/Invitational 11: Pick your Poison 5 (Game Over)

[Fate]

That last post was directed at you SpyreX, the next one will also be directed at you.

[Fate]

There is no more goddamned VV stop livin in the PAST SPYREX

[Ellibereth]

Vote: Adumbro

[SpyreX]

GOD

Fate if he's scum I swear I want an essay on my desk about listening to SpyreX.

Unvote, Vote: Adumbro

[Patrick]

Votecount

HackerHuck (4) -- PokerFace, iamausername, Seraphim, AdumbroDeus
AdumbroDeus (5) -- Fate, Kmd4390, Plumegranate, Ellibereth, SpyreX

Not voting: mith, ooba, HackerHuck
12 alive, 7 to lynch.

[mith]

Ellibereth: Why would you need to read it after it was over to figure out that you thought DGB was town?

As for the questions on wagon analysis, post 1460. Here's what bothers me (as it specifically relates to you):

You've played with DGB many times, and she has posted wagon analysis with her various scoring systems at least a few times in those games. You've helped her with that process, whether as a separate player or as part of a hydra with her. In this game, she posted a simplistic (not just based on my "standard" as a math geek, but by comparison with her own past methods) analysis, focusing solely on who was on various large wagons, not long after you pointed out who was off the zoraster wagon (with the implication that someone off-wagon should be scum, but you weren't seeing it). Your initial reaction to her post was to link two of her suspects to populartajo's suspicions (the problem being that ekiM was only 5th on DGB's list, and Plumegranate wasn't really mentioned by populartajo); that feels like a reach, but it also seems to me that you, having more experience with DGB's analysis methods, should have been the first to say "hey, wait a minute, this doesn't look like the sort of thing you've posted in previous games, and there's also several errors, and...".

Your most-of-game stance on DGB as reading town doesn't bother me a whole lot, really - it's a small point against you, but innocents are wrong about alignment all the time, and scum don't always post that their scumbuddies are town. It does, however, bother me that you didn't really question or elaborate on that, despite numerous points being made against her, and despite her being the vote leader for a portion of early day 3 (until the rise of CAPITALISM, basically). You were certainly involved in pushing attention away from her and toward ooba and Plumegranate - perhaps opportunistic in light of Fate's entrance into the game. You discarded her wagon as viable as we neared deadline, despite her being tied with ooba (who you were voting for).

(And, unrelated to DGB, we have iamausername's points against you in 1256 and 1259.)

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Fate: You having a serious meta on someone means very little to me. I currently have no reason to believe you are any good at reading people, nor any reason to believe Ellibereth is more or less likely to bus a scumbuddy than call them town, nor any reason to believe Ellibereth wouldn't change up his play in this game knowing many players may be familiar with his meta. I am not opposed to an AdumbroDeus lynch, but I have every intention of looking at other players before any lynch happens.

Similar response to AdumbroDeus's post. If you want to invoke meta with me, you're going to have to present examples of the relevant play; I don't have time to search for games (certainly not on other sites), much less read enough games to establish a meta. (And even if you do so, you are probably wasting your time - I use meta for certain things, but I am far more interested in your play in this game, and whether I believe you are telling the truth.)

[Fate]

Yeah ok whatever Mith the fact is ADUMBRO's got 5 votes and Ellie's got none so REGARDLESS you gotta switch over now.

[Fate]

I still want Seraphim dead btw

[Plumegranate]

I would think that this should be obvious by now...

I'm not scum, I'm just the resident VI. I wasn't prepared for the level of play in this game, tried my best to figure it out, but in the end wasn't good enough. Do a bit of research both here on smashboards on my meta, I'm a much stronger scum player then this, the only other game where I really played badly was where I got lost as town (of God's and Men).


I would've never protected DGB if I was scum, I've opened cases against my scummates on more then one occasion.

Wait, WTH? Don't go playing the VI card on me, mister. Now, an actual defense would be appreciated.

[Fate]

Don't ask scum for actual defenses, ask them for claims.

Kthx

[Ellibereth]

I meant that I wasn't here for most of the stuff that happened from DGB-claiming onwards so I read that part after it was over.
I got lazy and skipped the part where she did the actual analysis and just scrolled down toward the conclusions...
Yeah.

And I still don't get why it's bad for a 2nd vig if they're existing and shooting to claim. >.>
Otherwise the lack of KMD-blockage makes no sense rite?

[Fate]

Maybe they RB'd in the dark for funsies or the RB flaked (COUGH SERAPHIM COUGH) who knows. 2nd vig seems pretty unlikely atm.

[AdumbroDeus]

I would think that this should be obvious by now...

I'm not scum, I'm just the resident VI. I wasn't prepared for the level of play in this game, tried my best to figure it out, but in the end wasn't good enough. Do a bit of research both here on smashboards on my meta, I'm a much stronger scum player then this, the only other game where I really played badly was where I got lost as town (of God's and Men).


I would've never protected DGB if I was scum, I've opened cases against my scummates on more then one occasion.

Wait, WTH? Don't go playing the VI card on me, mister. Now, an actual defense would be appreciated.

And how am I supposed to post a legit defense if I have yet to wrap my head around the game?


My claim is VT, I was attempting to breadcrumb a PR to get NK'd, didn't work.



