Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Fate]

Which means that if I am Ritual Killed ON TOP of Ben's stalk+a rez tonight cult get Kill that DOESNT resolve in them being bloody, and Ben doesn't get 100% cleared.

I don't get this. Benmage targets you with Murder. Investigator A targets you with Rez, Cutlists 1, 2 and 3 target you with ritual.

As far as I can tell, you end up dead and Benmage, Investigator A and all three cultists end up bloody.

It CLEARLY says "if they were NOT murdered"

Mod: Hypothetical: A stalk is carried out, the person is resuciatated, and Cult Greater Rituals ON TOP OF IT. Does the cult get bloody because the person was technically not murdered? (he was saved from it) or do they not get bloody because the target was targeted with Murder?

[Seacore]

Regardless, your flip to you was hypothetical. I know what my flip would be. That was my answer, in sentence one. Did that go over your head?

Answer the question, how can you be confirmed in comparison to me? I can be confirmed. How are you helping the town? Quit dodging the real issue.

I'm trying to understand what you're talking about.
I asked you to consider what would happen if you successfully lead my lynch and then discovered, upon my death, that I was town. That has nothing to do with your flip being hypothetical. In this scenario, I'm accepting you as town also, and saying that you were wrong and now you have to re-evaluate.

I asked you this after you asked me what I would do when El Goo stays alive for two nights thus potentially proving your action.

So where does you knowing you're town come into it.

Secondly my flip to me is not hypothetical, I know I'm an investigator and I've chosen to be town.

Nowhere have I said I can be confirmed, except obviously upon my death. My argument is that you are also not confirmed, and cannot be. If, for example, you stalked El Gooski, you could simply hold off on killing them. Alternatively, perhaps you are cult and have crafted a fetish of them, well that could be used later. El Gooski staying alive does not confirm you.

someone trying to stalk him last night would have confirmed me

Of course, or somebody trying to fetish him.

Any potential murderers or cultists around that want to confess they couldn't succeed in their evil acts? Furc would really appreciate you clearing him and dooming yourself to a lynch.

[Seacore]

It'd be a nice change of pace.

First of all, lets not get crazy in calling these things "wagons", mines the largest at 6, but in a game where we need over a dozen votes, none of these are exactly run away trains.

But, semantics aside, the case on RC is basically threefold.

1) He's contradicted himself.

2) He keeps dodging questions about the contradiction, even in posts that are soley directed at him. One a page or so ago was right before his own post, I don't know how he can claim to have missed it.

3) He asked a "confused" question about how cultists work that a) should have been easy to check by going to the OP and b)involved a level of ignorance that is unlikely. In short, he claimed to believe cultists could just do ritual like a normal mafia NK, that the fetish was unrelated. This doesn't explain why there was no night kill N0. It just doesn't add up.

Personally, my vote on his is mainly for 2, but 3 feels mega guilty.

[Furcolow]

unvote

i'm going to have to do a serious re-read tomorrow and try to be objective
mark it at 5, now, seacore

[Seacore]

Which means that if I am Ritual Killed ON TOP of Ben's stalk+a rez tonight cult get Kill that DOESNT resolve in them being bloody, and Ben doesn't get 100% cleared.

I don't get this. Benmage targets you with Murder. Investigator A targets you with Rez, Cutlists 1, 2 and 3 target you with ritual.

As far as I can tell, you end up dead and Benmage, Investigator A and all three cultists end up bloody.

It CLEARLY says "if they were NOT murdered"

Mod: Hypothetical: A stalk is carried out, the person is resuciatated, and Cult Greater Rituals ON TOP OF IT. Does the cult get bloody because the person was technically not murdered? (he was saved from it) or do they not get bloody because the target was targeted with Murder?

I believe there is a difference from "the target of a murder action" and "murdered". I read the latter as when it actually results in the target's death. It doesnt' make much sense any other way.

[Seacore]

Mod: Hypothetical: A stalk is carried out, the person is resuciatated, and Cult Greater Rituals ON TOP OF IT. Does the cult get bloody because the person was technically not murdered? (he was saved from it) or do they not get bloody because the target was targeted with Murder?

