Mini 1035 - Devil's Town - GAME OVER

[LimMePls]

I'm VT.

because he's lying scum. He claimed an information role and provided us with no information. How likely is a tracker and a watcher in the same game? Isn't 9-player setup either just a cop or a doc+cop as PRs on the town side?

That's standard 9-man for newbie games, but this isn't a newbie game. I see no reason why town couldn't have tracker + watcher. Tracker is like a weaker cop and watcher is like a reverse bodyguard (you don't save the target, but you get to catch the killer scum).

[TDC]

@TDC: Incognito striked me as having the posturing to be Machiavellian.

Is that all you're going to say about this?

I agree with LMP as far as balance is concerned.

[TDC]

Note that, if LMP and I were scum, we'd have hammered Taz by now.

[TDC]

Same goes for any combination of podium and us two, actually, he's around, too.

Pretty sure we should lynch UT.

[Untrod Tripod]

@podium: THAT's definitely not how it works on THIS site.

It depends, but I think in general you're right.

@UT: Watcher and tracker in the same game is VERY believable, so what you talking about UT?

We have 5 players left and the game isn't over, so obviously we've got 2 mafia. 2 mafia in a 9 player game is already skewed towards town, so I find it unlikely that we'd have two info roles. Since we don't have a vig role, we probably have a GF instead of a roleblocker since the major town PR was a watcher. Having a second town PR, especially an info role doesn't make sense to me since it skews the game even further towards town. Considering that you haven't provided us with any actual information, I'm having a hard time believing your claim.

Edit after post: But I guess since it seems like everyone disagrees with me though, so w/e. I already typed it all out and I'm standing by that point.

Also, I'm with TDC on wanting to hear more about your choices

[TDC]

How is 2 in 9 skewed towards town? Mafia win Newbie games all the time, and those not only have a semi-open setup but potentially more town power as well.

[Tazaro]

Same goes for any combination of podium and us two, actually, he's around, too.

Pretty sure we should lynch UT.

O, that's a great use of logic.

Vote: Untrod Tripod

[Tazaro]

Pretty sure we should lynch UT.

Any doubt holding you back?

[LimMePls]

There is no need to rush this lynch. ISOs are under way. Today isn't just for lynching obv-scum UT, but for finding his partner too.

Taz's vote looks like he is eager to be on the bus.

[LimMePls]

Pretty sure we should lynch UT.

Any doubt holding you back?

LOL! Especially with this!

[Tazaro]

You're next to be lynched, aren't you?

[TDC]

There is no need to rush this lynch.

Exactly.

Taz's vote looks like he is eager to be on the bus.

Meh, from Taz-town perspective, UT must be scum because otherwise he'd be dead by now.

[Untrod Tripod]

Pretty sure we should lynch UT.

Any doubt holding you back?

you can't be 100% of anyone's alignment as a townie unless you're cop. And even then you can't always be 100%

obviously he doesn't agree with me about you lying about a PR, so he wants to take it more slowly than you do. So we won't lose. Wanting to rush lynches is scumtell.

@TDC I remember reading about win probabilities a long time ago and I thought 5 VT 1 cop 1 GF 1 goon was skewed slightly town. Can't find that table now, so I'll retract that statement unless I can find it.

[TDC]

Pretty sure we should lynch UT.

Any doubt holding you back?

you can't be 100% of anyone's alignment as a townie unless you're cop. And even then you can't always be 100%

You say that, but completely contradict it when you vote Taz for his claim right away (which would've resulted in instant loss if both of you had been town).
You can't tell me that you read his claim and were that sure of him being scum.

[Tazaro]

Either (1) UT is scum; or (2) he would have been hammered by now.

[Untrod Tripod]

Either (1) UT is scum; or (2) he would have been hammered by now.

or you're scum and your pard'ner (if this game has a two person mafia team) is waiting for someone else to vote for me

[Tazaro]

Either (1) UT is scum; or (2) he would have been hammered by now.

or you're scum and your pard'ner (if this game has a two person mafia team) is waiting for someone else to vote for me

Yeah, I can only speak from my point of view.

[LimMePls]

Either (1) UT is scum; or (2) he would have been hammered by now.

or you're scum and your pard'ner (if this game has a two person mafia team) is waiting for someone else to vote for me

Or you're both scum distancing from each other.

[TDC]

Remember how Taz tried to tell Incognito that UT was town?

[Untrod Tripod]

Pretty sure we should lynch UT.

Any doubt holding you back?

you can't be 100% of anyone's alignment as a townie unless you're cop. And even then you can't always be 100%

You say that, but completely contradict it when you vote Taz for his claim right away (which would've resulted in instant loss if both of you had been town).
You can't tell me that you read his claim and were that sure of him being scum.

...I never said I was 100%. Taz is at L-2, I wanted to apply pressure, especially to get him to say more about his targets (if he is in fact a tracker).

[TDC]

Again, if you are town and if he is town and you put him on L-2 and there are two scum and the game is over with a mislynch.

Well.

You know.

[Untrod Tripod]

Is he dead?

No?

Then I'd say there's a pretty good chance he's NOT town.

[Tazaro]

Is he dead?

No?

Then I'd say there's a pretty good chance he's NOT town.

Same for you, buddy.

[Untrod Tripod]

This is all, of course, assuming there are two scum. We don't know that for sure.

Maybe there's one scum, it's neither me nor Taz, and it's someone who's pushing to lynch either of us hoping to make tomorrow a surprise 3-man LyoL. Just a thought.

[TDC]

Is he dead?

No?

Then I'd say there's a pretty good chance he's NOT town.

I'm not sure what's so hard to get here. What I'm saying is that as a townie, you better be bloody sure you're right when you lay down a vote in LyLo, within one page of the day starting, when the mass claim isn't even finished.
Laying that kind of vote down "for pressure" is ridiculous.