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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:04 am

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1. Yes, I am un-counterclaimed mason, and I took care to associate myself slightly with CKD last day too.

Rather pointless question to ask me in my opinion, if it were me questioning the player likely to be town I'll be asking for his reads or opinion on certain situations.

also declaring I'll probably be absent until Thursday since I have lab reports to prepare and hand in next few days. On that note
Unvote
for now since I don't want the day to end while I'm gone either.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:20 am

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1. in this post, what are you certain about? that Taz is scum or that Guppy is town. in both cases, why are you so certain about it?
2. is voting for a stupid reason scummy? (in particular, is Taz scummy for voting for an "asinine reason"? isn't that a form of "not knowing what he is doing" too?)
1. I've explained my Taz reasoning adequately, that's why I'm so certain that he's pushing this wagon. The reason I immediately discounted it as bussing scum-scum is that you're hopping on with such terrible (lack of?) reasoning, so I'm wary of that as a potential scum push.
2. In this case, it could also be deliberate, and considering the rest of his scumminess, it makes more sense that a bad vote would be a deliberate move. I realize that Tazaro is operating on the premise of him having no damned clue, but the fact of the matter is that I've seen him commit actual scumtells. Not like, being stupid while floundering, actual scumtells.

Tasky's Qs irk me as well at a first glance, I'll have to look at them later.

@Oman: FakeGod's NOT confirmed? Town-Charlie said for fact that he was. Why are you still trying to refute this?
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:53 am

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If I unvote
Unvote: Prof Guppy

Is that a scumtell?
I think I'll vote for someone else.
Vote: yabbaguy
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:23 am

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Ye VI mislynch-advocate.
And I'm saying my tells are scumtells and not VI-tells. Burden of proof is yours.
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:02 am

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VOTE COUNT

Tazaro (2): yabbaguy, PieMan
PieMan (3): Reckamonic, Prof. Guppy, Oman
Prof. Guppy (2): Tasky, FakeGod
yabbaguy (1): Tazaro
Not voting (1): brianj

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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:27 pm

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TOWN:

brianj - This is just really fucking obvious. He's an un-CC'd mason.
FakeGod - His claim and Charlie's flip saved him. Not to mention, his posts 347 & 348 hit the nail on the head.
Reckamonic - durrrrrrrp.

@yabbaguy:
In regards to your question in 331, we went after the "mason" pair because their opening statements of being useless town roles directly contradicted them soft-claiming some kind of alignment confirmed masons, which
are absolutely 100% not useless
.

Professor Guppy
's 324 is completely useless. It'd be different if it was just a post stating he was behind and was gonna catch up, but he comes in right after our vote on Pieman and insinuates that his (Guppy's) stance on Pieman is wishy-washy and thus will reread to "reevaluate". His eventual vote on Pieman in 334 is a hearty dose of irony: "After reviewing the thread, I realized he's making posts without information." Not to mention, his response to Tasky's vote on him in 345 kind of reeks of useless IIoA.

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could
be". For someone who's playing a vote with no explanation, he seems rather unsure about it. He has a weak FOS out on Oman as of 370, and that just screaaaams non-committal. He's unwilling to lay a vote down on Oman, but is willing to call him out on the contingency that Pieman is town? The contradictions don't add up. By the way, his vote in 377 is wayyyy too bombastic. It's like he's
daring
us to vote for him or is trying to play the "I'm too stupid to be scum" card.

Oman
is a really tough read for us. I don't like how he attempts to dismiss Xite's former suspicions in post 350. Also, call it gut, but 359 just seems like he's trying way too hard to look town, especially when in 360 he reverts to saying that he has reservations about the wagon. In 371, he sees to devalue both leading wagons, yet earlier suggested the possibility that it could be lylo. Why is he okay with being on one of those wagons if
he thinks it could be lylo
!?


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Tasky wrote:1. do you still think Charlie is "plain dumb"? (*)
2. do you think FakeGod is going to be today's mafia-kill? (*)
3. if I were a doc, who should I protect?
4. if we lynch Pieman today and he flips town, would you be willing to take a lynch tomorrow?
1. We think he sincerely underestimated the power of his role.
2. It's possible, but then again, this is total pre-kill WIFOM.
3. brianj, stupid question.
4. Never in hell. We're town. Also, after proper re-read, we changed our status on the Pieman thing.
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:12 am

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Reckamonic wrote:Why is he okay with being on one of those wagons if he thinks it could be lylo!?
Assuming you want this answered: Wagons build information. I would never say I have no intention for a lynch right now because that devalues pressure (like I just did!).
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:25 am

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brianj wrote:1. Yes, I am un-counterclaimed mason, and I took care to associate myself slightly with CKD last day too.

Rather pointless question to ask me in my opinion, if it were me questioning the player likely to be town I'll be asking for his reads or opinion on certain situations.

also declaring I'll probably be absent until Thursday since I have lab reports to prepare and hand in next few days. On that note
Unvote
for now since I don't want the day to end while I'm gone either.

