Heard this before, never got it.Ice cream wrote:I don't like Bowser's FoS, it's increda-pointless in the RVS.
From my experience it's pretty even...and from the whole earlier VI thing: methinks VI's are fun to read.Mr. Smith wrote: I think people who act like a VI (like BV311) are scum.
I thought it was pretty clear. When you say in the middle of an argument "I don't like this recent post from side B. I'll be watching this, no more comment for now." it doesn't come across to me as stemming from "A vs. B is probably town-town, but I don't want to take sides/taint this exchange."IceCream wrote:Clarify. Now.
TomAndJerry wrote:Not going to fly, first off both you and your partner who you claim is not very active was here for the two of you to collaborate on your RQS answers which is odd in itself.Pineapple (168) wrote:One of us thinks the RVS is better, the other thinks that RQS is better. And since my other head doesnt seem to be very active, we didnt really get much chance to discuss it. I personally prefer RVS though. However, the game is beyond that point.
we each made one post in the QT answering the questions and i threw them together to make the post. since then he has made only one post in the QT which was him agreeing with my thoughts on the useless meta discussion. he hasnt said anything since, even though i've given my thoughts on scum and such
Second it doesn't make sense for you as an individual not to scum hunt because you've posted multiple times in first person (I).i never said that i'm not scum hunting.
In post #168 you spent some effort commenting towards FourTigers however you did not display the same effort for your vote. Why the lack of explanation?
PP's "RVS" vote/unvote was anti-town because it was fairly obvious from the post that he was aware of what had been going on in the thread, but chose to ignore it. the head fakeclaim is just a plain bad move. also, in addition he is fence-sitting after his reread. and he posted acknowledging that name-claiming is beneficial to the town(in his eyes) yet refuses to do so anyway. he has done nothing so far to attempt to dissuade my belief that he is acting in a way against the town.
~Tom
There is a large gap between being a VI and acting like one.Professor Paradox wrote:From my experience it's pretty even...and from the whole earlier VI thing: methinks VI's are fun to read.Mr. Smith wrote: I think people who act like a VI (like BV311) are scum.
If I was acting like a robocopter here, just telling people I had no reads and hmm, well I did have some fun here and there, then I would want you to vote me. Every scum would gladly accept all the benefits that come from being seen as a VI. You can basically do anything. I really can't see how acting like a VI is town.Professor Paradox wrote:I know, the latter half was to a different think.
As in people who are acting like VI are about even.
1. Yes, and either way I don't see the scum motivation in doing that.Mr. Smith wrote:1. You cannot be sure that the vote and the FoS were from different heads. Even if they are, they are still the same player and should pay attention to what each other are saying.
2. bv311 is acting like a VI but that doesn't make him scum. Like I've already said, PP or Bowser are by far the best lynches for today.
3. Ask yourself this: How does fakenameclaiming help the town, in any way? Now ask yourself this: Also, you completely ignored what was being said in that last quote - they are still the same player, regardless of their individual personalities.
CSL is pretty easy to read, if you know who he is. Otherwise, he's lynchbait.Tom wrote:VI's have the same exact chance of being scum, are there any notable VI's that you think we should all look out for in this game?
Lets take the quote with it, so everyone knows what we are talking about. Pacman is playing the innocent guy here. "I warned him, but..." is only there to make sure we know he is the good guy. And then the random vote 6 pages into the game. Lastly, his last line shows that he has only skimmed the game until then, as he only knows that crab and I argued a lot.Professor Paradox wrote:pacman here.What can I say... my other idiotic head decided it would be fun to fakeclaim its head.Mr Smith wrote:Tom's early attack on PP earlier that made him look scummy before now makes him look obvtown.
And PP needs to explain why he's lying about his nameclaim.
I just decided to follow through. I warned him, but...
Other head is slightly pissed at the fact the consequences weren't as hilarious as expected. lol.
I don't know if my other head will claim again or not. It's his choice.
OH WAI RVS ALREADY? WAIT FOR MEEH!!!
Vote: Pineapplebecause fruits are tasty.
Currently re-re-reading. Lots of discussion between CC and Mr Smith there. Heh.
Crab Canon wrote:Pineapple wrote:you misunderstand. we do need to scum hunt.I realize we need to scumhunt. My point is that you were making excuses about why you couldn't scumhunt yet by saying that other people needed to first. Then I asked if this was a prerequisite to your scumhunting and you said no. I don't understand why you needed other people to scum hunt first then. You said that the meta discussion was getting in the way of your scumhunting, why is that?
Regardless of whether you were quoted out of context or not the quote tampering you did to ‘prove your point’ isn’t a valid parallel. You should have simply presented the quote to show how it was taken out of context.Bowser wrote:Will it help you to read the thread? They still quoted us out of context.
I know you probably have some personal tell related to Sotty that is driving this but do you really expect any answer other than ‘No’?CrabCanon wrote:Also, repeating: SOTTY7. HI. ARE YOU SCUM?
(you know we'll find out sooner or later in which hydra you are anyway.)
No, it’s not. It is a quite logical thought process. Care to throw in a ‘NO U’ while you are at it if you are making pointless rhetorical statements?CrabCanon wrote:This is really really stupid.
