Mini 1055 - Return to PEGBAM (Closing Time!)

[Porochaz]

I like the irony from the person who gets overly aggressive or flakes out a large majority of his games.

[JDodge]

JD: I got a free day tomorrow. I'll look over the scot case then. If it's just that he killed mbf then I'm not really convinced; mbf was all else aside being pretty useless. If he was scum looking for a kill, why not go after you, or maybe ghostwriter (who I have as 80% confirmed in my mind)?

It's not that he killed mbf; it's his responses in this line of questioning that scare the everloving shit out of me.

I have GhostWriter and Panzer as 90% confirmed; what do you think on the latter?

[JDodge]

I like the irony from the person who gets overly aggressive or flakes out a large majority of his games.

oh

snap

[Flava Flave]

I agree that Flava Flave needs to be put on the grill. Flava, again, why did unvote MBF, while still pushing his case?

VOTE: Flava Flave

JDodge gave us a list to choose from. He also said he wouldn't execute MBF.

[JDodge]

I agree that Flava Flave needs to be put on the grill. Flava, again, why did unvote MBF, while still pushing his case?

VOTE: Flava Flave

JDodge gave us a list to choose from. He also said he wouldn't execute MBF.

you got replaced, stop posting

Shanba: Who do you think is a better alternative to scot? I'm thinking Prozac (because I want to see some contribution from myk before we go any further on that, and I believe we have enough time).

[Flava Flave]

Flameaxe/mykonian, is there a chance I could have the spot back?

[JDodge]

Flameaxe/mykonian, is there a chance I could have the spot back?

i say no because this will further disrupt the flow of the game as well as bringing back in someone who has proven to flake, thus causing unnecessary harm to whatever side it may be

[Flava Flave]

beibeing busy for a week isn't flaking.

[Shanba]

JD: I got a free day tomorrow. I'll look over the scot case then. If it's just that he killed mbf then I'm not really convinced; mbf was all else aside being pretty useless. If he was scum looking for a kill, why not go after you, or maybe ghostwriter (who I have as 80% confirmed in my mind)?

It's not that he killed mbf; it's his responses in this line of questioning that scare the everloving shit out of me.

I have GhostWriter and Panzer as 90% confirmed; what do you think on the latter?

I don't have him as confirmed at all.

Hrmf, I don't get why you do either. Is it because him attacking mbf's thing is what you'd expect him to do as town? Maybe I'm gibing him too much credit, but he was never a moron, just occasionally dimwitted and did some silly shit that got him flamed, but I still would expect him to pick up that that was a joke. Plus he's one of the worst of the worst when it comes to passivity.

Enlighten me, what am I missing?

And I actually went back and read the last few pages properly. Scot wow. The brittany spears thing was super obv a joke, and the fact that he claimed your role should have made that obvious. Plus, the way he claimed looked like an attempt to wriggle away from suspicion rather than something genuine.

Oh, and scot? You were able to make two actions last night?

Prozac is a decent wagon, JD, though I confess to being practically unable to read him in general. I can't tell flakerish lurky town prozac from flakerish lurky scum prozac. But beating some answers out of him is a good place to start. I want flava flave dead as I think he's done some legit scummy stuff this game instead of just misreading/lurking which is what I have on p. much anyone else.

[Porochaz]

Your recently revised reading on me is something Im going to have to change back. As for JDodge, Im just going to let him do his thing until someone else comes along and pisses him off. I would be very iffy to disbelieve Scots claim in a BBM/Oman game. I fully expect there to be a NK immune Millar Vig. I feel Panzer made his want to lynch scot too strongly for my tastes, along with what I feel is a very "coasting" attitude and 5 posts.

vote Panzer

I also want to look through JDodge when I can build my enthusiasm up enough and when I dont feel pissed off at him.

[JDodge]

Your recently revised reading on me is something Im going to have to change back. As for JDodge, Im just going to let him do his thing until someone else comes along and pisses him off. I would be very iffy to disbelieve Scots claim in a BBM/Oman game. I fully expect there to be a NK immune Millar Vig. I feel Panzer made his want to lynch scot too strongly for my tastes, along with what I feel is a very "coasting" attitude and 5 posts.

vote Panzer

I also want to look through JDodge when I can build my enthusiasm up enough and when I dont feel pissed off at him.

