Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[ReaperCharlie]

Time for a little wagon analysis...

Triglav

Post #1006

:

Vote: ReaperCharlie

No reasoning whatsoever. This is Triglav's whole post.

Seacore

Post #1015

:

BECAUSE I AM AN EVILMASTERMIND THAT SCUM FEAR AND KILL N1.

*CACKLES*

NOW HURRY UP AND GET THIS WAGON OFF YOU SEACORE SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO SERIOUS BUSINESS.

I'm trying, but people seem to need more convincing. Maybe I should die and be revealled as town, then people will stop voting for me.

I'm going to move on to RC as well though, maybe a few more prods will actually get an answer to the question he's been dodging for a while.

UNVOTE: AV VOTE: RC

Voted me for dodging questions. Ok, that's a reason.

Fate

Post #1016

:

Well hot damn if you're gonna go and make it VIABLE>

THREE'S COMPANY TOO BITCHES

VOTE: RC

"THREE'S COMPANY" is not a reason.

VasudeVa

Post #1042

:

Vote: ReaperCharles

Apparently, I missed some stuff over the last pages. Add those seacorian stuff to my vote and this:

I've been watching RC play for a while now, and he's been giving me terrible terrible vibes. Like, horrible ones. First off, meta wise: This guy is extremely Lazy as Town. Seriously. However, as scum, he's just a happy little butterfly~

However that's not the meat of this, he's been attempting to gain 'Town Points' that he doesn't deserve by either attacking people or shouting 'I'm TOWN YEAHh.'.

-I was telling Furc to stop spamming the thread, and he calls me out as scum for it. Not only are there multiple other people who were RAGING at Furc for the spam, but then he proceeds to make out a 'I welcome each and every single post' in an attempt to get Town points.

-He dares attack obvTown hito by saying that 'volunteer fishing' is scummy. However, he had the brass balls to actually

volunteer

for the slot of Town Graverobber when he just called out hito for volunteer fishing. The is is just super scummy hyporcisy. He's probably cult-relegated corpse dust fisher or something.

Addendum: He keeps repeating how Town he is because he's the "SHINING BEACON OF TOWNIENESS" to himself, but he never really earned that did he? Other people like say, Hito did. But RC? Nah. I think that this is somewhat of a slip of his true intentions. He keeps repeating it even if he never earned it so that the thought gets hammered into our heads.

Seriously, this guy is getting away with this BS because of the above average number of words/page in this game. In a game with the average number of words/page, the stuff he's been doing is inexcusable especially ISO #46. In fact, that alone EASILY earns him the the rope for today, and I'm not even counting whatever case they're talking about up there.

Doesn't like that give myself town points. Doesn't like that I call him scummy for telling Furc to stop posting. Doesn't like that I bring hito's motives for graverobbing into question.

Really

doesn't like that I give myself town points. Other than that, not too much of a "case".

MagnaofIllusion

Post #1061

:

- Before [#1004] he was the “Shining Beacon of Town”, making ‘astute’ observations and credible posts. Now he’s suddenly under fire and he suddenly is trying to revert to his “Lazy Town” meta which I pointed out 713. Change of playstyles based solely on pressure? Scumtastic.
- Town RC doesn’t proclaim themselves the Town Beacon Day 1. Town RC has to be prodded to provide content. Scum RC loves to establish himself as the center of attention if perceived as clear or Town.

The fact that you suddenly are playing the Lazy Town card this late into the day when you’ve had no trouble finding and keeping up with posts before this (when pages were flying fast and furious) plays very false.

The fact that you’ve spent as much time gathering your “Town Team of Awesomesauce” this early in the game and the majority of your scum-huting has consisted of “Seacore is Scum LOLOL” doesn’t make me think my gut is wrong at this stage.

Oh yeah, since your panties are so in a bunch.

UNVOTE: AV
VOTE: ReaperCharlie

Accuses me of reverting to a different meta. Says I am not playing to town meta because town me doesn't say "I'm town." Says I usually need to be prodded as town, and am usually Mr. Center of Attention as town (when I'm really scum). Says I'm playing the Lazy card late in the day when before I was keeping up rather well. Doesn't like my Town Team of Awesomesauce. Doesn't like my case on Seacore.