BZTTT … incorrect. From a scum perspective they know their own members and thus know what players out there are most likely to be dangerous to them. As an example – Sotty was able to more or less nail Zachrulez in /invitiational 8 simply because she knew his playstyle so well. Scum are going to know those players who can read them as scum the best, if those players exist in the game. So going for a full name-claim lays the information out there.CrabCanon wrote:And this is contradictory to it - cancels out the alleged strong scum motive for finding out "dangerous players".
Then why are you instead playing a very passive, reactionary game?Pineapple wrote:you misunderstand. we do need to scum hunt.
You don’t have to say you aren’t – your ISO reveals that you aren’t.Pineapple wrote:i never said that i'm not scum hunting.
Your scumdar is in need of maintenance. The issue is not the questions. The issue is that in the post the questions were asked T&J did not answer them. It leads to two options –IceCream wrote:My scumdar is pinging. Why is him asking the questions scummy?
Those hypocritical scumbags! Quality post, btw.MasterSpy wrote:Logically Town players who were strongly for outing of heads should see PP’s actions as equally Anti-Town / Scummy.
Those players who have expressed that Mass Name Claiming is the way to go and those not doing so are Anti-Town / Scummy -
CrabCanon, FourTigers, Faranor
What was those Hydra’s reaction to the revelation that PP fake-claimed a Name?
FourTigers – reaction was to defend self from T&J’s attack and question why a Fakenameclaim is a Scumtell.
Faranor – Similar reaction to FourTigers – wonders why fakenameclaiming is a scum-tell.
CrabCanon – Says not much, other than to perhaps dismiss it as worthy of conversation since it was Elli doing his regular pointless play.
I’m not seeing consistency in any of these opinions. Will have to look more closely.
what makes you think that?Professor Paradox wrote:Chimaira is town.
Asking people if they are scum is usually game-start garbage, but this is the one person where I've seen someone ask the question give a decent early read to me. Obviously you get a negative; obviously Sotty isn't answering (and I think this discussion interferes with the observation enough to nullify the answer anyway.).Spy wrote:I know you probably have some personal tell related to Sotty that is driving this but do you really expect any answer other than ‘No’?
My whole point was that you keep saying advocating nameclaiming has a strong scum motivation despite your own examples including quite strongly the flipside of town motivation.Spy wrote:BZTTT … incorrect. From a scum perspective they know their own members and thus know what players out there are most likely to be dangerous to them. As an example –Sotty was able to more or less nail Zachrulez in /invitiational 8 simply because she knew his playstyle so well. Scum are going to know those players who can read them as scum the best, if those players exist in the game. So going for a full name-claim lays the information out there.
A Town protective role, on the other hand, has no inside knowledge. God forbid if they choose to defend a ‘Vet’ Hydra based on being the heads being vets as opposed to Town play and that Hydra is Mafia.
From my part, I see mostly "lulz" motivation rather than either scum or town. This was not something designed to be a long-standing deception to mess with meta or so, I don't see how it wouldn't very probably come out very soon.Spy wrote:CrabCanon – Says not much, other than to perhaps dismiss it as worthy of conversation since it was Elli doing his regular pointless play.
The last line of one of you're earlier posts where you said you had no reads or something, I'll go find it.Chimaira wrote:I am not going to nameclaim. For me the fun of the game is not knowing each other.
but there is absolutely no town reason I could see for fakeclaiming. the only times I have seen someone fakeclaim something (I'm not talking about roles here, of course) they were scum.
what makes you think that?Professor Paradox wrote:Chimaira is town.
I also think PP's "town-tells" in posts 172/173 are scummy. I see no reason town would go and call three people town like that, except in a sort of find-scum-by-elimination-thing.
VOTE: Professor Paradox
Actually I defended my stance that a massnameclaim was a good thing, stating that a dozen one liners in not something that one can draw meta from. TAJ was using the fakeclaim to show that nameclaim was a bad idea, but I still say that nameclaim is the best possible thing for this game, and support this with not only the meta stance, but also the fact that the only time I have seen a hydra refuse to claim names they were scum.MasterSpy wrote:FourTigers – reaction was to defend self from T&J’s attack and question why a Fakenameclaim is a Scumtell.
Here is where you logic fail ironically. Yes I do see the fakenameclaim as very anti-town and counterproductive, but I acutally see it as a slight town tell. This is something that will serve zero benifit for scum, infact it would probably cause damage given that Lat has a distinct town meta that would be very difficult to duplicate. When Lat will also counter, it simply is going to cause quite a bit of negative attention to circulate around that slot, which never will really go away throughout the entire game, leaving him with a small black mark for the entire game. In a game where scum will essentially have at least four players, more likely six, someone would try and talk him out of doing something like that.Logically Town players who were strongly for outing of heads should see PP’s actions as equally Anti-Town / Scummy.
Those players who have expressed that Mass Name Claiming is the way to go and those not doing so are Anti-Town / Scummy
First line is correct, decided to do this before we got role.I wouldn't put it past Ellibereth to do something silly like that as scum, to be honest.
However, both me and myko think that PP's 2nd head is not Ellibereth, and the head is lying AGAIN.