Mini #1081 - SitMOA Mafia (Endgame... Congrats, winners!)

[malthusis]

/confirm

[malthusis]

Mod also neds to get in and get this thing started. All but gandalf have conformed to snow_bunny.

^^

[malthusis]

Someone dayvig gandalf.

Vote: Chesskid

for wanting to kill a player who hasn't even posted once in this game.

[malthusis]

Scum claim: It is completely forbidden to claim scum/scum partners, whether you are scum or not.

Is this sarcasm? I can't really tell......

[malthusis]

no it's actually in the rules. try reading them.

VOTE: malthusis

for not reading the rules. an obvscum thing to do.

That's weak, even for an RVS vote. I was thinking he was being sarcastic for calling the mod scum.

And by the way, how is asking for clarification on that point scummy?

[malthusis]

partner.... = scum partner

what else
your spouse?

Uh.... Possibly Masons, Lovers, or rarely an ability that requires 2 people to operate?

[malthusis]

Unsurprisingly, chesskid doesn't bother to read.

^^

I think my vote will be fine where it is right now

[malthusis]

vote doom

hes a retard that doesnt realise that katsuki claimed with the mod

What?
How did you get this out of his posts? There's nothing to indicate what you said is even slightest bit plausible. You just seem to be acting like scum jumping on an easy wagon instead of actually taking some time to compose even the slightest reasoning for your case.

Unvote, Vote: Andrew

[malthusis]

er... firstly, i am the first person to vote doom ( i think )
hes reason for voting me for crap -(saying i didnt what masons were)
i obs thought katsuki was claiming scum with mod (hence against rules)

and now u just jumped on my wagon
nice work

All 4 points have nothing to do with what I just said.
I said that you seemed to be opportunistic scum jumping on a case without the slightest bit of reasoning.

[malthusis]

EBWOP: Katsuki, care to explain your "I'm partners with the mod a bit further", or are you staying quiet? I think I have an idea how it could work flavorwise, but I'd like to hear it from the source.

[malthusis]

So wait... Are you telling me that some people are taking Kat seriously... And some of the votes on her weren't RVS votes?

Unvote

because we may or may not be in the RVS anymore and I don't even know about it D:

I think it's safe to say that the RVS has ended.

[malthusis]

EBWOP: (Damn, I need to use the preview button more!)

Unvote

You've got a point, andrew. I think I've probed enough.

[malthusis]

but i havent

vote malthusis

second biggest R for not reading the thread properly
what probing? u didnt even read the thread

? This is what made me vote for in the first place. You need to explain what you're talking about. What tells you I didn't read the thread?

[malthusis]

@Mod: That VC is so wrong it's not even funny......

Either you want to help me, pointing out where the mistakes are, or you want to be modkilled, being a jerk with the mod. So, which one is it again?

[malthusis]

@Mod: That VC is so wrong it's not even funny......

Either you want to help me, pointing out where the mistakes are, or you want to be modkilled, being a jerk with the mod. So, which one is it again?

@Mod: Sorry if I seemed like a jerk. I'm not voting anyone, and andrew is voting me.

Andrew didn't unvote, and I guess I just missed your unvote as it wasn't at the start of a line.

[malthusis]

DP:

@Mod: I might just be blind and not have seen it, but what are your rules for prods?

Activity each 48 hours or prod. However, I usually forget to send the prods, so if you are willing to reming me, I will do it gladly.

[malthusis]

RVS is not over.

Tsk tsk.

I was voting Narsis for a reaction.

Didn't really get the one I was looking for, but his suggestion that he was going to do a VC analysis on page 4 of d1 is so ridiculously towncred fishing that I am happy with where my vote is.

Lol, you contridicted yourself in your own sentence

RVS means "random" voting stage. You just put reason that wasn't random at all for your vote. Also, why are you so adamant in keeping it in the RVS stage as long as possible? The sooner we get into the real game and can analyze the reasoning behind player's actions, the sooner we can find out who the scum are. It seems weird that you'd want to prolong it.

FoS: chesskid

Still waiting on Katsuki to give an explanation on her mod connection thing *twiddles thumbs*

@Mod: Can you give Vren a prod, please?

[malthusis]

Hi, you don't read much, do you? We're still in RVS now, and i'm clearly trying to get us OUT. Thanks for playing. You are the weakest link, goodbye!

Maybe you aren't the one reading? Pretty much everyone posting regularly has/had reasons for their votes (except AmbreoDeus, but he's only posted once besides his original confirm).

[malthusis]

gandalf5166 (0) - Dark Horse

@Mod: This an error, or is it right?

[malthusis]

Malthusis is still scum. Chess is town.

You may want to actually contribute to the discussion at some point by actually posting something constructive at some point.....

[malthusis]

Wth is Katsuki? He comes out with a connection to the mod and then just starts lurking?

@Mod: Could you give a prod to Katsuki?