SpyreX

Post #1021

:

Ok, this is cool and all in a mini or a game at normal speeds but I swear to god these wagons don't make any sense AND I CANT FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM.

and

Post #1073

:

THANK YOU

Unvote, Vote: RC

Blatant sheep.

xvart

Post #1184

:

If I was cult, why wouldn't I just let Furcolow get lynched?

Really? This is easy. ScumRC would want Furcolow alive because in the eventual event of his lynch you could claim an impeccable read on him. Also, him being alive would create a player slot that could very well be detrimental long term, or at least create pages of nonsense and little content to filter through for days. The fact that you have always been so adamant about Furcolow not being lynched has always struck me as odd, because even if you think he is so obvious town, you don't strike me as a player that would be up in arms about keeping him around. You have always struck me as a guy willing to trim the fat, or at least not caring enough about not trimming the fat.

Wait, I thought the Cult could kill each night regardless of stalking.

Fetishes give people extra insanities, and the Ritual kills 'em, right?

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Now this is something I could actually see ScumRC doing as misdirection. Trying to pull a not so fast one on everyone. Who were you even talking to when you made this comment Reaper?

VOTE: ReaperCharlie

For some reason, thinks me-scum would NOT want furc-town lynched Day 1 (?), but thinks I am the kind of guy to trim the fat and get furc lynched (if I am town). (Yep. This makes

sense

... *borat voice* NOT!) Also thinks my post #1004 asking about cult kills is WIFOMcult trying to look clueless about how cult matters work.

AurorusVox

Post #1205

:

I am convinced by many of these RC cases, SeaCore (!!) in particular has been summarising it very well. I still want to do my own ISO of him, but I'm comfortable enough with those summaries to

Vote: ReaperCharlie

for now.

Another blatant sheep. I already talked about how bad of a vote this is, in

THIS

post. I'd love for you to click the link and read what I had to say.

kunkstar7

Post #1255

:

cool story bro.

vote: xvart

Man, this right here is enough to

Vote:RC.

Really. It is? So you're voting me for saying "cool story bro" over anything else? kunk is scum.

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And in case you missed it, (I think most of it's detailed above, but I'll try to succinctify it here for those struggling to keep up), the case on me is this:

1.

I contradicted myself. (what I said was essentially that a hydra having conflicting reads (Lost Butterfly - Mina/Faraday) was scummy. But I also said that SSBF's post ____ about Triglav was right on. This basically means, I have condradicting views on hydras, and therefore, I MUST BE A LIAR. LYNCH ALL LIARS.

2.

I dodged questions about #1. Guilty as charged. Didn't see them, and was too lazy to look.

3.

I played dumb about cult mechanics and asked a question in the topic about how cult kills work. My motivation was to WIFOM the town into thinking "OMFG! He must be a townie because no cult wouldn't know how the cult works!", but really, I must be cult because no townie would be that stupid. They'd look in the ruleset, obviously! ERGO I MUST BE CULT!

4.

No town player would repeatedly call themselves town so vehemently. OBV CULT.

5.

No town player would buddy up to people so often and so obviously. OBV CULT.

6.

I've questioned hitorogoshi's motives. But wait! No town player would question such an obvtown player's motives!! OBV CULT.

7.

Magna doesn't like my case on Seacore, doesn't think I'm playing to my town meta according to past games he's played with me, doesn't like when he thinks I'm trying to play to my town meta just for the sake of playing to my town meta (say that three times fast), and overall just thinks I'm trying to take the center of attention and lead the town (like in Harry Potter where we were scum together).

I admit, Magna DOES have a few legitimate complaints with my play when others have rather hollow/contrived/reaching cases on me. But onwards.

8.

Baaaaaaaaaaa (Fate, SpyreX, AurorusVox, kunkstar).

9.

xvart thinks I would NOT want to lynch furcolow-town if I was scum. But that I WOULD want to lynch furcolow-town if I was TOWN (because I'd want to trim the fat). Yes. This one makes the most sense out of all of them. Really.

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So basically in a nutshell, there is the entire case on me.


Now I am opening the floor:

If you have any questions, comments, complaints, rage-posts, etc. Please direct them to me in a clear, concise, and succinct manner, and I will do my utmost to alleviate your suspicion and prove my goodwill, innocent intent, and anything else you may want, need, or otherwise require.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, here is Bowser's ENTIRE ISO:

No noise. Did not ward.

Vote: Furcolow

for being a detriment to the investigators late game of SAII.

