Mini 1054/The Illusion - Creation (Over)

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, seriously, activity sucks right now. POST PEOPLE! And TM, you wanna post as well, since you promised something!

[xvart]

Will explain why me being so close to lynch is a disaster later

At first I was thinking this was pretty scummy about not explaining how being so close to a lynch is a disaster and not explaining immediately (and not explaining relatively quickly). However, after consideration I am going to unvote and will explain after TM explains himself. However, if what TM is going to say is what I think he may say it still doesn't necessarily prove alignment (as the random assignment).

UNVOTE:

xvart.

[GhostWriter]

For the moment it is what it appears to be: a vote. About as close to random as it gets as well. But not quite. Discussion is needed. I do not feel like waiting around for it. So I'll go out seeking it instead.

What was "not quite" random about your vote?

Gut. Nothing more.

[UncertainKitten]

The fact TM hasn't come forward for the past three days implies things.

[TonyMontana]

Yes, it implies lotsa drinkin during weekend. [barf_smiley]

I was being cute with my last post in a "no time to deflect right now, but wanna avoid speedlynch" kinda way.

I'm VT. Not a "disaster" lynch, exactly, but certainly not a great one either.

If we have a two-ply scum team, tomorrow will be lylo in case of mislynch today.
There is an off chance of UK-SK, since the role was unoccupied. This chance makes for wifom trouble, as a UK-SK surely can't kill tonight. And if there's another SK that chose not to kill, they could try to frame UK on that logic.

Maybe we should save ourselfs the headtrauma, and stick to the two-ply theory.

In which case, I nominate (ghostwriter) + (uk or swartz)

Vote: Ghostwriter

[GhostWriter]

Gonna explain it? Or copy me and try saying "gut"?

[Chronopie]

What's your role name TM?

i.e Jaded, Victim etc.

[TonyMontana]

The Dreamer

GW, yeah I can give reasons later. For now, we can start with your random "gut vote".

[GhostWriter]

Putting "gut vote" in quotations like that doesn't stop your iso from reading a bit scummy.

[TonyMontana]

Putting "gut vote" in quotations like that doesn't stop your iso from reading a bit scummy.

You placed a vote on me

without reason.

When called on it, you said it was

close to random.

Then you said you did it to

create discussion.

Then you said you chose me

because of my avatar

, and had no real reason for doing it.

When pushed on it, you change your story and say you had a

gut feeling

.

Now you suddenly have a

scummy read

on my ISO?

OBVIOUS SCUM TRYING TO RIDE HIS RANDOM VOTE TO MY GRAVE

is obvious.

[TonyMontana]

Since I promised to get back to Zang:

I completely disagree. 

1.Ani isn't just not active here, He's lurking in his other games.

2. Lurkers are not often scum. In almost every game I was in, there was a townie lurker. Even I sometimes lurk as town.

First off, in almost every game i was in, there was a scum lurker, and i often lurk as scum. I guess we can close that case then.

Secondly, Ani was active in other games while this game was going on. You seem to be making arguments for the sake of making some at all. Now, I don't think that's totally condemning for you, and I'm on the fence about UK at the moment, but i'll be willing to later consider the wifom of you both

making an argument for lurkers being town,

and for

trying to argue that ani wasn't lurking, he was flaking.

[GhostWriter]

I fail to see how all of my reasons are not connected.

Whilst on the phone, I did an iso of people. Whilst doing them, yours was the hardest to do because of something in either your avatar or signature freezing my phone. The people I iso'd were picked at random. Your iso reads a bit scummy, though not much since not much has happened. No specific reasons as to why, it just did, hence the gut read. Your iso also bugged me for how hard it was to get through. And the whole point of me looking for someone to vote out of a random bunch of players was to create discussion. Furthermore, the fact that it was all done to create discussion and at random implies that I don't intend to ride it to your grave unless discussion leads that way. If I recall, I didn't make a case against you. If anything, you seem more intent upon riding this OMGUS-vote on out. Though I don't really fear it going anywhere one way or the other.

Also, on the subject of Ani, he did flake on every game. I had him in other games with me at the same time, and he dropped out of them all, having to be replaced after never responding to prods. So I disagree with what you're trying to get at. Dude flaked.

[TonyMontana]

Also, on the subject of Ani, he did flake on every game. I had him in other games with me at the same time, and he dropped out of them all, having to be replaced after never responding to prods. So I disagree with what you're trying to get at. Dude flaked.

I pointed out that he was still active first on his last day of posting.
I reiterate the point the next day.

He was very active elsewhere in the 4 days of this game being open before flaking.

Zang was making it sound like he had already flaked when I pointed this out. He wasn't lurking in other games. He prolly wasnt lurking in this one either. But at least he posted in the other games.

Do you agree with Zang that lurking is a towntell?

[TonyMontana]

Also, playing the OMGUS card? For shame...

[TonyMontana]

Furthermore, the fact that it was all done to create discussion and at random implies that I don't intend to ride it to your grave unless discussion leads that way. If I recall, I didn't make a case against you.

Well, feel free to either
A) make a case against me.
B) unjoin my wagon.