[malthusis]

"Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity"

-DrippingGoofball

Vote: Katsuki

[malthusis]

What impatience... I was reading the effing thread.

Malthusis, tell me this. What is the difference between 3 seperate players claiming dayvig, and me claiming "partners" with the mod?

If it means anything for you though, I am mason-lovers with snow_bunny I get to talk to her any time of the day.

Impatience? I might have gotten slightly annoyed, but considering I asked you 3 times in posts #53, 95, and 122, I was getting tired on waiting. Also, even an idiot would realize the davig claims were jokes

@Malthusis: Why do you only ask for my prod, when adumbro has posted absolutely nothing thus far in this game? Do you have reasons for wanting to let him slide and skate through this game?

I'm sorry, but there's not much I can do. Ambro did post in #89, and can't be prodded yet. I'm waiting for some information too, but unless you want to take a LAL stance (which I really don't want to do), I might as well question the people here.

Unvote

[malthusis]

Chess is making me raise my eyebrow........... But I've played with him before, and this is all pretty normal stuff, so until he does something really drastic, my vote stays where it is.

This is pretty much the same problem with YOU, gandalf, in that, you guys generally say and do such ridiculous things that, when you do it as scum, it STILL looks normal.

In essence, what I am saying is, saying that "extraordinary" stuff is "pretty normal stuff" is kind of like throwing a smokescreen on your play.

QFT.

It's really, really, really hard to make a case when it's hard to tell whether a lot of these bad plays are simply anti-town, scummy, or just VI.

[malthusis]

Uh, no, it was over because there was actually content to analyize, namely opportunistic votes on me based on the false assertation that pages 1-3 contained any actual content. The obvious point of that being that I was "supposed to" vote for Andrew, when he's done absolutely nothing scummy.
Hence why I figure one of the people voting for me is scum, since a negative reaction to not voting andrew is not pro-town.

Also Narsis needs to answer my questions.

ANY QUESTIONS?

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What are you talking about?
How does Andrew have anything to do with this at all? Your paragraph looks like absolute junk. What do you mean by "You had to vote Andrew?". There were tons of people to make a case on at that time. You could have made a case on me, Gandalf, Katsuki, Narsis or any lurker that wasn't posting at that time. Using that as justification to randomly lash out at people voting you is extremely weak and thin as an argument.

Pedit:

Gimme my town leader hat back, jerks.

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[malthusis]

I was responding to Katsuki. It actually makes perfect sense, and I'm not going to spoon-feed it to you.

Saying my arguments are bad logic doesn't make them any less valid.

[malthusis]

You didn't make any arguments, you basically said you didn't understand my posts.
The only notable thing that happened on pages 1-3 that everyone was touting the RVS being over about was Andrew apparently being scummy, when that was in fact completely false.
Hence my assertation that the RVS was not, in fact, over.

Please try to follow.

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What are you talking about?
How does Andrew have anything to do with this at all? Your paragraph looks like absolute junk. What do you mean by "You had to vote Andrew?".

There were tons of people to make a case on at that time. You could have made a case on me, Gandalf, Katsuki, Narsis or any lurker that wasn't posting at that time. Using that as justification to randomly lash out at people voting you is extremely weak and thin as an argument.

and

chesskid3 wrote:Hi, you don't read much, do you? We're still in RVS now, and i'm clearly trying to get us OUT. Thanks for playing. You are the weakest link, goodbye!

Maybe you aren't the one reading?

Pretty much everyone posting regularly has/had reasons for their votes (except AmbreoDeus, but he's only posted once besides his original confirm).

Arguments are in bold.

[malthusis]

What impatience... I was reading the effing thread.

Malthusis, tell me this. What is the difference between 3 seperate players claiming dayvig, and me claiming "partners" with the mod?

If it means anything for you though, I am mason-lovers with snow_bunny I get to talk to her any time of the day.

Impatience? I might have gotten slightly annoyed, but considering I asked you 3 times in posts #53, 95, and 122, I was getting tired on waiting. Also, even an idiot would realize the davig claims were jokes

Considering what you just said about the dayvig thing, I find it interesting that you should push for the "partners with the mod" thing 3 times after.

It's just that something really rubs me about the way you phrased your role. I've been in quite a few Mind Screw/Weird Role games where the mod is indeed a role. It's practically a rule of thumb that a mod has to be neutral or self aligned if they are playing for many reasons such as mod bias and the like. The fact that a mod would be aligned with player has me scratching my head on how that could possibly work out....

[malthusis]

@Chess/Malt- Why are we still talking about the overness of the RVS? It's over. We can all agree on that. It doesn't matter when it was over anymore.

It's just that something really rubs me about the way you phrased your role. I've been in quite a few Mind Screw/Weird Role games where the mod is indeed a role. It's practically a rule of thumb that a mod has to be neutral or self aligned if they are playing for many reasons such as mod bias and the like. The fact that a mod would be aligned with player has me scratching my head on how that could possibly work out....