Out of curiosity, who did you guys think I was an alt for? (The answer is no btw, I'm not an alt, Mith should know this)

[Fate]

VT claim after the VI claim because he saw it work for PlumPom?

Hrmmmmmmmmmm

[Fate]

Show me those supposed breadcrumbs lackey.

[AdumbroDeus]

Show me those supposed breadcrumbs lackey.

Let's please stop helping scum find the two remaining power roles, shall we?

Dear god this, why were were discussing it in the first place.


*narrows eyes at all involved parties*

Also, yeah, KMD still being alive and not being roleblocked at all is odd, CC for the last PR slot?

There and there I tried to do it, obviously was too clumsy about it.

Coupled with blatant lack of presence (which actually had a lot more to do with lack of time, but also difficulty digesting the game) I hoped would be sufficient to bait it.

[Ellibereth]

unvote

I'll try and think myself as soon as I can...:/

[HackerHuck]

Yeah ok whatever Mith the fact is ADUMBRO's got 5 votes and Ellie's got none so REGARDLESS you gotta switch over now.

What's the rush. There's plenty of daylight left. While I agree with this:

There is scum in {

HackerHuck

, AdumbroDeus, PokerFace}

I'm not sold on it being Adumbro. The village idiot defence doesn't do it for me, but I'm also a little suspicious of PokerFace.

It is starting to worry me that people seem to be following Fate around like sheep. Ellibereth hasn't done anything but hop on whatever wagon Fate is leading and seems to be getting away with it. I'm not leaning scum on Fate, but I'm stumped as to why he doesn't find it scummy for Ellibereth to ride his coattails.

Adumbro - How did you think you could breadcrumb a PR when you don't know which PR is out there?

Ellibereth - why do you think a second vig claiming would help the town? Wouldn't even a little doubt be better than none? It's not like they have anyone else to roleblock.

[AdumbroDeus]

Adumbro - How did you think you could breadcrumb a PR when you don't know which PR is out there?

Through patterns of behavior that would seem to indicate a PR.

I guess "breadcrumbing" isn't the right term for this, more along the lines of "committing noticeable PR tells".


Obviously I couldn't do anything that hinted at a specific PR, but I could do my best to do general PR behavior and hope for the best.

[Kmd4390]

Not changing my vote.

Lynchplz

[PokerFace]

<<At work

I should be done with my readings tonight and i'll get a post with changed reads of everything up tonight or tomorrow. Sorry this has taken so long

[Fate]

Sorry KMD, the VT claim and crumbs read too pure for me.


BUT GUESS WHO WAS POSTIN IN ANOTHER GAME OF MINE

VOTE: OOBA

HELLO HANDSOME.

[Fate]

I'd quote some of ooba's wall but it would be more akin to spamming the thread than I already am.

But I think it is safe to say we ALL remember how ooba was drawing connections from DBG TO FRIGGIN EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER.

INCLUDING ME WHICH I DO NOT APPRECIATE.

(on second thought I will quote the damning post he made)

[Fate]

As far as connections go, I've noted that you have derailed the DGB wagon. If I am wrong about mith\Rhinox\Plum theory and DGB is scum, it's worth looking into but not worth pursuing right now.

HOW DARE HE DRAW SCUMLINES FRoM ME TO HIS GOONIE FRIEND.

- If elmo had been tracked to tajo, the correct play would have been to ask him to shoot himself as that frees up a lynch.

Huh?

Tajo was a strong town read for me. So any claim of killing tajo is suspicious. The correct play for a claimed suspicious vig is for them to shoot themselves in the night. (mith pointed out that this might not be the best solution in an open game)

@HH: How come I made no impression on you - yet am in the scummier list?

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I would be kicked if the scum team is ..

Votecount

mith (1) -- Seraphim
DrippingGoofball (4) --

mith, Plumegranate

, iamausername, ooba
ooba (1) -- SpyreX
Plumegranate (6) -- DrippingGoofball, Kmd4390,

Rhinox

, Ellibereth, Fate, HackerHuck

Not voting: AdumbroDeus, PokerFace
14 alive, 8 to lynch.

Deadline: 28th of September, 9:20 pm, GMT.

Rhinox: KMD -> PZ -> Hoopla - > ekim -> ooba -> zora -> SpyreX -> Plum
mith: Hoopla -> DGB -> zora -> DGB -> zora -> DGB
Plum: ooba -> Hoopla -> VV -> ooba -> zora -> DGB
- Town reads on Sera, MMe
- Rhinox's SpyreX vote unlikely to be a bus .. ("I am not voting anyone?")
- Plum's VV vote an unvote is suspicious esp. since the unvote paragraph is a lot of words with no real stance. I would feel vindicated if HH was the fourth but leaning on unlikely since he had a choice between DGB\Plum and chose Plum..
- iam was scummy since I saw a possible iam\DGB pairing but iam seems genuine in wanting DGB lynched
- So I'd put my money on AD for the fourth

Vote: Plum

L-1..

Preview: "Also, why are so many lynches building force so fast?" .. I feel good about my call ..

"all these people are scum with DGB lulz but immavote Plumpomz"

[Fate]

until the rise of CAPITALISM, basically

Also, I feel obligated to say this would have been an epic title for someone >_>

@Everyone: I promise ooba will be the last wagon switch today. Even if he claims something sexy we'll just go back to VTdumbro and not go through any more craziness.