~CSL

P-Edit: RC, re-read SAII. NOW.

Fate, your behavior is clearly anti-town.

Unvote; Vote: Fate

Benmage is town.

Preview Edit: Yeah. I love my vote now. More votes, please.

Mod: I believe Fate either needs to be replaced, or be given a severe warning. His posts are breaking the civility line a lot.

Furcolow, I can vote you right back. You are high on my scumlist.


1...2....3....4....5....6...7...8 times I got ninja'd.

OOH NICE BANDWAGON YOU GOT THAR!

Unvote

After re-looking at the Fate/Benmage incident, it's more like they want to out-piss each other. In other words, it's null.

Plum's 295 made me chortle.

Anyways,

I'll do a more thorough re-read tomorrow.

~CSL

Furc's ward mixup is a mixup. No need to dig into it further. Let it go.

Furcolow, stop your repeated spamming of posts. No one's going to want to ISO you late in the game if you have too many posts.

I don't have time to do a full reread right now, because I've been ill at the moment. Hopefully I'll get at it tonight.

~CSL

/dodges prod.

Rereading tomorrow.

Yeah. I'm loving how he's not getting any more attention.

[ReaperCharlie]

ebwop: OOPS! Sorry, those last two posts of Bowser's should read

OCT 21

and

OCT 26

, respectively.

[Furcolow]

combine that with seacore/moi/xvart all being on my wagon
sneaky sneaky!

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, @ Mina #1175 (and really, anyone who wants):

You asked Magna for some meta of me; here are some of my best games as town and scum:

Werewolf Wisborg Asylum (

town

): viewtopic.php?t=14071
Smalltown Stardust Mafia (

scum

): viewtopic.php?t=14102
Harry Potter Mafia (

scum

): viewtopic.php?t=14190
Square Enix II Mafia (

scum

): viewtopic.php?t=14212

I am much better at scum than I am at town, and here is my wiki to prove it, lol:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... fia_Record

Overall, I am

2-9-1

as town, and

4-2-0

as scum. The scum games I lost were because I made newbie mistakes in both of them. But I have had some terrible luck in playing some really, really bad town games. I wouldn't say they are all my fault that we lost, but at least one of them is (Powerful Wizard Mafia comes to mind. Dam# you, Andrius).

[ReaperCharlie]

Hey, welcome back Furcolow! Join the party! <3

[Furcolow]

is it just me, or are there 3-4 people on your wagon who were on mine?

[ReaperCharlie]

It's not just you. lol

[Andrius]

(Powerful Wizard Mafia comes to mind. Dam# you, Andrius).

\BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/ASLSSP

[Furcolow]

ok. i'm going to make some basic points.
1) I believe RC is town
a. he has a res kit, so is therefore valuable.
-Res kits can be confirmed
-we can force him to res who we want.
-if it gets to WIFOM, *then* we lynch him
b.

HE DIDN'T HEAR NOISE, AND WAS WARDED

2) I am confirmed in the eyes of the smarter people.
-i warded, there was confusion, i will be pro-town, but i need RC as my wingman
3) People who tried to wagon a confirmed town, are trying to wagon RC
a. xvart
i took him to be pro-town, but like RC has said his ward claim came REALLY late. He's either cultist/going murderer. Lynch this guy.
b. MoI
Where has he been? As town he is very, very active in attacking/defending people. This game he has tried to imitate that, but he has been WAY LESS ACTIVE. likely cult here, too.
c. Seacore
this guy had a wagon on him. what happened to that? scum diffusion?
he might be town, but if he is, his heart is in the wrong place. That leads me to my next point:
4) There are guaranteed to be townies on his wagon... investigators, whatever
a. you all need to unvote
b. you all should be voting with me, as i am town
c. reapercharlie is not in danger of dying. we need to lynch either someone who is actually scum, or someone whose actions don't add up

[Furcolow]

i'm reading really really slow.
just got past page 5.
is there anything urgent that need to be read?

finished page 10 now, but i need sleep. will continue the read tomorrow.

i'm still catching up slowly. just got past page 15...

too many homework these days.

but i will catch up soon.

we could just lynch this guy. at this rate, he isn't ever going to catch up.

[Furcolow]

i am also willing to bet money triglav is scum

[AurorusVox]

@ AV: I don't know if they're scum together. I think Baby Spice is scummy, but I'm onto something with this xvart thing. I can tell I've hit a nerve. What do YOU think?

