Mini 1064 - Charlie's Town (Game Over!)

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, why aren't we on your list?

You aren't interesting enough. Maybe some other day.

We are fairly disappointed in this lackluster vote switch. For the sake of argument, did you just come to the conclusion that "things are boring" without Shotty around? Or why was that not a factor when you voted him a week ago. If this wasn't really a reason for you jumping off his wagon, what is the actual reason and why did you not give it the first time?

When boredom comes, it comes. I'm not advancing the Shotty wagon in any way by sitting on my hands and waiting for him to come back, so there's no reason to stay on it. I'd much rather advance my read on FakeGod.

I find the case against Shotty very "meh".

I find the lack of a mention of actual points brought up against Shotty very concerning.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The only thing relevant that we see in your linked post is when you say "P.S. FakeGod is looking good as a #2 suspect." So like we said, if that is the teaser for your other hidden scum reads, we are waiting with baited breath; which begs the question why don't you switch your vote to FakeGod? Your one vote wonder wagon on us isn't going anywhere and you are not actively trying to get others to join our wagon, so why don't you switch over to your "good #2 suspect" and advance your alleged town aligned win condition?

My other scum reads? I only have 2 at this time. As to changing my vote, I've considered it and although I agree that a vote on FakeGod is more likely to contribute to a lynch, I feel keeping my vote on you sends a message to you and the town which I feel is more important at this time.

We posted our suspicion in post 104 at 1:32pm. Reckamonic posted their response in post 115 at 8:10pm (both on the same day, so less than seven hours apart). Richard did not post at all during this time period. Now you don't believe our explained justification for Richard being likely scum but you believe Reckamonic's definitive claim of Richard being scum is solid because of their feelings on claiming the end of RVS? Somehow in the course of seven hours it became acceptable to claim definitively that Richard was scum with a less thought out and less justified reason?

Why are you ignoring my earlier explanation? Your entire argument is based on a naive, literal reading of Reckamonic's post which I consider to be wholly unjustified. Not to mention that I hold Reckamonic to lower standards in this regard anyway.

I find the lack of a mention of actual points brought up against Shotty very concerning.

Why?

[Nachomamma8]

[quote"Cogito Ergo Sun"]Why?[/quote]
Well, the Shotty wagon is at L-2 with two people who are obviously willing to vote him, and obviously willing to push his lynch. You say the case on him is "meh", but you don't feel like explaining why. Seems to me like you're just distancing from a lynch.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

There's not much to say in terms of explanation. I just find the arguments put forward unconvincing to the point that they induce apathy. It's the kind of thing I wouldn't normally comment on, but with, as you point out, a lynch quite possibly coming up shortly, I felt I should get my opinion out there.

[Nachomamma8]

Ah. Fair enough.

[FakeGod]

@Shotty: Claim?

[Nachomamma8]

That won't be necessary.

[FakeGod]

And why not?

[Substrike22]

@ Fake, in response to your question last page, I like Nacho, he's one of my townest reads.

UNVOTE: Mas
VOTE: FakeGod

Fake you're active lurking. You pop in every so often, ask an irrelevant question, then go back to active lurking, except to come in and ask Shotty for a claim?

[Nachomamma8]

Shotty needs a prod.
Fake needs a noose.

And Fake, shouldn't Shotty defend himself and see how people respond to his defense before claiming? Don't you think it's protown to claim as a last resort, not as a first response to a big wagon on you?

[FakeGod]

That's a great loaded question, Nacho.

Because everything obviously depends on the role in question, it could be protown to claim early or claim at the last second.

Now, in any cases, claiming at L-1 is untrustworthy, and way too risky.

You're giving the scum the option of sacrificing one of their members to take out a powerful role.

[SpyreX]

What?

Seriously, what.

There are few roles awesome enough that a 1-1 would be a bad trade.

[FakeGod]

how about a JOAT?

I know there's no way I would trade a fully loaded JOAT for a mafia goon.

[FakeGod]

come to think of it, I wouldn't want to trade even a cop or doctor for a mafia goon.

Would you?

[Charlie]

Shotty to the Body has been prodded.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Would you?

I totally would.

[Nachomamma8]

That's a great loaded question, Nacho.

That's not loaded. That's RHETORICAL.

Now, in any cases, claiming at L-1 is untrustworthy, and way too risky.

You're giving the scum the option of sacrificing one of their members to take out a powerful role.

Um, what? You're the one who's suggesting Shotty claim immediately instead of defending himself first...

[SpyreX]

come to think of it, I wouldn't want to trade even a cop or doctor for a mafia goon.

Would you?

Good lord yes.

Always yes.

[Nachomamma8]

Spy, will you help me lynch FakeGod until Shotty gets back?

PLEASEEEEE

[SpyreX]

You realize that IF WE ARE WRONG about FG that its gonna be game, rite?

[Nachomamma8]

No, not at all.

10/12 alive isn't typical LyLo in the mini normal's I've played in.

[FakeGod]

@Nacho: huh, I thought Shotty was at L-2.

@SpyreX: how do you know whether this game will end with 2 mislynches?

[Nachomamma8]

Oh. You're arguing you want Shotty to claim now because claiming at L-1 is dangerous?

You're not addressing my original point, then. Why claim now? Why not give Shotty a chance to defend himself first, especially since he's been gone so long...?

[FakeGod]

Defending himself is what he should've been doing entire time. I'm discussing when is the right time to claim.

[SpyreX]

No, not at all.

10/12 alive isn't typical LyLo in the mini normal's I've played in.

Damnit nacho you know better than that.

You know thats not what I meant but after D1 IF I jump on here at your behest and FG is town you KNOW what tomorrow is.

You know it.

I'm still deciding if my FG-hate outweighs the Shotty-hate enough to take that gamble.