So your point is completely (and this is the first point you've made all game aside from pointless snipes and useless fluff) that "I think that there would be an NK Immune "Millar" Vig in a BBM/Oman game. This also proves that you are not reading the thread whatsoever, because

Oman was the person I executed yesterday

. To summarize, your

only

reason for saying anything is that "I think there is an NK Immune 'Millar' Vig! Panzer is coasting and pushing scot!", which shows that all you're doing is skimming through, coasting, and in general being a complete waste of space.

Shanba, Prozac as a middle ground for a lynch wagon? We're running out of time to decide.

[scotmany12]

And I actually went back and read the last few pages properly. Scot wow. The brittany spears thing was super obv a joke, and the fact that he claimed your role should have made that obvious. Plus, the way he claimed looked like an attempt to wriggle away from suspicion rather than something genuine.

Oh, and scot? You were able to make two actions last night?

Yes, I know. It was very stupid of me to think it was real. I saw his post and asked who he killed without even thinking about it.

Yes, I was able to do two actions. Someone gave me a package last night, and it allowed me to jailkeep someone in addition to my normal action.

I still think we should lynch UA. He hasn't posted since Sunday, despite saying he might read after he ate dinner on that day.

[Porochaz]

Do you want to iso me again, hmm? Cause you forget my post on mbf.

My point was, I think a NKIMV is likely in a BBM or a Oman game. Your also misrepping what I said. I dont care if someone is pushing scot (in wagon form). Which is essentially not a hugely great reason.

I would certainly like to see a scot lynch.

Is pushing for a lynch, now come off it, we are seriously considering lynching someone over what is a joke or not. You haven't even made a case for me beyond lurking and a point that I clarified above. I feel I have posted enough in a game where in the first day it was less about actually playing mafia and more about pandering to you before you shoot someone at random (or from a shortlist of random), now you feel like lording it over us all still, I made a case about mbf a few days ago, Im now voting panzer, your so big on people not pulling their weight, why not him. You take pot shots at me when I have nothing to do with your conversation, your opinions are ludacris, 90% sure on panzer, in 5 posts?(and not particularly sure about GW either) Im glad we have the mafia god in our midst. Oh wait, we don't. Cause it seems like you need Shanba's opinions pretty much all the time. Why is that? Why not sl or ua, he's not posting much, or me?

Now what next,

witty

retort back, hmmm?

[scotmany12]

You haven't even made a case for me beyond lurking and a point that I clarified above.

Haven't you heard? JD isn't explaining any of his votes out of necessity!

[scotmany12]

Why panzer over spring, chaz?

[JDodge]

Do you want to iso me again, hmm? Cause you forget my post on mbf.

My point was, I think a NKIMV is likely in a BBM or a Oman game. Your also misrepping what I said. I dont care if someone is pushing scot (in wagon form). Which is essentially not a hugely great reason.

No, I got your point pretty much entirely right. You have no reason for not seeing scot lynched aside from his claim, and as friendly neighborhood muppet, he's not going to be a useful vig anyways.

I would certainly like to see a scot lynch.

Is pushing for a lynch, now come off it, we are seriously considering lynching someone over what is a joke or not.

It has nothing to do with him not realizing it's a joke. It has to do with the following:

A) He saw MBF claim his role,

B) He did not counter-claim, which does not fit with him thinking it was "completely serious", which means his claim has little-to-no-meaning,

C) His responses are shit,

D) He hasn't done anything.

You haven't even made a case for me beyond lurking and a point that I clarified above. I feel I have posted enough in a game where in the first day it was less about actually playing mafia and more about pandering to you before you shoot someone at random (or from a shortlist of random)

No, it's pretty simple why everyone who was on that shortlist was on it. Ouman was on it because I felt his reactions to my over-the-top attitude to be off. Ouman on a normal day would call me out on being a self-important tosser.

UA was on it because he was (and is continuing to be) a waste of space, but he's a readable waste of space which is why we're not lynching him today.

UK was on it because I thought the way she was acting was dense and it was more of a wake-up call.

GW for the whole mess he made yesterday.

As for my no list:

Panzer is town. No, seriously.

Shanba is so win. No, seriously.

Spring's contributions have been consistently town. No, seriously.

MBF's few contributions that weren't obvious jokes had great pro-town vibes. No, seriously.

, now you feel like lording it over us all still, I made a case about mbf a few days ago

And you were wrong.