Hello Mr. Fence sitter.

I see that you don't want to take a stance, thus nullifying my follow up questions for you. I will treat that as being evasive (especially considering you didn't answer me before that), because a central point of your suspicion of xvart is that he and BabySpice warded the same target. You

must

have considered if you think they'd be on the same team. Thus I think you either haven't really given your case much thought, and are just trying to lay down the seeds for an alternative wagon on xvart -- or you have thought about it and don't know how best to answer. If you're town, you'd think about it and give me an answer.

BUT, you seem very quick to try to point it out, trying to perform quick damage control on something that could derail my wagon, and trying to immediately nullify anything anybody says about me being town. Which I am.

BUT, El Goosuki seemed very quick to try to point it out, trying to perform quick derailing with something that might actually have been put there intentionally for him to pick up on, trying to salvage your sinking ship of shining hope.

Can you PLEASE explain to the class, exactly when your read on Seacore switched [...] Apparently now you think that Seacore is town?

In other news, Seacore is looking townier in his responses. I doubt scum would still continue to beat the Furc issue, when 99% of people agree that Furc is town. I also like his summary of the RC wagon.

It happened around the time I posted that my read on Seacore switched.

And not just marginally town, but now a shining townie with a good case on somebody else? Someone you trust so thoroughly that you will now commence sheepage on his case without even doing your own ISO?

His case was the best of everyones, but MoI and VV have also also built a case on you that I read with interest. Seacore's was the one I felt was the strongest; and so his was the one I explicitly mentioned. I've done a very very quick ISO of you actually, and it didn't push me off the wagon, soo...

And just because I agree with his summary of your play doesn't mean he's a shining townie - he's a townish player with a good case on you and your responses to his points (essentially "meh" until you suddenly started defending yourself - a prompt in the QT perhaps?) didn't really stack up.

And even if you DID decide that your COMPLETE 180 on Seacore was warranted, it still doesn't explain your next post.

So can you please,

please

explain to me, what POSSIBLE sense I could then make of this post?

Why are you putting me and Seacore in the same category?

Are you saying that we're both TOWN?? If so, when did THAT change?

I'm putting you in the same category because I suspected El G was just voting for the biggest wagons, which at the time were you and Seacore. Interesting that he's stayed off yours but hopped on xvart's. And defended you. And called you 100% town.

It automatically explains their high insanity count and it gives him/her information about who the other Murderers are.

Doesn't it stop them stalking/murdering?

[ReaperCharlie]

I suspected El G was just voting for the biggest wagons, which at the time were you and Seacore. Interesting that he's stayed off yours but hopped on xvart's. And defended you. And called you 100% town.

WOW. SOUNDS F#$^ING FAMILIAR. I.E. ME/FURC.

APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T PUT 2+2 TOGETHER.

[ReaperCharlie]

Not to mention, posts like I've copied below look VERY HEAVILY like scum distancing AND coaching:

I attacked Furc because, to me, it seems he's been caught out on a lie. I find it hard to believe that Percy would not have at least clarified why El Gooski got the target. [...] furc has likely lied.

Seacore, did you see any of the arguments suggesting that (a) Furc had to Ward, or (b) the message would be considered unambiguous? I'm not sure how you can still think he's lying. In this crazy world, do you think it's more likely that he Stalked, or Crafted a Fetish?

Your list of certain scum? Please wait until I'm lynched and revealed as somebody with 0 insanity points before you answer that.

The whole zero insanity thing seems like he wants to cause confusion D2, where we think he's town but he's actually scum. So we spend D2 operating under false assumptions and give his buddies a bit of breathing room.

I just feel there's evidence heavily suggesting that you have lied about your night action, whether you have lied about your action, target or both

Could you expand on this "heavy evidence"? Also, don't you think lying about the target would be very risky: what if El G hadn't heard noise? Unless you think El G is scum?

Placing a vote on him just feels too easy.

You've not voted for most of the game. Surely an easy vote is better than no vote?

[Furcolow]

i had a town read on AV
that is slipping away

[Seacore]

Not to mention, posts like I've copied below look VERY HEAVILY like scum distancing AND coaching:

Except that, as has been stated several times, scum have a day talk QT, so why would coaching need to be out here.