Are you actually buying this Kat obvjoke? Come on now.

........



*bangs head on wall repeatedly*

I took it seriously, am I absolutely retarded?

[malthusis]

I've been busy today and I'm hopefully going to post something substantial today, but just a quick question before I have to leave:

Why in the world did VP claim?

[malthusis]

@malthusius: Do you think it would have made a difference if I had claimed at L-2 or L-1 instead of L-3?

Unless you did something extremely retarded that would make people vote for you at a fast rate, I think it makes a difference. Except in the situation mentioned previously, pretty much every single player will wait for a lynch target to claim before taking them out, so unless your case is a totally lost cause (which it isn't), you should've waited until then.

[malthusis]

but, then the person who hammered would get in deep shit.

Why? There are many arguments I could make to explain a quickhammer of someone at L-1 who claimed to have a 1-shot governor.

Like what?

[malthusis]

My point was that a quickhammer could be easily explained away by saying "I believed he was scum, and didn't want to have to wait to lynch him until tomorrow", and lynching him before he uses his governor shot is beneficial to town. And the truth is, there are people in this game I would quickhammer in the same situation. Not vezok, because I have a townread on him, but do you see my point?

You aren't getting the point. Unless he/she did something that made them undeniably scum or it's a deadline lynch, almost all town players will wait for a claim before lynching. Ending a day early when deadline isn't immediate (and it's not the aforementioned condition) is a scummy move, as it deprives the town of the time that could be used to scumhunt.

[malthusis]

Did a quick ISO of everyone a while ago, some quick thoughts:

AdumbroDeus: A few things strike me as odd about his play and posts so far.

He seems to be really focused on asking people for scum/town lists hunches, and it makes me think he's trying to blend to the background by simply larking the general consensus. His general view of the game list (ISO post #3) is mostly general stuff that the town in general believes (except an opinion about Katsuki, see below). His 3 stances are mainly talking about the RVS (pointless), defending himself, and bullying his points to get people to spout suspicion lists.

As well, I have gut feeling that Katsuki, but the fact that's he's posted so little that isn't fluff makes hard to find any evidence.

Vote AdubroDeus

[malthusis]

Malthusis, do you think Adubro scum would put his buddy as one of only two townreads?

I'm not really sure. Like I said, Katsuki is more gut right now, and I'm much much more sure of my case against Adumbro. It's just seems to be an interesting coincidence that the only difference from the general consensus/follow the crowd mentality is that point.

OHOHOHO, THAT'S A NICE RICH CHAINSAW COMING FROM MALTHUSIS.

What's even better, he says he has a gut feeling about me, yet votes for my suspect? I THINK NOT!

A gut feeling is just that, sort of a "hunch". You can't just say "XXXXXX is definitly scum, because I have a hunch BANDWAGON GOGOGOGO". You need solid proof to prove someone is scum. I have more proof and am more sure about Adumbro.

Anyways, your vote against was a simple pressure vote around 12 pages ago? You didn't seem to invest a lot of effort into it and switched to the easy RBT wagon.

I promise a post is incoming tonight.

Meanwhile...

OHOHOHO, THAT'S A NICE RICH CHAINSAW COMING FROM MALTHUSIS.

What's even better, he says he has a gut feeling about me, yet votes for my suspect? I THINK NOT!

Unvote, Vote RBT

if you are suspecting Malthusis so much why vote RBT?

Narsis's post sort of proves another point against your argument. If you say I should vote you because I have hunch and suspect you, then why aren't you voting me for my so called "scummy" actions?

[malthusis]

EBWOP:

A gut feeling is just that, sort of a "hunch". You can't just say "XXXXXX is definitly scum, because I have a hunch BANDWAGON GOGOGOGO". You need solid proof to prove someone is scum. I have more proof and am more sure about Adumbro.

This is more of an afterthought, but it's sort of ironic that RBT is doing something close to this right now

[malthusis]

How do you feel about Narsis, mal?

He might be a bit of a sheep, but he's more of null tell. Not even because it's a mix of town and scummy things, but because nothing seems to jump out at me for either side.

[malthusis]

I'm just going to stop listening to andrew. However I promise if you use a watch action on me you won't regret it. I OFFER DELICIOUS MAGIC.

That being said, why is my RBT wagon falling apart. Fuck you people we're lynching him

O.o i thought it was just a pressure wagon. when you'd change your mind to making it a lynching wagon?

^^

[malthusis]

I'm a generalist (or universalist), though I feel like I should be an Illusionist from having two spells from there.

more questions:
Triggered means automatically triggered? If you are targetted to be killed and tried to you a different action, what happens? do you perform both actions and live and kill your vig target, do you die and kill your target, or is your action changed to false visions and you don't shoot but survive?

Invisibility is self only?

