Mini 1064 - Charlie's Town (Game Over!)

[Charlie]

Vote count 4

RichardGHP (5) - Shotty to the Body, Casus Belli, FakeGod, Substrike22, Reckamonic
Shotty to the Body (3) - jmurph3, SpyreX, Nachomamma8
FakeGod (1) - masfloohinev
jmurph3 (1) - q21
Casus Belli (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum

Not voting: RichardGHP
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Casus Belli]

@CES - don't buy what? You haven't made a single relevant observation all game; on the plus side, you are now on our probable scum list, and here is why. You voted richard in 34, a seemingly innocent RVS bandwagon vote. At the time of your vote change in post 72 the three leading wagons were:
Richard - 5
Shotty - 4
masf - 3

You then switched votes to masf (for no documented reasoning), putting all the wagons at 4 votes; but at the time it seems like while the masf wagon is picking up some steam the Shotty wagon looks like it has the most momentum and at the time the Richard wagon was still mostly RVS bandwagoning. Why did you switch votes?

You then chainsaw defend Richard by, out of the blue, questioning our read on Richard, and then voting for us. Was there a reason you thought we might not be serious when you quoted us in 109? If we didn't know any better we would think you are preparing to jump ship on the masf wagon; oh wait, you did jump ship on that wagon because you didn't "buy" that we were serious about our Richard read.

Could it be that easy? Richard, masf, and CES?

[RichardGHP]

No it couldn't, and you damn well know it. No-one has ever legitimately caught all three scum within the first day.

[FakeGod]

@Richard: Question: why did you say that no one ever caught all three scum first day, instead of just straight up denial "I'm not scum"?

[RichardGHP]

I'm not scum.

[RichardGHP]

There, happy now?

[Nachomamma8]

V/LA until Monday.

[q21]

I getting suspicious of CES, three votes and half a reason (and I'm being generous to give him that much) between them. Its scummy.

No it couldn't, and you damn well know it. No-one has ever legitimately caught all three scum within the first day.

This is a scummy way to try and push the suspicion off of yourself. Scummier yet is the complete failure to answer FakeGod's subsequent question.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

@CES - don't buy what?

I don't buy that you ascribe such a high likelihood to Richard being scum so early and based on so little.

You then switched votes to masf (for no documented reasoning), putting all the wagons at 4 votes; but at the time it seems like while the masf wagon is picking up some steam the Shotty wagon looks like it has the most momentum and at the time the Richard wagon was still mostly RVS bandwagoning. Why did you switch votes?

The massflowwagon seemed the most promising at the time based on a fairly shallow reading of the thread.

Was there a reason you thought we might not be serious when you quoted us in 109?

There are plenty of people on the site that routinely overstate their suspicions - who, in fact, tend to accuse you of weaselwording if you don't overstate your own suspicions.

I getting suspicious of CES, three votes and half a reason (and I'm being generous to give him that much) between them. Its scummy.

I believe that's above average for me on page 6 in the reasons department - and about par in the votes department.

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Spyrex

because his play thus far does not read as town. This is not something I am likely to explain further.

[jmurph3]

Hey all - Something has unexpectedly come up and I will thus be

V/LA until Monday the 11th

.

[SpyreX]

@Spyre: I'd pick the second one obviously. Your question was loaded because it was so black and white so I was trying to explain why there could be enough information to warrant that view.

Sooo, it actually wasn't hyperbole in 50 then?

[Reckamonic]

Vote: Spyrex

because his play thus far does not read as town. This is not something I am likely to explain further.

And this is why we want to lynch your anti-town ass today.

[RichardGHP]

On the contrary, my ass is as pro-town as the rest of me. Maybe more!

[masfloohinev]

q21, I want to know your current reads on those players.

With how scummy Richard is, Mas and his reasonless Shotty vote looks like an attempt to distract the town away from the growing Richard wagon. Still we find Richard scummier than Mas, so no switch from us.

Have you never seen somebody vote for somebody without giving reasons? This is really reaching. Keep in mind this was an RVS bandwagon.

Yes we have seen people voting without reason before. You.

This doesn't answer my question, and I think you know it.

Casus Belli, why didn't you give any reads in your previous post?

Read it again. We said Richard and yourself are likely scum, in our book, those are reads.

No, you didn't. I'm talking about this post.

Wasn't it you just arguing that FakeGod's reasonless vote was a reaction to your vote on Shotty? Why can't we propose the likelihood of your hop on Shotty as a reaction to Richards growing wagon considering the timing and how you gently pushed it on with subsequent posts.

...because the theory that I'm protecting RichardGHP is reaching whereas the idea that FakeGod could've been scum trying to avoid commenting on the game was logical.


I thought it over and like this alternative to my FakeGod vote:

Unvote. Vote: Casus Belli

[masfloohinev]

Your avatar is incredibly unlikeable, though, masnlfllooovz.