[Baby Spice]

Okay, so there were some opinions stated about claiming Ward targets. Your soft claim comment is wrong; but it would please me if you could clarify the cult motivation for soft claiming a ward target or what benefit that would have if I was busy crafting fetishes or doing something Cultish.

Why should I clarify something I didn't say/intimate.

Which would make your question a deflection of some kind I suppose.

[ReaperCharlie]

Not to mention, posts like I've copied below look VERY HEAVILY like scum distancing AND coaching:

Except that, as has been stated several times, scum have a day talk QT, so why would coaching need to be out here.

...

Point taken.

But that's what it looks like. Do you disagree?

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, your defense of him is noted, Seacore.

[hitogoroshi]

"Hey guys I think AV is actually a taco"

"uhh no, tacos are incapable of communicating via written english"

"YOUR DEFENSE OF AV IS NOTED"

(it looks just as petty when you do it, don't threaten people for doing your homework)

Anyway I'll go ahead and

unvote

now, but won't revote until I can give this game a bit of time to figure out which wagon I like the most.

No one but Furcolow graverobs tonight.

Also I don't see why people want to keep their insanities secret. Making people pin themselves down on insanity number and identity means we can catch a murderer/cultist with a single out-of-place insanity. If we just do number, they'll obviously claim whatever insanity we find evidence of as the one they took, even if they're hiding more we didn't find. What are you honestly worried about the cult knowing in terms of your insanities?

[Trilobite]

We're against the RC wagon and pretty much agree with what you said about his “slip” in that we don't think it is very much of one at all. All in all it feels like an opportunistic wagon when we have much better avenues to pursue. Namely Seacore and LB. Do you think Bowser is a better lynch than RC?

No, not any more. Mainly because of his sig. I think that RC is lynchable, because of his off-the-charts buddying and wagon-ridin' (though, as you mention, this wagon is suspect); while I guess I have to downgrade my read on Bowser to null.

Unvote: Bowser

Okay, so now what? Lets say you had a day vig shot right now and could shoot anyone, who would you pick and why?

Feysal:

I think it was Baby Spice who asked but I didn't see the follow up, why are you still not voting?

Other thoughts:

I'm feeling RC town still and xvart's counter posts have looked good to me. We won't be joining either of these wagons.

~Sotty

[ReaperCharlie]

"Hey guys I think AV is actually a taco"

"uhh no, tacos are incapable of communicating via written english"

"YOUR DEFENSE OF AV IS NOTED"

...

[ReaperCharlie]

So what do you think of the last few posts I have written, hito?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Until #1061 MoI was looking good for Paranoid btw, but he voted someone who hasn't voted for him in RC.

Explain how this makes any sense in the context that I voted Furcolow (which has been decried as Policy Based) before he had even posted, much less voted for me.

@xvart: why did you ward MoI?

@Baby Spice: why did you ward MoI?

Both of these explanations were given when the claims were initially made. Why are you asking for answers we already have?

IN FACT WE MAY EVEN WANT TO LYNCH PLUM TODAY.

RC IS OBVSCUM TO BE LYNCHED ON ANY DAY.

Quit drinking the crazy juice Fate. The only time I ever see anyone say “This person is obvscum but we can lynch them any time” is when they are scum. Don’t make me rethink my Town read on you.

While not proof, xvart failed to give Elli a town read, and his voting pattern landed him on my short list for scum.

Not giving Elli’s pointless list making isn’t a Scum tell. And randomly picking a wagon as scum-landed hardly qualifies as any sort of Voting Analysis.

No reason related to game rules. Vote hopping is just not my style. I prefer to vote when I have a more solid case to act on, or if my vote is needed to secure a lynch at deadline. That said, the case on ReaperCharlie put together by Seacore and MoI looks compelling, but I'd still like to read his posts in ISO before placing my vote.

Aside from the insanity angle the Baby Spice provided this looks like Vote Footprint (tm to Magnaofillusion) minimization, which I find scummy. We are far enough into the Day that you should have by now either seen a solid case that you agreed with or developed one of your own. As a proponent of VC analysis I find your reasoning to be not justified.

We're against the RC wagon and pretty much agree with what you said about his “slip” in that we don't think it is very much of one at all. All in all it feels like an opportunistic wagon when we have much better avenues to pursue. Namely Seacore and LB.