Yes. I can only cast one spell per night, but I won't "cast" it unless I'm attacked at night. Thus, it's like choosing to be bulletproof, should I be targeted.

Honestly, Chess' blatant rolefishing has got to stop either way. If I use my vig, that's where it's going.

@Narsis: That's all he's really done to me all game. I wouldn't hold your breath.

If this is my last chance to post, I strongly suggest looking at the following as scum: Chess, Vezok, and one of (Narsis/Adumbro/Katsuki). The first two read "scumbuddies4life", and the other three are the ones I'm interested in getting some more out of, and can't decide which is the most likely remaining partner.

Absolute BS. I asked the mod the same question about triggered abilities and they said that they are passive free abilities. You can use 1 active ability at night and any triggered abilities will still activate.

It sort of seems like a gambit to waste any town vig shots in a last gambit to hold on to your scummy life.

PEDit: I was about to vote, but Gandalf voted before me

I'll wait to hammer just in case anyone has any last words.

[malthusis]

@Mod: Prod AdumbroDeus

[malthusis]

WAAAAAAIIIIT.

Anyone see what I am seeing in the claim of RBT. I think he is a godfather.

He should be the lynch for today.

Why do you think he's a godfather? I mean, he could have that same kind of function, where he could keep PRs at bay, but godfather isn't the word I'd use. He's more like a cross between a roleblocker and a GF. BTW, I think his vig shot is bullshit.

I was thinking more of the fact he'd use the scum kill to make the illusion that he was town.

[malthusis]

VOTE: RBT

His claim..... seems wrong to me. I don't like it. It doesn't make sense from a cross-reference of my abilities and his.

You need an unvote with that, gandalf.

[malthusis]

I think he's just stalling. He probably has a really powerful ability he wants to be able to use tonight, and he doesn't care if he gets insta-lynched tomorrow.

QFT

[malthusis]

@Mod: Quick note, I'll be VL/A from Nov 25-27.

[malthusis]

I'm not using my dayvig today. I'm saving it for tomorrow at the earliest.

Unless you know something I don't, the mafia would be mad to let you live until tomorrow......

[malthusis]

@Mod: Prod Katsuki and AdumbroDeus

[malthusis]

Oh basically Narsis just softclaimed VT. Whee.

Moving along, Katsuki owes me a nice protown post to get his townread back.

how astute of you.

tbh this game is starting to feel like a game of follow the cop.

The fact that my two cases are either gone on V/LA or lurking really slows this down... (Katsuki and AdumbroDeus)

[malthusis]

@Mod: Prod ThAdmiral,Adumbro,Katsuki?

^^

[malthusis]

Did a quick ISO of everyone a while ago, some quick thoughts:

AdumbroDeus: A few things strike me as odd about his play and posts so far.

He seems to be really focused on asking people for scum/town lists hunches, and it makes me think he's trying to blend to the background by simply larking the general consensus. His general view of the game list (ISO post #3) is mostly general stuff that the town in general believes (except an opinion about Katsuki, see below). His 3 stances are mainly talking about the RVS (pointless), defending himself, and bullying his points to get people to spout suspicion lists.

As well, I have gut feeling that Katsuki, but the fact that's he's posted so little that isn't fluff makes hard to find any evidence.

Vote AdubroDeus

It's sort of depressing that I'm going to have to go back to square one one my main case because of the replacement and that I'm never going to get an answer from the original poster *grumble*

Oh well, I'm going to

Vote: AdumbroDeus

for reasons previously stated anyways since neither competing wagon appeals to me right now.

Side Note: A quick glance at DH's abilities seem to say they're way too OP and the fact he claimed way too early raises some eyebrows, but on the other hand having a DV shot, a mini tree-stump shot, and an additional vote shot seem to not make sense with scum either.....

[malthusis]

God I have a lot to catch up on. I will having finals over the next two weeks, so do not expect uberactiveness.

That said, has malthusis started scumhunting yet? If not, then you guys should consider looking at him.

A summary of what has happened end of D1/entirety of D2 would be nice.

*massive facepalm*

[malthusis]

@Malt- Care to say anything else? You're still not scumhunting whch bothers me (And no, voting Adumbro for "reasons stated previously" isn't scumhunting). What do you think of players other than Adumbro? Who do you think is most scummy other than Adumbro and why?

I have a gut scum read on Katsuki, but the fact he hasn't posted anything substantial for 10 days (night included) makes it very hard to pick out anything in particular.

Narsis has been acting like a sheep for most of the game, whether it's sheepish town or scum trying to blend in I'm not really sure.

I've already put a few comments on DH in my last real post.

[malthusis]

Basically provided a post with 0 reads.

Summary of what malthusis said:

My gut says katsuki is scum, but I have no idea.
Narsis is sheeping, but I'm not sure if thats scum, or town.
I will refer to previous post for DH.
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Why DH, andrew? Why do you not believe his claim?