Um, the action you're referring to isn't stalk, stalk is done the night before a murder. Stalk never results in somebody's death on it's own.

So I think your question should be

Mod: Hypothetical: A

murder

is carried out, the

target of that murder action

is resuciatated, and Cult

Rituals or

Greater Rituals ON TOP OF IT. Does the cult get bloody because the person was technically not murdered? (he was saved from it) or do they not get bloody because the target was targeted with Murder?

My understanding of it is the cult only get bloody from the ritual if
a) the ritual is the cause of a player's death
b) the player's death, from the ritual, is prevented by resucitation

[Seacore]

Actually, that's just reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask

Mod: Player A, B and C resucitate Player D. That night, Player D, obvious bastion of town that he is, is targeted by a murder and a greater ritual (without corpse dust).

Does he survive, since the one level of murder death, plus the two levels of greater ritual death are soaked by the resucitations? If there was corpse dust, would he die (by count of death)?
And in these cases, I'm assuming everybody would be bloody by the end of it.

[Baby Spice]

WHAT IS YOUR READ ON BENMAGE? TOWN/CULT
WHAT IS YOUR READ ON FATE? TOWN/CULT

May I answer instead not-cult and town respectively.

And it was me who asked you about your bowser comments. It wasn't exactly clear.

[Percy]

The only time a

Cultist

who selects

Participate in the Ritual

avoids becoming

Bloody

is when the target of

The Ritual

dies due to a successful

Murder

attempt.

If there are at least as many people targeting the player with

Resuscitate

as

Murder

, all

Murder

attempts fail. When assessing whether

The Ritual

is successful (which I only do if the target is not

Murdered

), I use the formula:

1, +1 if it is a

Greater Ritual

, +1 if the

Cultists

use

Corpse Dust

, +1 for each

Murder

attempt, -1 for each

Resuscitate

.

If the number is positive, the target dies. If it's 0 or negative, the target survives.

tl;dr

Resuscitate

actions must cancel

The Ritual

,

Corpse Dust

,

Greater Ritual

and all

Murder

attempts.

[ReaperCharlie]

So if a target is murdered at the same time as the cult performs a (non-greater) ritual, none of the cult get bloody?

f*ck.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't want to move away from Bowser just yet; but Reaper, why did you post that as a question instead of looking back at the rules?

Because I already read the rules, and still misunderstood this. Plus, I'm pretty lazy. I thought you could tell

Also... Seacore, stfu. You are cult and trying to attach a WIFOMspiral to my innocent question. SCREW YOU

[Seacore]

I don't want to move away from Bowser just yet; but Reaper, why did you post that as a question instead of looking back at the rules?

Because I already read the rules, and still misunderstood this. Plus, I'm pretty lazy. I thought you could tell

Also... Seacore, stfu. You are cult and trying to attach a WIFOMspiral to my innocent question. SCREW YOU

So, you're still not going to answer the questions we've asked?

[VasudeVa]

I think you're missing the point that overall, furcolow's posts have been extremely useful to us in a number of ways. And that is something that scum would obviously want to shut up (or shut down, but now we're arguing directions...)

Do you disagree?

Yes I disagree. No it hasn't been useful. What was useful were people's reactions TO furcolow's posts. His posts are arguably useless in themselves. And I argued that it was shooting down Town morale because he was pissing multiple people off.

If you can point to the indications that my pursuit of Furc was faked then do so. Otherwise you are just throwing rhetoric. Hey I can do that to –

I’m seeing clear signs that VV is Cult faking his scumhunting. He just doesn’t seem like the VV I’ve seen before.

See how useless that is? And care to point to a specific game where you saw my Town-aggression? Because I don’t think we’ve played in many games together if my memory serves.

Sure I can!
ISO #0: You attacked Furcolow because he was a potential problem. I really disliked this because I see you as a player who likes to read people, not just
ISO #4: You're saying that Furc is Cult fakeclaiming ward on a Craft Fetish target. Horrible attack. Ward protects someone who was CF'd, therefore no Fetish will be made. This reads to me that you're just saying this to make your vote seem justifiable.
ISO #9 and #10: Some shit about El Goo and timestamps. More horribadness, to make Furcolow implode, thinking that you can get away with such horrible fluff attacks that really don't mean anything.