, Im now voting panzer, your so big on people not pulling their weight, why not him.

Because he's so completely and obviously town. I cannot stress this enough.

You take pot shots at me when I have nothing to do with your conversation, your opinions are ludacris

^ My opinions ^

90% sure on panzer, in 5 posts?(and not particularly sure about GW either)

Yep! I assure you there's a perfectly reasonable example for all of them.

Im glad we have the mafia god in our midst. Oh wait, we don't. Cause it seems like you need Shanba's opinions pretty much all the time. Why is that? Why not sl or ua, he's not posting much, or me?

Good point. Spring, from now on you can answer all the questions I pose to Shanba too.

I don't involve you and UA because you're both spunk-flavored lollipops of uselessness.

Now what next,

witty

retort back, hmmm?

I assure you, I have no such things

ever

.

[Flameaxe]

Myk is still in, sorry Flava.

[scotmany12]

It has nothing to do with him not realizing it's a joke. It has to do with the following:

A) He saw MBF claim his role,

B) He did not counter-claim, which does not fit with him thinking it was "completely serious", which means his claim has little-to-no-meaning,

At the time, I wasn't going to claim right away. I didn't rule it out that there could be to NK-immune vigs. In any other game I would laugh at that suggestion, but when bbm said it might be a complex setup in the queue, I wasn't going to rule anything out. Which is why I wanted to know who he killed, cause him targeting either me or jd would explain the lack of kills from either of us. So, go on and call me an idiot for this explanation, cause that accomplishes stuff.

C) His responses are shit,

D) He hasn't done anything.

How are my responses shit? And I have been far more active then I was during day one, and don't think its fair to say I haven't done anything.

[GhostWriter]

So... Does Flava's replacement feel like posting yet? Don't care, do it anyway. We're on a tight schedule, you see, and if you attempt to sail your way past the deadline without saying anything, I will push for your lynch before the day is over with.

[scotmany12]

EBWOP: How are my responses shit? And how does that make me scum?

I don't know why people are letting UA survive. I don't believe that he can only vote himself due to his role, and even if its true, it doesn't make him town. He is coasting right now, and isn't actively scumhunting.

At least panzer is voting for someone who he thinks is scum. Myk is in the same boat as UA right now, and if he doesn't start posting soon he should die too.

[JDodge]

It has nothing to do with him not realizing it's a joke. It has to do with the following:

A) He saw MBF claim his role,

B) He did not counter-claim, which does not fit with him thinking it was "completely serious", which means his claim has little-to-no-meaning,

At the time, I wasn't going to claim right away. I didn't rule it out that there could be to NK-immune vigs. In any other game I would laugh at that suggestion, but when bbm said it might be a complex setup in the queue, I wasn't going to rule anything out. Which is why I wanted to know who he killed, cause him targeting either me or jd would explain the lack of kills from either of us. So, go on and call me an idiot for this explanation, cause that accomplishes stuff.

So you thought the more likely explanation wasn't "he was lying", but there are

two roles that can't be killed at night, both town, that have a kill, despite there likely being a scumgroup and there only being two kills last night

. Can I borrow your rocketcycle and ramp? I wanna make leaps of logic like that.

Of course it's going to be a complex setup, we'd already proven that with the fact that you exist and that there was a cult and a king and you got date-rape drugs. Your explanation is extraordinarily convoluted and it's easier to say that you felt threatened by the possible existence of a night-kill immune pro-town killing role than it is to say you escaped from the obvious conclusion in a way that made Houdini have an orgasm in his grave.

C) His responses are shit,

D) He hasn't done anything.

How are my responses shit? And I have been far more active then I was during day one, and don't think its fair to say I haven't done anything.

See above, see above, you haven't done anything except defend yourself and speak when spoken to.

I don't know why people are letting UA survive. I don't believe that he can only vote himself due to his role, and even if its true, it doesn't make him town. He is coasting right now, and isn't actively scumhunting.

Right. Two night-kill immune pro-town killing roles make absolute sense. A compulsive self-voter

certainly doesn't

.

At least panzer is voting for someone who he thinks is scum. Myk is in the same boat as UA right now, and if he doesn't start posting soon he should die too.

myk is a great tomorrow lynch.

So... Does Flava's replacement feel like posting yet? Don't care, do it anyway. We're on a tight schedule, you see, and if you attempt to sail your way past the deadline without saying anything, I will push for your lynch before the day is over with.