Your summary of my post is pretty ironic, considering your entire strategy for the second half of the game is "Oh, I'll poke malthusis occasionally and maybe throw in a crap logic argument every so often to make it look like I'm not actually blending into the background because I'm EPICALLY SCUM."

[malthusis]

Ironic? You're the one fencesitting and leaving all sorts of backdoors, not me.

I'd love if you pointed out the supposed crap logic you're accusing me of as well, instead of, ya know, flailing and mud-flinging.

Here's an example:

I promise a post is incoming tonight.

Meanwhile...

OHOHOHO, THAT'S A NICE RICH CHAINSAW COMING FROM MALTHUSIS.

What's even better, he says he has a gut feeling about me, yet votes for my suspect? I THINK NOT!

Unvote, Vote RBT

You throw out chainsaw defense without it having any meaning whatsoever to the situation to form up a resemblance of a case.

Isn't it ironic that Kat is voting for Malt because he isn't scumhunting, when she isn't scumhunting much either?

Thanks for saying better what I was trying to say with my post.....

[malthusis]

@Mod: How's the replacement for Adumbro going?

[malthusis]

One week from the time someone actually replaces in should be fine.

[malthusis]

Mal, any comment on the fact that you're at L-2?

Not really, Katsuki's voting me as a reaction to me having a case against him, you seem to be voting me because I'm lurking, and vezok's voting me because he's a VI (or trying to pretend to be one to get the vote in). There's not really a coherent, solid case against me and there's not that much to react to.

[malthusis]

..... Didn't notice the latest two votes.

Honestly, if your only case against someone is "We're vigging the person we really want gone", shouldn't you actually try scumhunting instead? (This isn't even counting all the variables such as RB's, doc's, etc) There's so many ways this can go wrong so easily, and even it somehow works out, what's stopping every single town vig from wasting their shots on one guy and leaving us with none at all?

[malthusis]

Mal, any comment on the fact that you're at L-2?

EBWOP: Technically I'm at L-1 if Gandalf would Unvote for once....

[malthusis]

Because half of you are lurking, and half of you are just sheeping me. I might sound confident in my reads, but really, this is kind of annoying having to do this with no real input from 2 slots, along with 2 slots just sheeping me.

This is another reason I think the case against me has gone so far. I'm practically the only person who hasn't followed the bandwagon, and the second I don't, I get pestered by Katsuki......

Actually, know that I think about it, that's actually pretty scummy!

Technically since everyone is following you chess, as long as your band wagon is going into a dead end town (which scum would obviously know about) all scum have to do is sheep along.

Katsuki would seem pretty scummy if she was scum trying to dissuade me from picking different wagons of his own scum buddies because he knew that everyone would simple "follow the chesskid".

Plus, Adumbro isn't here anyways, so there's no point in voting him.

Had a few more thoughts, but don't have time to type them, will try to post later.

Unvote, Vote Katsuki

[malthusis]

Continuation off of my last post:

Also, it strikes me as odd that when Katsuki votes Adumbro as a pressure vote (probably to bus) because of him lurking, yet he suddenly attacks me when I decide to vote him. When you're pressuring people, doesn't it make sense that you'd want more votes?

Before I claim, I still want to know exactly: What is the case against me? Why do you think I'm scummy? It seems I'm being hanged just because Narsis isn't going to get lynched today (a extremely weird plan which Gandalf even admits might not work). Basically everyone's yelling SCUMSCUMSCUM and pretty much no one's provided any reasons for why they want me gone.

And really, if this is the reason for the lynch:

Basically provided a post with 0 reads.

Summary of what malthusis said:

My gut says katsuki is scum, but I have no idea.
Narsis is sheeping, but I'm not sure if thats scum, or town.
I will refer to previous post for DH.
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Why DH, andrew? Why do you not believe his claim?

I have been providing stances on who I think is scummy, especially in the last few posts.

[malthusis]

Basically provided a post with 0 reads.

Summary of what malthusis said:

My gut says katsuki is scum, but I have no idea.
Narsis is sheeping, but I'm not sure if thats scum, or town.
I will refer to previous post for DH.
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Why DH, andrew? Why do you not believe his claim?

I have been providing stances on who I think is scummy, especially in the last few posts.

False statement. You have provided no solid stances, only stances like the one I have outlined in that post of mine (aka, laiden with backdoors).
You are now only pushing for me because I have been calling you out as scum. Before that, you were still saying

"oh gut says kat scum but I don't know"

, yet all of a sudden, you claim to have a case on me. Think of it as a OMGUS on your part if you will.

In class right now, so this is it for me for now. Also have 2 finals over the next two days, so do not expect anything from me for a few days.

I've always had a case on you, Katsuki, it's just I didn't have enough solid proof until now since you've barely posted anything of substance for me to look at.

[malthusis]

Damn you ThAdmiral, I was going to explain my vote, but then you came in and did it for me. Essentially, all you've done all game is defend yourself, and attack your attackers.