You know, stuff.
Sort of Town game
Real Town game

I like to stalk people. I was arguing here that your vote of AV didn't seem like you. I'm not so sure about AV's alignment, but this vote was just about as lazy as you can get: Hide a vote in a wall. You have mentioned AV twice in your vote post and you didn't even bother to say more than 'Your response is underwhelming' and 'I agree with SpyreX'.

1. So vote-hopping is inherently scummy?
2A. If Yes why aren’t you also calling to task any number of the other players who have made similar votes?
2B. If NO it is not how am I scummy for it?
2C. If the answer is ‘It Depends’ vote yourself as you are a terrible fake-scumhunter and thus Cult.

1. Nope!
2B. I disliked HOW you voted for AV because it was super lazy + your fake attacks on Furc.

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In other news, I share the opinion that RC is scum but I wanna follow up on MoIScum here first~. RC feels like he's enjoying the game too much and is attempting to lead the Town. This is not TownRC. TownRC doesn't even bother. (Isn't that right Fate~?). He is also trying so hard to get some Town points by making horrible attacks on a lot of people. In fact, I'm surprised that very few people are seeing it. (I'll try to get to this soon, but I has to go fer now. Expect it in my next post.)

[ReaperCharlie]

Whoever is calling me scummy, i.e. Seacore, Vas, Magna, (& Co.?), SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS.

WHAT HAVE I DONE THAT IS SCUMMY THIS ENTIRE GAME.

OOHHHHHH WAIT THATS RIGHT.

YOU IDIOTS.

[nopointinactingup]

At page 22 and unable to go any further due to sustaining severe brain damage xD.
My thoughts in a not-so-wall-like manner:

Banned Sanities:

Hallucination.
Suicidal.
Psychopathy.
Paranoid.

Fate/Benmage ordeal

Not a lot of things from there. Benmage is likely an anti-town town. Fate is a null. Benmage should continue his kill tonight.

Con"Fur"med Town

There is no way Furcolow could have fabricated that whole thing. I'm considering him confirmed investigator. People pushing for his lynch with Percy's rhetoric looks bad, namely Magna, Lost Butterfly, Seascore, Babyspice. Percy as the mod clearly had to be objective and be careful not to clear/incriminate anyone with his posts. So I bet he thought Drippellibereth had clear intention refering to El Goosuki. There's definitely some scums on the Fur wagon. And notice as soon as Magna left the wagon a whole bunch of other people jumped off despite their former insistence.

Vote:Seascore

[nopointinactingup]

EWBOP: Reading further, gimme a day, or two ..

[Seacore]

Whoever is calling me scummy, i.e. Seacore, Vas, Magna, (& Co.?), SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS.

WHAT HAVE I DONE THAT IS SCUMMY THIS ENTIRE GAME.

OOHHHHHH WAIT THATS RIGHT.

YOU IDIOTS.

Answer the question that has been asked for you. Explain your contradiction. Why do you keep avoiding it?

[VasudeVa]

Vote: ReaperCharles

Apparently, I missed some stuff over the last pages. Add those seacorian stuff to my vote and this:

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ReaperCharles: Manipulative little S.O.B.

I've been watching RC play for a while now, and he's been giving me terrible terrible vibes. Like, horrible ones. First off, meta wise: This guy is extremely Lazy as Town. Seriously. However, as scum, he's just a happy little butterfly~

However that's not the meat of this, he's been attempting to gain 'Town Points' that he doesn't deserve by either attacking people or shouting 'I'm TOWN YEAHh.'. Seriously, check them out:

^scummy

Has absolutely no bearing in the game. If all of furc's posts are scumhunting and valid discussion, then I welcome each and every single post. At this point I would throw myself in front of a bullet for furc.

GTFO VAS AND TAKE YOUR BADGER FRIENDS WITH YOU.

