Mini 1054/The Illusion - Creation (Over)

[TonyMontana]

Also, if just as many lurkers are town as they are scum, that would make it a huge scumtell. 50-50 chances don't come by everyday.

[Zang]

About 49%

This proves what i've been saying

Animorpher's posts

Only 5 of those posts on the first page were in mafia games. Of those 5 posts almost none had any actual content. And he wasn't just in the two games those posts were in. I've found about 7 games that he was in and there are probably more.

Facts are stubborn things, hard to argue with. 22nd was when I pointed it out. I was supposed to predict that it would be the last day he posted? Or did you know he was never coming back 2 days later?

What?

And are we missing the point here, shouldn't someone call the cops or something, i mean the guy has a 4 post per day average for christ sake

The amount of posts per day is not accurate. It's a ratio of posts over the amount of time he's been on the site. Ani's been on the site for about 2 years so if he was very active his first few months, it would balance out his low activity the last few months.

Here's what you said:
Lurkers are not often scum.

These words do not argue it's a nulltell.

Actually it does. In my games about 75% of lurkers are town. But that's just enough for it to still be a nulltell because if someone is lurking than you can't tell if they're part of the town lurkers or scum lurkers.

In any case, why are we fighting, I'm much more interested in having you join my GhostWriter campaign.

What is your case on GhostWriter? The only thing I see is that he changed the reasons for his vote on you from random to a gut read. I don't think that is enough to vote for.

Also, if just as many lurkers are town as they are scum, that would make it a huge scumtell. 50-50 chances don't come by everyday.

What? How is it a huge scumtell if it is a 50-50 chance?

[Chronopie]

If lurking is 50-50, and there are fewer scum in a game as a whole, then disproportionate numbers of lurkers are scum?

i.e; 20 player game, 4 scum (1 in 5) i.e 20% chance of scum. 6 lurkers, 50-50 split means 3 of 6 are scum i.e 50% chance of scum. So a scumtell?

[Chronopie]

Problem is when lurkers > 50% of playerbase > # of scum.

[TonyMontana]

Undisputable: Animorpher was still active when I said he was active.

Disputable: Lurking is a scumtell.

I'm willing to drop both discussions for the time being.

What is your case on GhostWriter? The only thing I see is that he changed the reasons for his vote on you from random to a gut read. I don't think that is enough to vote for.

1) What a horrible misrepresentation of my assessments of GW.
2) What are your reasons for voting me?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm lost on where this lurker discussion is going. Or where the 50% is coming from. I AM getting the feeling TM is not the play though.

[GhostWriter]

Oh, I highly doubt he is, but it does get nice reactions from him.

[UncertainKitten]

We could still lynch xvart. Isn't it convenient he hasn't said a word since the focus went on Tony?

[GhostWriter]

Here, this seems like a fun idea: VOTE: Xvart.

Preview Edit: Don't ninja me.

[xvart]

We could still lynch xvart. Isn't it convenient he hasn't said a word since the focus went on Tony?

lol. I'll post tonight. I have been reading along but I'm fairly lost and keep trying to type something out but I don't have a clue what the hell the lurker discussion. Certainly don't lynch me without letting me respond, first.

xvart.

[UncertainKitten]

Lookin' forward to it xbro.

[Zang]

If lurking is 50-50, and there are fewer scum in a game as a whole, then disproportionate numbers of lurkers are scum?

i.e; 20 player game, 4 scum (1 in 5) i.e 20% chance of scum. 6 lurkers, 50-50 split means 3 of 6 are scum i.e 50% chance of scum. So a scumtell?

No, overall 50% of lurkers are scum. In one specific game there could be 1 scum lurker or 5 scum lurkers but it's balanced out with a different game that has 1 town lurker or 5 town lurkers.

Undisputable: Animorpher was still active when I said he was active.

Disputable: Lurking is a scumtell.

We could keep going back and forth with this, of all the games I've seen with ani in it (at the time of your post), he was only active in 1. 

1) What a horrible misrepresentation of my assessments of GW.
2) What are your reasons for voting me?

1. Ok, why is it a horrible assessment? Can you provide more to why he is scum?
2. Basically, because your the only person I don't think of as neutral/town.

[xvart]

UK: Did you replace in at the beginning of D2?

First off, I voted Zang for claiming that lurkers were town, not for being lurker. In any case, It's beside the point, as the vote was mostly RVS fun.

Secondly, what part of the waiting for Ani to bus needed to be genuine?