It's sort of hard to do scumhunting on certain people if they don't post..... Maybe it's more my style of play that I tend not to make cases unless something jumps out at me more then anything, but meta is a poor excuse for defense.

Anyways I'm an abjurer (specialize in defensive spells).

My 3 spells are:
-Shield (unlimited): Target is protected from a single killing attempt that night.
-Alarm (unlimited-triggered): You are warned if one or more players targeted you that night.
-Arcane Lock (Two-shot): The target can't be targeted nor can perform any actions that night.

[malthusis]

Nothing, other than the fact that if I knew nothing about D&D and was making a fakeclaim for doc, it's almost certainly what I'd use.

I disagree. If I knew nothing I would probably go something like "heal".

I'd lynch you immediately if you claimed that spell. Heal isn't a wizard spell, and it isn't even a sorcerer spell.

[malthusis]

EBWOP:

"We're well beyond lurker lynches, especially lurker lynches with a legit reason for lurking, unless we process of elimination everyone else out"
This is a really subtle defense of Katsuki. I don't like it.

Wait, you're pushing for Katsuki and you don't have anything more then he's lurking?

Please read the last few pages. Me as well as few others listed several reasons beyond lurking.....

As well as a tack on to the spell discussion: "Having the most obvious spell" is not a reason to lynch someone. Would it make any sense if I lynched a person because they had Magic Missile because it

obviously

had to be faked?

[malthusis]

"We're well beyond lurker lynches, especially lurker lynches with a legit reason for lurking, unless we process of elimination everyone else out"
This is a really subtle defense of Katsuki. I don't like it.

Trip Post Edit: Just noting this to add on to me "Katsuki and Adumbro are scumbuddies" theory......

[malthusis]

Note: I really need to read the thread better...

Narsis reads as scum that's essentially giving up right now.

or just a player that has given up?

Narsis, it doesn't matter if you're going to get shot tonight. Assuming your town, you can still try to help us find scum, or at least give a list of who you think are scum so we can note it if you flip town. Giving up doesn't help the town one bit.

[malthusis]

Trip Post Edit: Just noting this to add on to me "Katsuki and Adumbro are scumbuddies" theory......

Why is this the first I have heard of this theory? Care to expand on it?

I very vaguely outlined it 403 and 411 (Chess talked about it in 404) but technically it was this:

In my conversation about Adumbro, I said that he pretty much blended in with what the general consensus of the town except that he named Katsuki as town-read. This sort of stuck out to me as protecting his partner somewhat. This, along with Katsuki lightly bussing Adumbro for lurking but then scolding me when I make up a case to vote him (which I mentioned along with a few other things on p34). This along with thing I quoted seem like an unnatural set of coincidences. I do admit it's fairly vague and not enough alone to make me lynch either of them, but along with the other things I mentioned make me raise my eyebrows a bit.

[malthusis]

Also, Malthusis' case consisted of me using crap-logic. His accusation of crap-logic was my calling malthusis out for chainsawing.

I still don't get it. How does me voting AdumbroDeus have anything to do with chainsawing? Chainsawing is when someone defends someone by attacking their attacker. I call your argument craplogic because all you're doing is throwing out chainsawing like it's a buzzword when it doesn't apply to the situation. Who am I chainsawing for, in your mind?

[malthusis]

About the death miller idea: Barring bastard mod/ anything goes games, I would consider the possibility for a death miller to be non-existant. I do remember one that was used in a mini theme, but it was a very long time ago (I think it was Happy Tree Friends Mafia?).

[malthusis]

Death millers can really ruin games. I sincerely hope there isn't one here.

QFT

[malthusis]

That makes some sense. Okay, I'm switching my dayvig to malthusis now. Who thinks Narsis is a survivor?

So scumteam is: Malthusis, ADumbro, Andrew. Third Party is: Narsis.

@Gandalf: I'm interested in hearing your reasoning that connects us all together. Explain?

[malthusis]

There aren't any in particular that I can think of. But you're all scum, and Narsis is a survivor, so you're obviously on a scumteam. Simple logic.

.....

The game of mafia isn't a vacuum. The scum interact with each other in different ways, and the fact you called them a scum team instead of scum reads like the rest of have made me think that you had some common thread to link them all together (sort of like what I provided for Adumbro and Katsuki).

[malthusis]

Also, Malthusis' case consisted of me using crap-logic. His accusation of crap-logic was my calling malthusis out for chainsawing.

I still don't get it. How does me voting AdumbroDeus have anything to do with chainsawing? Chainsawing is when someone defends someone by attacking their attacker. I call your argument craplogic because all you're doing is throwing out chainsawing like it's a buzzword when it doesn't apply to the situation. Who am I chainsawing for, in your mind?

Answer this please, Katsuki....

[malthusis]

@Mod: Prod Adumbro please....

