted. It's because your lists was a bunch of bs to justify your vote. You were clearly clawing desperately to anything you could to make your case seem bigger and better than it was, and the reason you felt you needed to justify it so much is because

you knew it was bs because you are scum

.

[ThAdmiral]

@ chesskid: thoughts on doombunny?

[chesskid3]

One of him and Darkhorse is scum, but I have them all mixed up in my head. I'll look through which is which tomorrow, heading off to bed in a few.
RBT needs pressure though.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote RBT

chesskid is correct.

[ThAdmiral]

@ vezokpiraka: I guess answering my questions in the other post would have required you to type too much then.

[Dark Horse]

unvote
vote RBT

chesskid is correct.

Elaborate. Until then,

Unvote, vote: VP

[Snow_Bunny]

Votecount - Discussion heats up

gandalf5166 (1) - AdumbroDeus
malthusis (1) - andrew94
Riceballtail (2) - chesskid3, vezokpiraka
ThAdmiral (0) -
Narsis (0) -
Dark Horse (0) -
chesskid3 (1) - gandalf5166
Doombunny9 (1) - ThAdmiral
vezokpiraka (3) - Riceballtail, Narsis, Dark Horse,
andrew94 (0) -
Katsuki (0) -
AdumbroDeus (2) - Katsuki, Doombunny9

Not voting (1) - malthusis

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is on at November 22nd midnight.

[vezokpiraka]

Guys stop voting me. You will find a confirmed town Vezok at the end of the line..

Also I am vezok not VP.

[Doombunny9]

when you write a list like you did

it makes it seem you have more evidence than you do against someone, it is a way to manufacture weight behind your reasoning especially when you know the reasoning is weak.

For using lists with lots of points on it

to make it seem like they have a much better case than they actually have!

You are misrepping the fuck out of this situation. It is NOT because your list was bulleted. It's because your lists was a bunch of bs to justify your vote. You were clearly clawing desperately to anything you could to make your case seem bigger and better than it was, and the reason you felt you needed to justify it so much is because you knew it was bs because you are scum.

I'm oh so sorry for thinking that "Writing lists like you did" and "Using lists with a lot of points" means "BS reasons". I just looked back and all my reasons were valid. Care to explain how they are not?

Guys stop voting me. You will find a confirmed town Vezok at the end of the line..

What a convincing arguement! Now cut the crap and contribute something helpful.

/is THIS close to voting VP despite the fact that she will apperantly be confirmed and is named vezo and not VP

[Dark Horse]

Guys stop voting me. You will find a confirmed town Vezok at the end of the line..

Also I am vezok not VP.

Such a convincing argument, VP.
If you're town, then act like it.

[Doombunny9]

Actually I changed my mind.

Unvote, Vote: VP