Minimizing the nature of the reasons people are voting for RC? Check. Seriously it is hardly just for the ‘slip’. If he is indeed Cult I’ll be looking at your interactions more closely.

I have very little desire to put a lot of new work into this game, if I'm just gonna be lynched today. I have said pretty much all that needs to be said about what I've noticed, and yes, I could do a re-read, but I have very little interest in doing that either. I'm not much on the whole 'contribute a ton just before you are lynched in hopes that when you are lynched that town will come to their senses and kill the ones who pushed your lynch'.

I’m going to call Failed AtE as Lazy Town on this entire paragraph given that you shortly afterwards being yet another rhetoric driven “Lynch because I say so” campaign. I get the strong feeling you expected people to grasp onto this paragraph and say “Look, he’s frustrated Investigator, don’t lynch” and when no-one did you abandoned that plan.

Why would I try to save Furcolow if I was cult. Why. There is no reason.

Why would I call out Seacore out of the blue if I was cult. Why? Again, no reason.

Why would I do pretty much ANYTHING I've done this game, if I was cult?

If I was cult, I would know how the kill mechanism worked, so I wouldn't ask.

Look it’s a patented WIFOMBomb attempt from ReaperCharlie. First you ignore the fact that several of these questions have been answered. Second I know your love of WIFOM use when Scum. Not very convincing to me that you are Town seeing this.

I thought BabySpice was scummy earlier, yea.

No, you're missing the point. My whole post was written to show one thing.

More dodging from you. I really get sick of the whole routine from you. It doesn’t matter what your original point was. People ask you questions independent of those reason. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake immune to being held accountable.

@ xvart: Prove it? I believe I already proved it. And your motivation for lying? Hmmm… maybe because you're cult and don't have anything else you'd like to claim? i.e. crafting a fetish, etc. And I don't know what advantage you'd think you have, but I'm not in the cult so how could I know?

This is stupid reasoning. Why would Cult choose Ward, the action most easily discerned as faked after the fact, as opposed to say, I don’t know, Searching for equipment? I’d love to see an answer that wasn’t predicated on divering attention to anyone but yourself.

Why are you putting me and Seacore in the same category?

Are you saying that we're both TOWN?? If so, when did THAT change?

DERP. Because at that point you two were viable wagons?

No reasoning whatsoever. This is Triglav's whole post.

Ignoring the fact that Trig had repeatedly called for you to answer questions on multiple occasions and voted for you as a result of your inaction? Attempting to paint he vote scummy while ignoring previous statements? Scumtastic.

7. Magna doesn't like my case on Seacore, doesn't think I'm playing to my town meta according to past games he's played with me, doesn't like when he thinks I'm trying to play to my town meta just for the sake of playing to my town meta (say that three times fast), and overall just thinks I'm trying to take the center of attention and lead the town (like in Harry Potter where we were scum together).

I admit, Magna DOES have a few legitimate complaints with my play when others have rather hollow/contrived/reaching cases on me. But onwards.

What happened to Magna is scum with others for voting for you? Did you realize antagonizing me (like you did in Supernatural) is not a good move and thus attempted to reverse course?

Seroiusly I go from obv-scum for voting for you to “Magna DOES have a few legitimate complaints” in the span of what - 48 hours? Not Town at all.

Overall, I am 2-9-1 as town, and 4-2-0 as scum. The scum games I lost were because I made newbie mistakes in both of them. But I have had some terrible luck in playing some really, really bad town games. I wouldn't say they are all my fault that we lost, but at least one of them is (Powerful Wizard Mafia comes to mind. Dam# you, Andrius).

Appeal to Statistics noted. Your overall record has nothing to do with your competence as Scum or Town. Any player worth his salt generally has a worse Town record than Scum record (I know I do), Why? Because competent Town players are killed early while competent Scum players only have to worry about being lynched.

@Reaper -

I love that you've moved from Seacore is obvscum to xvart is ovbscum and now to Bowser is lurking obvscum. If you really believed any of those rhetoric fueled pushes I'm guessing you would have stuck with them.

b. MoI
Where has he been? As town he is very, very active in attacking/defending people. This game he has tried to imitate that, but he has been WAY LESS ACTIVE. likely cult here, too.

Where have I been? I have a life outside MS and was not able to post for ONE day and now I am lurking Cult? LOL

Your conclusions are as usual VI-tastic Furc.