[malthusis]

Katsuki unwilling to lynch Adumbro but not man enough to just say it?

Trip Post Edit: Just noting this to add on to me "Katsuki and Adumbro are scumbuddies" theory......

[malthusis]

Still waiting on answers from Katsuki and AdumbroDeus......... *twiddles thumbs*

[malthusis]

We've only got 3 1/2 days left to deadline and everyone's lurking? *sigh*

We need to figure out who we want to lynch, town. Everyone state your top two lynch candidates, and reasons why they should be lynched if you haven't stated them.

[malthusis]

EBWOP: That includes Spyrex too.

[malthusis]

Gandalf mentions the basic details of his vig shot on posts #951 and 2, I claim on post #867, DH (you) claims at post #730, and RBT claims on her ISO #12.

Also what's your reasoning on the game in general? A second opinion on the game always helps....

[malthusis]

You could have made that easy but nooooo. I'll deal with that in a bit.

My general reasoning? Everyone is getting too sucked into flavor. Way too sucked in. That's only the tiniest fraction of what is going on.

The purge needs to take place NOW to get to the gritty.

I do agree that we are getting too sucked into the flavor, but except for the vig shot at the end of the day, it doesn't affect any of the cases made at all.

[malthusis]

My protection failed last night.

Will try to comment on all the weird happenings later today.

[malthusis]

Just a quick note, no matter what we need to wait for everyone to comment about what happened before we get a lynch through.

And ultimately if it comes down to it, I trust my own case and chesskid's word over Katsuki's any day.

Also another note: I know vezok was town, but would you have honestly trusted him in Lylo?

[malthusis]

I'm inclined to agree with you on DH/Spyrex. This set of posts made by DH was a really scummy way of slipping onto my wagon:

Katsuki has a point, malth provided 0 solid stances for anyone in his last couple of posts.

Fos: Malth

@maf do the town a favor and nk andrew plz.

If narsis is getting vigged, then I'll go with my FoS.

Unvote, Vote: Malth

[malthusis]

EBWOP: Gandalf, do you honestly still think that RBT is a death anti-miller? And more importantly, how does that affect what we're doing?

[malthusis]

If we have an SK, it's probably 9:2:1 setup, so it would be 4:2:1 right now. If we lynch SK, (all of these possibilities account for no wacky night actions) we will be 3:2. If we lynch scum, it will be 4:1:1 after lynch, and then an interesting situation comes up :

Assuming both non-town players kill, we need to hope for a cross kill or block advantageous to town. Otherwise it's going to be 2:1:1, and the SK is an extremely good chance to win by lynching scum, and hoping that his kill goes through.

However, we have one trump card: me. I find it so ironic that everyone was saying "Oh noez, why would you ever use your JK ability when you can just protect yourself"? All I have to do in a worst case situation is simply jail-keep a anti-town kill, and as long as we keep killing right, we can still win.

This game is not a lost cause, as long as we keep lynching correctly, we still win.

[malthusis]

@Katsuki: Got a PM saying my action failed.

@Gandalf and Katsuki: Don't know what you've been thinking, but I protected myself last night. Why I would protect someone who I've had a scum case on for the most of the game, and other who wants to kill me?

[malthusis]

Thadmiral to say something?

[malthusis]

WAIT

Malth, you CANT protect yourself. Doctors never can, because a doc that can protect themselves is broken, especially if there's a vig in the game, which there clearly is.

Malt just lied to all of us. Can we lynch him after Kat? <3

? This game I sure can. I've been doing it since N1. It's balanced because I can't use my JK while I'm doing it.

And honestly, with all the whack claims I've seen going around, you call this unbalanced?

[malthusis]

WAIT

Malth, you CANT protect yourself. Doctors never can, because a doc that can protect themselves is broken, especially if there's a vig in the game, which there clearly is.

Malt just lied to all of us. Can we lynch him after Kat? <3

? This game I sure can. I've been doing it since N1. It's balanced because I can't use my JK while I'm doing it.

And honestly, with all the whack claims I've seen going around, you call this unbalanced?

It also seems ironic that you call a doctor that can protect themselves possible, and yet you thought there was an anti-death miller in this game?

[malthusis]

*not possible

[malthusis]

Sorry for lack of posting. Been busy lately.

I killed narsis. I am a pyromancer.

Will try to get a bigger post in tonight as I'm on my phone right now.

Such a pathetic fake-claim. Are scum even trying anymore?

I'll wait till Thadmiral's promised post, then I'm going to vote Katsuki again.

[malthusis]

Your pyromancer link is a prestige class instead of a specialization, but that conversation can wait till the tomorrow.

I think everyone's said everything there is to say at this point, so I'm going to

Vote: Katsuki

P-Edit: Gandalf ninja'd me :X

[malthusis]

*waits in anticipation for the lynch scene*

[malthusis]

1) chess said the slashing flavour is from a sk
2) chess says he sees kat kill doom
3) it is very likely 3 scum 3 town 1 sk today
4) chess wants to lynch the sk
5) chess is scum with the hammerers malthusis and gandalf or spreyx

wth are you talking about?