This one is the first one that really got my attention. I was telling Furc to stop spamming the thread, and he calls me out as scum for it. Not only are there multiple other people who were RAGING at Furc for the spam, but then he proceeds to make out a 'I welcome each and every single post' in an attempt to get Town points.

Makes sense. But this post gives me the willies. Bad willies.

It sounds like hito is fishing, trying to say "lets pick a really TOWN townie... wink wink ME derp"
But he doesn't actually SAY it outright, meaning he's waiting for somebody else to suggest that he do it.

Which is exactly what I thought when I read it:
- Why don't we just have you do it, Hito?
- OH WAIT. WHY DIDNT YOU JUST SUGGEST YOURSELF? HMMMM
- OMFG THIS MOFO MIGHT JUST BE REALLY SMART SCUM. sooo

Very Reluctant FoS (which will probably earn me a few tomatoes in the face): hitorogoshi


And now, of course, I MYSELF volunteer to be the one to rob the graves.

This is actually the gravest of them all. I'm surprised people missed this actually. He dares attack obvTown hito by saying that 'volunteer fishing' is scummy. However, he had the brass balls to actually

volunteer

for the slot of Town Graverobber when he just called out hito for volunteer fishing. The is is just super scummy hyporcisy. He's probably cult-relegated corpse dust fisher or something.

Addendum: He keeps repeating how Town he is because he's the "SHINING BEACON OF TOWNIENESS" to himself, but he never really earned that did he? Other people like say, Hito did. But RC? Nah. I think that this is somewhat of a slip of his true intentions. He keeps repeating it even if he never earned it so that the thought gets hammered into our heads.

Seriously, this guy is getting away with this BS because of the above average number of words/page in this game. In a game with the average number of words/page, the stuff he's been doing is inexcusable especially ISO #46. In fact, that alone EASILY earns him the the rope for today, and I'm not even counting whatever case they're talking about up there.

[VP Baltar]

Sorry all, I'm pages behind because I had to work yesterday. This game is at the top of my update list though, so I'm hoping I can get something here by this evening if the page explosion isn't too crazy.

[AurorusVox]

So I was re-reading the last few pages to keep my vote count checked up, and I noticed this;

All three of us have no idea what's going on.
We really need a summary.
Yeah.

Your vote needs to move from AV to Lost Butterfly because of scummy reactions to accusations on Hydra dissonance.
Yeah.

So El G has been asking for a summary for ages, not even trying to read the thread itself. And here is Fate giving El G a clear instruction and a reason for a vote - but, no, El G maintains its vote on me for having a yellow avatar. El G has been so desperate to be told what to do, and when it's ACTUALLY told what to do -- it doesn't do it. Oh, and look, the next post from El G is:

MINA!!!
I STILL LOVE READING YOUR POSTS.
COULD YOU BE AWESOME AND PUT A GAME SUMMARY WALL FOR ME
THANKS!!!!

ElG / LB scumteam, anyone?

Vote: ElGoosuki

Read the thread yourself or ask to get replaced. You're a dead weight for town, but worse than that, you're purposefully not giving anyone any information to work with. You're intentionally playing your vote down as random, to not take responsibility for reasoning on it. I wouldn't be surprised if you voted for Seacore or ReaperCharlie soon.

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In other news, Seacore is looking townier in his responses. I doubt scum would still continue to beat the Furc issue, when 99% of people agree that Furc is town. I also like his summary of the RC wagon. I'm going to ISO RC and then I may hitch a ride, but I want

some

content from El G at least before the day is over.

I'm trying to understand what you're talking about.
I asked you to consider what would happen if you successfully lead my lynch and then discovered, upon my death, that I was town.

What he's saying is that you framed the question like this...

what would happen if [...] I was town.

Furc is arguing that if you really were town, your question would have been "

when

you discover, upon my death, that I was town." You mean "if" as related to the "if you successfully lead my lynch" but Furc reads it as "if I was town" like I showed above.

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And and by the way, MoI, if you missed it, I responded to your post but it got screwed by the timewarp, and is currently post #969/#970. You can either go back to page 39 to read it, or look at my ISO.

[VasudeVa]

Hey AV! While you're here, care to comment on my case on ReaperCharles?

