Mini 1054/The Illusion - Creation (Over)

[GhostWriter]

For the moment it is what it appears to be: a vote. About as close to random as it gets as well. But not quite. Discussion is needed. I do not feel like waiting around for it. So I'll go out seeking it instead.

[UncertainKitten]

Alright, I'll play. I thought you saw this:

MOD: Does a scumteam of two get a kill, if one of them dies?

And concluded he was asking out of self interest.

[GhostWriter]

It made discussion happen. From one person. Come on, this is bloody rediculous. I voted someone with no real reason, gave a deflection for an answer, and we still got nothing...

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, this kinda sucks. Other people should post. It's the cool thing to do.

[Chronopie]

I'd post, but I have no leads, and any vote I made would be little better than random.

-_-

[Zang]

Vote: TonyMontana

Can you elaborate more on why you think all lurkers are scum?

[TonyMontana]

I would, but I'm busy lurking.

[Chronopie]

So you're scum, by your own reasoning?

good enough for me.

Vot...

wait... I see what you did thar.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, when you don't have leads, you're supposed to ask questions, and let the answers lead you. Or something like that. It's what I do. Just so happens I have a lead and am mildly distressed dearest xvart hasn't taken the opportunity to reply yet.

[xvart]

Woah, sorry everyone. I forgot this game had started again. Reading and posting now.

xvart.

[xvart]

UK (120) - regarding the first link: I'm not sure what you mean by the misrep. Maybe I just wrote it wrong because that post was essentially saying what I said in the color coded post, but not as clear. I was attempting to highlight the differences in his motives.

I concede that you are correct on the SK hunting, but the point was that killing someone with an alternative win condition to the town's isn't a solid scumtell. Yes, scum can do it, but that doesn't mean that people who do it are always scum.

Regarding what win condition he could have been claiming: I honestly don't know. It's a pretty unique setup so from my point of view anyone who doesn't match the town's win condition is lynch worthy.

Alright, I'll play. I thought you saw this:

MOD: Does a scumteam of two get a kill, if one of them dies?

And concluded he was asking out of self interest.

Why didn't you like this? Sounds like a legitimate question for a scum to ask, because if scum is as clueless as town is on setup, it might be worthwhile to fish. I might be willing to press this a little after I look back on Tony's interactions with the gandalf wagon.

xvart.

[Chronopie]

After re-reading, I'm still (mostly) at a loss.

Hmm...

Gandalf - The Jaded, VT

Chrono - The Victim, Miller

xvart

UncertainKitten

(animorpherv1)

GhostWriter

Zang

TonyMontana

I'm calling GW and xvart town, based on their positions on Gandalf (even though he flipped town, their arguments looked legit. xvart more than GW though.)
TM is probably town, his speculation on mafia composition at D2 start looks legit.

That leaves Zang and UK. With GW as a possible third choice.

VOTE: Zang

[TonyMontana]

TM is probably town, his speculation on mafia composition at D2 start looks legit.

Pfft, TM could've easily faked that speculation. I say you keep a close eye on him.

Then again, your whole "millers cant be scum" thing is equally convincing, which is pretty much all i have to go on at the moment. I'm leaning towards it counting in your favor tho.

Zang, were you the one who got me going on the lurker thing in the first place? Gonna have to check on that. Does not bode well for you.

[Chronopie]

There's a 2/3 chance of anyone being town, we've had one townie flip. six people remain.

I know I'm town. The chances that everyone is town is about 9% (i.e 0 scum). It's unlikely, given the lack of a kill, that there's either

one

or

three

scum.

And my laptop is dying. bbl.

[UncertainKitten]

@Xvart: The misrep was the timing. At first it was about the use of reaction fishing, BEFORE he backtracked to it being a joke. The only time he said reaction fishing at that point was AFTER the 'trap' had been sprung, and there was no inconsistency. I don't see why you were painting it as such.

About SK hunting: It was more that you seemed to be using it as a towntell. It's not.

About not liking GW's vote: Pretty much that if TM were scum wanting to know, I'd expect it to be asked in PM. Not that saying it in thread CLEARS him, but it has marginal town intent.

Your post strikes me as neutral. Vote stays for now.

@Chronopie: Your logic is terrible. Fix it.

@TM: Intriguing post ^-^.

[GhostWriter]

I was voting at random, fr the record. It ended up on TM for the sole fact that something about either his sig or his avatar froze my phone for 2 or 3 seconds every time I tried scrolling through the thread.

[Chronopie]

@Chronopie: Your logic is terrible. Fix it.

point out which bit needs fixing kthx. Everything makes sense from my PoV.

[UncertainKitten]

Your clears are ridiculously arbitrary to the point of uselessness.

What at ALL makes the players in green "look legit"? It's laziness at best, and scummy bullshitting at worst. You get to help me sort out which it is.

[Chronopie]

Far

more the former than the latter, but all it's I have rite naow.

[UncertainKitten]

So, basically, you admit you have little to no information, but are willing to clear 2/3rds of the game with weak reasoning. Why?

[Chronopie]

No, the lazy re-read once over, figuring out what motivation I'd have had making those same posts, leads me to conclude that their actions were probably made from a town perspective.
Lazy: yes, scummy: No. geddit?

[UncertainKitten]

Laziness is at the least anti town. And not very logical.

As I said, fix it.

[Zang]

Zang, were you the one who got me going on the lurker thing in the first place? Gonna have to check on that. Does not bode well for you.

If youre talking about when I said that most lurkers are town than yes. The only reason I brought it back up was because it is the only thing I have that's even remotely scummy on anybody.

[xvart]

About SK hunting: It was more that you seemed to be using it as a towntell. It's not.

That wasn't my intention. My intention was that it wasn't a scumtell.

For the moment it is what it appears to be: a vote. About as close to random as it gets as well. But not quite. Discussion is needed. I do not feel like waiting around for it. So I'll go out seeking it instead.

What was "not quite" random about your vote?

There's a 2/3 chance of anyone being town, we've had one townie flip. six people remain.

I know I'm town. The chances that everyone is town is about 9% (i.e 0 scum). It's unlikely, given the lack of a kill, that there's either

one

or

three

scum.

And my laptop is dying. bbl.

I hate to even mention this at the possibility of being scorned as scum speculating or trying to fish out town motives, and if we don't want to talk about it that is fine; at what point should we consider calling it game and assuming there are no more scum?

Reading back over TM:

I'm here to point out that Animorpher is still very active, just not here.

Vote:Zang

Cause lurkers are often scum.

I'm calling BS on this vote. You make a point of talking about how Ani is active elsewhere but not posting here and then vote another lurker because lurkers are scum? Plus his hammer/wait for Ani to bus thing doesn't really read genuine to me. What happened to your Ani suspicion?

VOTE: Tony (L-1)

xvart.

[TonyMontana]

What happened to your Ani suspicion?

It got replaced with adorable kitten feelings for UK.

Will explain why me being so close to lynch is a disaster later