[malthusis]

Where's that quadruple face-palm picture when you need it....

[malthusis]

Assuming you're right, if there's an SK, the game is not even close to being over.

[malthusis]

Do you honestly think the mod made this 8:3:1?

[malthusis]

so who did you kill last night kat

For once, Andrew has a point (I'm just amazed as you are, I know). You said you can only kill on odd nights, and yet 3 people died last night. I doubt there were 2 vig shots last night.....

[malthusis]

The MC plan sounds good, but I want ThAd to claim first, considering his claim sounded extremely bogus.

[malthusis]

I have info that says ThAd's claim may be legit. I refuse to go after him.

Really? When you claim I'd like to see this "information".

[malthusis]

Don't forget you're claiming too, chess....

[malthusis]

If we're doing action claims, I want to be last.

[malthusis]

Nothing's changed, I already claimed a long time ago.....

Anyways I'm an abjurer (specialize in defensive spells).

My 3 spells are:
-Shield (unlimited): Target is protected from a single killing attempt that night.
-Alarm (unlimited-triggered): You are warned if one or more players targeted you that night.
-Arcane Lock (Two-shot): The target can't be targeted nor can perform any actions that night.

[malthusis]

How does that confirm ThAd in any way, Gandalf? He could be just easily be a sorcerer with a set of spells that would fit with a pyromancer claim.

However, I'm going to wait till he claims until I say anything more.

[malthusis]

So andrew is a totally power-less townie with no actions?

[malthusis]

I basically think the vengeful claim is just scum trying to make us mislynch by not lynching him. It's honestly hard to pick between gandalf and andrew has the second scum, and Thad is banking on that to help him out.

ThAd is not retarded scum either. Other then answering questions directly phrased at him and easy to answer questions, he hasn't said a word as to not give away his partner.

I think ThAd is the best lynch today, and it's ultimately going to be one hell of an end-game.

A quick mod question:

@Mod: Does the mafia factional kill count as your 1 active action use for the night?

Do you honestly think I'm going to answer this?

Vote: ThAdmiral

[malthusis]

The reason I asked that question is because I've been RB'ed every single night since the start of the game. First it was by CK, then after that it was by sorcerer's after claiming. The reason ThAd is saying there's a mafia RB is because he's IN the mafia. We also can't simply rely on the fact that ThAd is the RB that we're lynching today as well, so it will be hard to plan for next night. I'm willing to take any consequences of the contingency to prove my point.

[malthusis]

@Gandalf: The very first thing I checked when I got my role was whether I could target myself


So what's the plan for night actions going to be?

[malthusis]

I would rather have him vig andrew then protect himself because it assures us the win.

[malthusis]

I'm not really sure what you mean.

We currently have 5 people alive"
ThAd
Chess
Gandalf
andrew
malth

With Thad lynched, that will be 4. Assuming he's scum and the vengence is a bluff, we will still have 4 (We can easily adapt to situation if need be).

If andrew kills chess, there will still be 2 town, 1 scum.

I don't see your point here.....

[malthusis]

@Chess: Where is the downside in shooting andrew? If you die, we simply lynch andrew tomorrow. Me and Gandalf will self-protect. The scum only has one RB, so either he prevents one of us from protecting ourselves, one of us dies and he dies, or he blocks you from killing, kills you then we'll lynch andrew tomorrow.

[malthusis]

Because if one of you is playing me, then 2 townies die, and it's game over

But I thought you said andrew was the lynch tomorrow? Do you consider me or gandalf to be the final scum? (assuming ThAd) is the final scum.

[malthusis]

*That last part is all in brackets

[malthusis]

(This sentence is in brackets, not parentheses.)

[malthusis]

The anti-magic amulet was technically fair game, but the death miller was just cruel. The entire town would have probably revaluated what we were doing if RBT turned up scum.

Also mod, you made a bit of an error in the night actions. I didn't claim Invulnerability at all. I purposely kept it withheld as my "trump card" so to speak. You counted it as it was blocked, though. Here's my claim post:

Nothing's changed, I already claimed a long time ago.....

Anyways I'm an abjurer (specialize in defensive spells).

My 3 spells are:
-Shield (unlimited): Target is protected from a single killing attempt that night.
-Alarm (unlimited-triggered): You are warned if one or more players targeted you that night.
-Arcane Lock (Two-shot): The target can't be targeted nor can perform any actions that night.

See, no invulnerability

[malthusis]

I'm going /pre-in for the next one if I can, but PLEASE no Anti-millers. It's okay if you do something like reveal RBT, ???????? Lynched Day 1, but lying to the players like that is something players never take into account, except in bastard games (which you didn't advertise it as).