Don't start with the empty threat bullshit. Put your balls where your mouth is, although that might be a bit

scotesque

.

[GhostWriter]

Valid point from Scot's previous post: UA, regardless of only being able to self-vote, you're going to need to do a little scumhunting. Especially after something like this like this:

The irony of the whole thing is YOU'RE NOT SCUMHUNTING.

Also, the following creates a problem for me:

The events of Day 1, As they pertain to UA:
Found FF scummy. Pursued. King Dodge didn't care. Backed off
Got into a minor argument with UK. (Turned out to be more worthless that FF's, but whatever floats your boat Scot.)Felt she was wrong but Town. She wouldn't back down.

Self-voted to end argument

Analysis: Subject began day with minor leads, but quickly gave up when he realized he'd be unable to convince the one person who mattered. Cruised for the rest of the day.

The bolded is the problem. It conflicts with this:

UA, I'm going to give you 48 to do something else than self-voting

I can't

I say it conflicts due to the fact that the way you describe the self-voting the first time doesn't make it feel like something you did because it's the only kind of voting you can do. It felt like more of a "did it for the shock value" type of thing. That's just my take on it.

Preview Edit: It's no empty threat. I don't see something at a reasonable time tomorrow/technically later today, then I'm pushing for a lynch of the Flava/Myk slot.

[JDodge]

Valid point from Scot's previous post: UA, regardless of only being able to self-vote, you're going to need to do a little scumhunting. Especially after something like this like this:

The irony of the whole thing is YOU'RE NOT SCUMHUNTING.

Also, the following creates a problem for me:

The events of Day 1, As they pertain to UA:
Found FF scummy. Pursued. King Dodge didn't care. Backed off
Got into a minor argument with UK. (Turned out to be more worthless that FF's, but whatever floats your boat Scot.)Felt she was wrong but Town. She wouldn't back down.

Self-voted to end argument

Analysis: Subject began day with minor leads, but quickly gave up when he realized he'd be unable to convince the one person who mattered. Cruised for the rest of the day.

The bolded is the problem. It conflicts with this:

UA, I'm going to give you 48 to do something else than self-voting

I can't

I say it conflicts due to the fact that the way you describe the self-voting the first time doesn't make it feel like something you did because it's the only kind of voting you can do. It felt like more of a "did it for the shock value" type of thing. That's just my take on it.

It is something he does. There's a reason why his title is vote: UltimaAvalon; the game-start UA wagon is tradition. Hell, one time we were playing AiTP in scumchat and I was the assassin and UA was the king; we quicklynched him at the start of D1 and I won. It was grand.

It's not something he keeps up. It's almost certainly a role. In fact, the fact that the UA wagon is traditional means it's likely a role.

[GhostWriter]

I do not have such background meta info, and will keep my train of thought the way it is, so that all bases are covered and no one slips by. UA isn't my current focus anyway. I mainly want UA to start hunting. I just also pointed out something I found a bit odd in the tone of the two posts.

[scotmany12]

JD: Stop putting words in my mouth. Me saying I didn't rule something out doesn't mean it is the most likely solution. I simply wasn't going to jump to conclusions and counterclaim him right away. Did I overanalyze the shit out of the entire situation? Of course. Believe it or not, people do that sometimes. Not everyone is perfect like you.

I think I did more than just defend myself, especially during the beginning of today.

Its looking more like I will be lynched. If that happens, I want everyone to look at spring. I think she is the most likely to be scum out of those who have pushed for my lynched. She seems like the one looking for an opportunistic lynch on me. I'm very surprised JD is voting for me, as he can usually read me very well, but he is a blur right now. I don't really know how he plays as scum, and I can never read him. I think panzer is sincere in thinking that I'm an sk.

I say it conflicts due to the fact that the way you describe the self-voting the first time doesn't make it feel like something you did because it's the only kind of voting you can do. It felt like more of a "did it for the shock value" type of thing. That's just my take on it.

Day one our votes didn't count towards lynching someone. He voted Flava Flave day one, so if he can only vote himself, then it didn't apply during day one.

But even if he can only vote himself, it doesn't make him town. UA isn't even making an effort to find scum. He's sitting back, playing minecraft and coasting through the entire game. He's not helping the town; he doesn't want to help the town.