[AurorusVox]

I can see what you mean about ISO#38, but I disagree with your analysis of

why

ISO#46 is scummy. If his #46 has scummy motivations, I don't think it's what you're seeing, because he called Hito scummy for IMPLYING he wanted to volunteer rather than saying it explicitly himself, i.e. he's accusing Hito of trying to allow someone else to suggest it to avoid seeming suspicious. If it's scum motivated, then he's explicitly volunteering himself in order to not be accused of hypocrisy - he hasn't acted hypocritically.

I say "if it has" because I'm not sure how serious he was about putting himself forwards.

As for him being manipulative...now that you mention it, I'm worried that he got on board with my Baby Spice vote in order to manipulate me into thinking he was town. What I mean is, at the time, I was under a lot of pressure from SpyreX, and when RC said "this post is win" it made me pretty pleased that someone had seen something good that I had done and I hadn't considered that scum would do that (my thought being scum would fuel my mislynch). But if he's scum, then by that action alone, he definitely got me on his side until now.

[El Goosuki]

Vote: ElGoosuki

I wouldn't be surprised if you voted for Seacore or ReaperCharlie soon.

NO way! I already said (maybe even twice!) that we're not voting Seacore. ReaperCharlie is another thing.

Also, there is a method to my madness. Maybe.

-DGB

[ReaperCharlie]

At page 22 and unable to go any further due to sustaining severe brain damage xD.
My thoughts in a not-so-wall-like manner:

Banned Sanities:

Hallucination.
Suicidal.
Psychopathy.
Paranoid.

Fate/Benmage ordeal

Not a lot of things from there. Benmage is likely an anti-town town. Fate is a null. Benmage should continue his kill tonight.

Con"Fur"med Town

There is no way Furcolow could have fabricated that whole thing. I'm considering him confirmed investigator. People pushing for his lynch with Percy's rhetoric looks bad, namely Magna, Lost Butterfly, Seascore, Babyspice. Percy as the mod clearly had to be objective and be careful not to clear/incriminate anyone with his posts. So I bet he thought Drippellibereth had clear intention refering to El Goosuki. There's definitely some scums on the Fur wagon. And notice as soon as Magna left the wagon a whole bunch of other people jumped off despite their former insistence.

Vote:Seascore

Love this guy. This post drips town.
He appears to be a good pick for the Alliance.

@ Vas: ROFL. You are telling me I am trying to win town points of the Furcolow situation? LOL

MAYBE YOU MISSED WHERE I SAID (ON PAGE F*@$ING THREE, MIGHT I ADD):

I just want to say that

just once

, I would like to see furcolow NOT lynched on Day 1.

He is often a valuable asset to the town if left alive. Not to mention an unlikely nightkill.

Sooooo as a personal request I would like you guys to unvote him. It's just his style.

eh???

OH YEAH HERP DERP REAPER. SRYZ BRO


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AND WHAT ABOUT THIS:

Seacore's post #120 is quite juicy and was begging me to sink my teeth into it:

Is there a way to filter Benmage and Fate out from all the other posts?

trying to play the annoyed townie.

In other news, anybody who things I'm cult

with Fate just because I disbelieve Benmage has perfect meta

is a moron.

SEACORE IS SCUM. CULT. WHATEVER. HE NEEDS TO GO.

Unvote; Vote SEACORE.

1. PLAYING TO TOWN'S "ENOUGH FATE/BENMAGE ALREADY" EMOTIONS
2. CALLING ANYBODY THINKING HE'S SCUM (WITH FATE) A MORON (SUPER WIFOM SANDWICH)

WHAT THE @#$^ DO YOU THINK OF THAT, VAS?

A LITTLE BIT OF CHAINSAW BECAUSE I'M ATTACKING YOUR SCUMBUDDY AND STARTING A (POPULAR, MIGHT I ADD) WAGON ON HIM?

[ReaperCharlie]

AND

WHAT

QUESTIONS AM I SUPPOSEDLY IGNORING? COPY PASTE THEM HERE I AM MUCH TOO LAZY TO LOOK FOR THEM.