What are your opinions/reads on our situation?
yabbadabbadoo wrote:@Oman: FakeGod's NOT confirmed? Town-Charlie said for fact that he was. Why are you still trying to refute this?
He just feels really off, and the confirmation process was almost entirely his side, Charlie didn't confirm him until very late in the game, and even then it felt reluctant.

Okay looking for...oh...ah...after looking for the quotes to support the above I found this
charlie, quite early wrote: This completes the cycle: If I die and flip town he is confirmed town. If he dies and flips town I am confirmed town. If anything else occurs, I shall neuter a cougar.


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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:07 am

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Oman wrote:
Reckamonic wrote:Why is he okay with being on one of those wagons if he thinks it could be lylo!?
Assuming you want this answered: Wagons build information. I would never say I have no intention for a lynch right now because that devalues pressure (like I just did!).
Pressure thereby devalued.
Where's Pieman?
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:46 am

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Reckamonic wrote:
TOWN:

brianj - This is just really fucking obvious. He's an un-CC'd mason.
FakeGod - His claim and Charlie's flip saved him.
Not to mention, his posts 347 & 348 hit the nail on the head.

Reckamonic - durrrrrrrp.
bold mine: please explain this.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:16 pm

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Prof. Guppy

after rereading through his iso, I am inclined to believe that he is not voting in a pro-town fashion, and find his comments relating to xite suspect, in how he sees him as town, and yet votes for him multiple times. It is of my opinion that something does not add up.
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:51 pm

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Thought so.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:20 am

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Oman wrote:Thought so.
explain better plz. what did you think?
what implications do you think it has?
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:14 am

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I'mma be busy today.
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:34 am

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yabbaguy wrote:Tasky's Qs irk me as well at a first glance, I'll have to look at them later.
did you look at them?

people... please keep up the game.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:47 am

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Damn it, why did I let yabbaguy get me distracted from Prof. Guppy?
Unvote: yabbaguy

Vote: Prof. Guppy

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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:27 am

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Tasky wrote:
Oman wrote:Thought so.
explain better plz. what did you think?
what implications do you think it has?
The whole competing wagons thing was to see where Pieman and Guppy would go with their votes. Guppy's has maintained, which...well it was there for a while (pre my vote). So I guess it doesn't really fit into this. I can't retroactively call him on that. What does fit however is that Pieman has never previously referenced Guppy. Well once and it was "I don't remember any post about guppy". And now he's voting him *only* because he is the other wagon. Look at the reasoning he puts with his vote "not voting in a pro-town way". It's self-perpetuating. But now that he is the other dude, he just throws the vote down.

My vote on Pieman stays, and I'm happy with it there.
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:39 pm

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I'm back, guys. I was without internet for 2 days, (hotel's wifi fails for some reason)

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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:10 pm

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Tasky, on a second glance at your questions, I found some of them pointless, but really none of them scummy. The weirdness of asking "what do you think I think" (e.g. @brianj) was what got my attention, and I'm not sure why you asked it, but yeah.
Pieman wrote:after rereading through his iso, I am inclined to believe that [Guppy] is not voting in a pro-town fashion, and find his comments relating to xite suspect, in how he sees him as town, and yet votes for him multiple times. It is of my opinion that something does not add up.
After reading the ISO myself, I don't agree with the part of him finding Xite Town, and it's quite inaccurate that he voted him multiple times, it was just that once. He voted you and Xite (Town), and IIRC, you really didn't have much to say against the former. If you thought two of those votes (yours) were anti-Town, why are you yapping at Guppy *now* instead of back at the time?
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:25 pm

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Originally I did not see the oddity of his voting, but when I went back, I could see that his attitude of voting did not make logical sense to me.
Simple Simon met a pieman going to the fair;
Said Simple Simon to the pieman "Let me taste your ware"
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Said Simple Simon to the pieman "Sir, I have not any!"
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:04 pm

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If by "making sense" you mean "not lynching you", I can see how you made that decision.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:41 am

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Prof. Guppy

Self-hammer to stop discussion flat.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:57 am

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Fuck, I'm wrong again. >:(

But I'm still genuinely confused here, how was he scum? I really didn't see anything that stuck out at me, and I went through that ISO multiple times.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:16 am

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Pshaw, fixating much attention on details from the ISO of Prof. Guppy and appropiating logic to those details is too analytical; the key to guessing Prof. Guppy as scum was to use GUT. yabbaguy, why tell us you're confused? It doesn't give you something to boast about. I have to sit down and ponder...
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:20 am

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Tazaro wrote:Pshaw, fixating much attention on details from the ISO of Prof. Guppy and appropiating logic to those details is too analytical; the key to guessing Prof. Guppy as scum was to use GUT. yabbaguy, why tell us you're confused? It doesn't give you something to boast about. I have to sit down and ponder...
And I sense that There's still seemingly a long game ahead of us.
I sense that we're a slow paced group.
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