My apologies on the first part. When you voted Zang and then said "because lurkers are often scum" I read it as you saying Zang was lurking and that is why you were voting him. As for the second part, I suppose you are correct that it doesn't necessarily have to be genuine, but the fact that you made the statement twice makes me wonder.

Here, this seems like a fun idea: VOTE: Xvart.

Preview Edit: Don't ninja me.

GW seems a little too eager to be on any wagon right now. Since UK has essentially given the impression that she is not convinced I am scum and GW is just willing to go along with the fun idea...

Vote: GhostWriter

I also saw no responses to my inquiry about when we should call no more scum. I will also ask what people think about mass claiming now? We didn't have a NK last night so one of the following must have occurred: scum don't have access to NK ability or Ani was scum with a NK ability but did not use it due to not being in the game or scum thought they could play more mind games with the small numbers and the game setup by not killing. If there is no NK then I don't see the harm of mass claiming. Thoughts?

xvart.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, I replaced in start of D2.

What's this about calling no scum? Did I miss something?

[xvart]

Wild Setupberries (MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PREVIOUS!):

13) This game was designed based on a random design principle. All roles have been chosen randomly from a list of 24 possible roles. Vanilla is on the list thrice.
14) Alignments have been assigned to roles randomly. Everyone has been given a 1 in 3 chance of being mafia.

15) If there is no mafia in the game, the game will go on until it can no longer continue.

16) If the game would have more than 2 mafia, the mafia has been split into factions which may or may not include serial killers.
17) Any mafia consisting of at least 2 does not have a kill unless they have drawn a killing role.

18) If at any point after day 1 the town feels that there is no mafia within the game, they may vote to end the experiment. If there are any anti-town forces still alive at that point, the town loses.

[GhostWriter]

GW seems a little eager to use his vote to cause you to react. Perhaps if you had stepped into the game before I placed the vote it wouldn't have been placed. Actually, if you had stepped into the game to comment on TM before I made the vote, it would have went elsewhere because I'd have already had you in here talking.

[xvart]

GW seems a little eager to use his vote to cause you to react. Perhaps if you had stepped into the game before I placed the vote it wouldn't have been placed. Actually, if you had stepped into the game to comment on TM before I made the vote, it would have went elsewhere because I'd have already had you in here talking.

What? I don't understand anything you claim to have done.

xvart.

[TonyMontana]

If i understand it correctly, there's no upside to calling the game off.

I mean, do we lose if we play the game out to find there is no scum?

[TonyMontana]

I also saw no responses to my inquiry about when we should call no more scum. I will also ask what people think about mass claiming now? We didn't have a NK last night so one of the following must have occurred: scum don't have access to NK ability or Ani was scum with a NK ability but did not use it due to not being in the game or scum thought they could play more mind games with the small numbers and the game setup by not killing. If there is no NK then I don't see the harm of mass claiming. Thoughts?

xvart.

If the scum deliberately held back their kill, it could be to either make a calloff more likely, or to then suggest that a massclaim would be harmless, thus get access to all info by the next night.

I'm not suggesting it's likely, but I'd rather lynch GW today, and save MC for tomorrow.

[Chronopie]

If i understand it correctly, there's no upside to calling the game off.

I mean, do we lose if we play the game out to find there is no scum?

15) If there is no mafia in the game, the game will go on until it can no longer continue.
18) If at any point after day 1 the town feels that there is no mafia within the game, they may vote to end the experiment.

If there are any anti-town forces still alive at that point, the town loses.

So we play on. No downside to playing.

VOTE: GW in the interest of moving forward.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, I don't see any upside to calling things off...

[TonyMontana]

What point? All I'm seeing it you claiming that you did it for reactions, and then backtracking and saying it was for jokes the whole time after he beat down that idea.

This is GW justifying his vote for gandalf.

I could call it irony, but I'd rather call it yet another reason why GW should be todays lynch.

[GhostWriter]

I believe now is the time for me to explain the obvious change in my playstyle to the erratic antics I've been doing. My claim is The Tightrope Walker. As the Tightrope Walker, it is in my best interest to maintain my balance. And lynching me upsets that and sends me into the Gap. However, the hammer on that lynch must come out to knock me in, and I take them with me. In short, my hammer will die with me. Thus, me not being too worried about seeming scummy whilst looking for discussion. I can judge my own building wagon and see if I see any scum on it, and then ask them to be my hammer.

[TonyMontana]

unvote: GhostWriter

Not because I believe you, I just wanna be the hammer.

[TonyMontana]

To be clear, this is not me tunneling, I actually really don't believe that claim, and I'm willing to stake my life on it.