Or if you really wanna treat me, do both. (A∪B)²

[UncertainKitten]

Well, you were posting a bit in Mish Mash and a couple games, but most of your activity WAS concentrated in mish mash, which would support "lotsa drinking" over this weekend. I'm still unsure of what to do with you, or why you're even being voted. It is entirely possibly I missed something but is there a case on you anywhere I can peruse?

[TonyMontana]

Well, I will in no way claim to have been VLA this weekend. Busy saturday, bed rest sunday. So yes, mindless actions in mish mash kept up, minor modding upkeep, and resorting to lurking in here, my only current game. (At least i think this is, =S)

Not really any case on me no.

GW voted me at random (or gut) (or random)
Zang voted me cause he wanted me to point out how he was totally wrong to disagree with my lurking statements.
xvartz put the L-1 vote on after this assessment, which i will respond to now:

I'm calling BS on this vote. You make a point of talking about how Ani is active elsewhere but not posting here and then vote another lurker because lurkers are scum? Plus his hammer/wait for Ani to bus thing doesn't really read genuine to me. What happened to your Ani suspicion?

First off, I voted Zang for claiming that lurkers were town, not for being lurker. In any case, It's beside the point, as the vote was mostly RVS fun.

Secondly, what part of the waiting for Ani to bus needed to be genuine?

[GhostWriter]

Also, on the subject of Ani, he did flake on every game. I had him in other games with me at the same time, and he dropped out of them all, having to be replaced after never responding to prods. So I disagree with what you're trying to get at. Dude flaked.

Do you agree with Zang that lurking is a towntell?

At no point did I state anything of that nature. Anyway ,as far as I'm concerned, I don't just say "lurking is a towntell/lurking is a scumtell". It all depends on the situation at hand.

And I think it's alright to call it OMGUS when it does, indeed, look and feel OMGUS-ish.

As for my vote staying on you without a case, for now, I'll stick with the fact that you over-exaggerated why you shouldn't be lynched, only to claim vanilla. At the moment, it's enough to hold my vote here. Also, this has the highest chance of causing more discussion.

[TonyMontana]

Didnt intend to accuse you of agreeing with zang, I was merely asking. ^^

In any case, fair enough about leaving your vote. I'm sure Zang and Gandalf will be by soon to help us. Zang, of course, only lurks as town, so he's cleared.

[GhostWriter]

I cannot tell if that last post was entirely serious or not.

[TonyMontana]

it got less and less serious towards the end.

[GhostWriter]

How serious was it when you mentioned Gandalf as if he were alive?

[TonyMontana]

[face_palm]

[Zang]

If we have a two-ply scum team, tomorrow will be lylo in case of mislynch today.
There is an off chance of UK-SK, since the role was unoccupied. This chance makes for wifom trouble, as a UK-SK surely can't kill tonight. And if there's another SK that chose not to kill, they could try to frame UK on that logic.

How can there be 2 SKs? Wouldnt that just make another scum team?

 First off, in almost every game i was in, there was a scum lurker, and i often lurk as scum. I guess we can close that case then.

I agree that there are a lot of scum lurkers, but how many lurkers in your games were town? 

Secondly, Ani was active in other games while this game was going on. You seem to be making arguments for the sake of making some at all.

No he wasn't, I was just in a game where ani was lurking during this game. I also looked at his other ongoing games and he was lurking in them. I'm also in some mish mash games were he needed to be replaced. I don't know what games you're talking about but I saw almost no games were he was active.

 but i'll be willing to later consider the wifom of you both making an argument for lurkers being town,

I'm not saying that all lurkers are town, I'm saying that just as many lurkers are town as there are scum.

Zang was making it sound like he had already flaked when I pointed this out. He wasn't lurking in other games. He prolly wasnt lurking in this one either. But at least he posted in the other games.

But he wasn't posting in other games! 

Do you agree with Zang that lurking is a towntell?

I'm not arguing that it's a towntell, I'm arguing that its a nulltell.

In any case, fair enough about leaving your vote. I'm sure Zang and Gandalf will be by soon to help us. Zang, of course, only lurks as town, so he's cleared.

I lurk just as much as scum as I do as town.

[TonyMontana]

How can there be 2 SKs? Wouldnt that just make another scum team?

Did not say two SK.

I agree that there are a lot of scum lurkers, but how many lurkers in your games were town?

About 49%

No he wasn't, I was just in a game where ani was lurking during this game. I also looked at his other ongoing games and he was lurking in them. I'm also in some mish mash games were he needed to be replaced. I don't know what games you're talking about but I saw almost no games were he was active.

But he wasn't posting in other games!

Animorpher's posts

Facts

are stubborn things, hard to argue with. 22nd was when I pointed it out. I was supposed to predict that it would be the last day he posted? Or did you know he was never coming back 2 days later?
And are we missing the point here, shouldn't someone call the cops or something, i mean the guy has a 4 post per day average for christ sake.

I'm not saying that all lurkers are town, I'm saying that just as many lurkers are town as there are scum.

I'm not arguing that it's a towntell, I'm arguing that its a nulltell.

Here's what you said:

Lurkers are

not often

scum.

These words do not argue it's a nulltell.

In any case, why are we fighting, I'm much more interested in having you join my GhostWriter campaign.