Better?

[q21]

I getting suspicious of CES, three votes and half a reason (and I'm being generous to give him that much) between them. Its scummy.

I believe that's above average for me on page 6 in the reasons department - and about par in the votes department.

Does the ratio of reasons to votes go up as the game goes on?

q21, I want to know your current reads on those players.

I thought my last post on this subject made it quite clear that my read on those players is null.

[masfloohinev]

Umm.... no. You didn't make that very clear. But do you have a read on Casus Belli?

[q21]

mas - I like Casus Belli's play at the moment.

[Casus Belli]

No it couldn't, and you damn well know it. No-one has ever legitimately caught all three scum within the first day.

Okay, so who which one of your buddies are we missing?

@CES - don't buy what?

I don't buy that you ascribe such a high likelihood to Richard being scum so early and based on so little.

Richard is our top suspect, do we think he is 100% scum? No, but that wasn't what you asked us, you wanted to know if our statement about him being scum was serious. What about the other players who have also called various players scum or scummy?

With how scummy Richard is, Mas and his reasonless Shotty vote looks like an attempt to distract the town away from the growing Richard wagon. Still we find Richard scummier than Mas, so no switch from us.

Have you never seen somebody vote for somebody without giving reasons? This is really reaching. Keep in mind this was an RVS bandwagon.

Yes we have seen people voting without reason before. You.

This doesn't answer my question, and I think you know it.

It does answer your question. If this isn't the answer you want you are going to have to be clear with what you were driving at here. Both players of this hydra have seen plenty of situations where a reasonless vote has been placed. Why does it matter?

Casus Belli, why didn't you give any reads in your previous post?

Read it again. We said Richard and yourself are likely scum, in our book, those are reads.

No, you didn't. I'm talking about this post.

When you said “previous post” it sounded like you were talking about our last post. As for the one you quoted we had a couple of ideas, but wanted to question a few people before coming out with our reads at the time. As you can also see we didn't move our vote from Richard because we were feeling scum there, but there was a lot going on and wanted to see what the explanations were for all that (which Shotty still hasn't answered).

We don't think there is anything wrong with asking questions before forming a more solid judgment. This is what we did.

Wasn't it you just arguing that FakeGod's reasonless vote was a reaction to your vote on Shotty? Why can't we propose the likelihood of your hop on Shotty as a reaction to Richards growing wagon considering the timing and how you gently pushed it on with subsequent posts.

...because the theory that I'm protecting RichardGHP is reaching whereas the idea that FakeGod could've been scum trying to avoid commenting on the game was logical.

Why is our suggestion a reach and your similar assumption logical? From what we can see it is working of the same basic logic that scum look to cause a distraction. Your vote came at a time that Richard's wagon was really picking up speed. If you are his buddy then wanting to distract from his wagon would be a natural reaction; hence your poking and vote on Shotty.

[RichardGHP]

No it couldn't, and you damn well know it. No-one has ever legitimately caught all three scum within the first day.

Okay, so who which one of your buddies are we missing?

I can't speak for the buddy of the other two, but nowhere in the threesome does my good self feature. If I had to guess I'd say you're probably missing two, maybe even all three of the scum.

[Shotty to the Body]

On the contrary, my ass is as pro-town as the rest of me. Maybe more!

Then show us something? Why are you voting Spyre? This is fairly typical tunneling from him.

@Spyre: I missed where I said that.

[SpyreX]

Keep painting it as tunneling.

You're quotes are pointless when it's essentially the whole ISO (5/6 post-start posts) with zero explanation. Post 50 was hyperbole if you want to get technical, the point was focused at mahfloo and OMGUS from GHP. "Little to no" doesn't mean zero either, Richard and mahfloogsfaslk are the best bet right now in my opinion, so I'm voting them and laying out some points. If you want to sit around and wait til page 10 to start I'll just back off and we can twiddle our thumbs and not generate any info.

@Spyre: I'd pick the second one obviously. Your question was loaded because it was so black and white so I was trying to explain why there could be enough information to warrant that view.

3.) Little to no doesn't mean zero. This is true. HOWEVER, it sure doesn't mean, again "Richard is scum and the wagon on me is scum saving scum". So, again (and I'll update it): So, what's the dealio. Is it " little to no information" or is it "Richard is scum and the wagon on me is scum saving scum".

If its the second one then: Scum team to the rescue with a counterwagon! is not hyperbole because you're not ACTUALLY exaggerating what you are saying.

[Reckamonic]

Casus Belli is very town. Anyone attacking him from here on out is on our radar.

Including you, CES. There is no reasoning given for you to "not buy" Casus Belli's read on Richard.

Also, maflylhsldufnoo is ignoring Richard. Isn't it cute how he's trying not to bus his scumbuddy? d'awwwww.

Our vote stands.

[SpyreX]

RECK

Halp

WHy is this thread so god awful slow?