Mars 2/Mini 243 - We Didn't Start the Fire, Game Over

[BabyJesus]

shouldn't you be unvoting....

why would i do that? I'm still incredibly sure of my correctness. if i'm not, oh noes, i'll probably die. we're in the same sort of boat.

this confuses me.... I have been confirmed....

yeah, but you could just as easily been confirmed by a scum partner. this has happened to me numerous times and i'm just not willing to take the chance right now.

are you still 100% willing to be lynched tomorrow if I am telling the truth....

[Nai]

Here's the difference Tamuz with your craplogic: I'm another townie proving him. He's another townie proving me. Where the townie proving you're not scum? Nowhere! You have no confirmation! If one of us dies, me or him, the other is confirmed! Where as you have no guarentees at all. Got it?

As for Bloojay, I'd love to hear his buddies speak up to confirm him. Otherwise, he's just a townie whose pulling stuff out of his butt to support a craplogic argument.

[Tamuz]

Nai, that is my damn point. Are YOU willing to risk your life, or BJ's (actually, I'm sure you'd risk his) to prove the other one of you innocent. On top of that there is always the chance of a good and bad pair and somebody lying about their role PM's specification that their partner is innocent. I'm saying that my hypothetical situation is just as useless as your current situation with BJ. It tells US (being the rest of the town) nothing, although it might tell you something.

I don't 'got' your talking.

[Nai]

But here's the deal. There isn't anyone coming forwards to prove Bloojay's claim. If I die (hell, I have no problem with it, though I'd love to live to endgame every so often), BJ is cleared. However, no one can clear Bloojay at this present time. Even if we lynch a Mason, we don't know if they were connected to Bloojay. That's the problem.

[LyingBrian]

There isn't anyone coming forwards to prove Bloojay's claim.

which is why i think bloojay makes a better lynch than BabyJesus at this point in time.

[Tamuz]

There isn't anyone coming forwards to prove Bloojay's claim.

Yet. You came out , I'd suppose, because BJ was in danger of being lynched. Whereas Bloo isn't in as big of a danger as BJ was when you claimed.

[stark]

bump. we havent heard from bloojay in a while. perhaps we need a deadline to get us moving?

[Iammars]

But I hate deadlines.

All right, this is your warning. Discussion better pick up, or I place a deadline.

[bloojay]

shouldn't you be unvoting....

why would i do that? I'm still incredibly sure of my correctness. if i'm not, oh noes, i'll probably die. we're in the same sort of boat.

this confuses me.... I have been confirmed....

yeah, but you could just as easily been confirmed by a scum partner. this has happened to me numerous times and i'm just not willing to take the chance right now.

are you still 100% willing to be lynched tomorrow if I am telling the truth....

a-yup. because I know that I am telling the truth about my role as well, and if i'm wrong somehow then i get the "oh NOES! he told us to lynch you but was wrong" stuff that you got and maybe one or both of my buddies will confirm me after i get bandwagoned, if I get lynched it is the town's loss and the scum's gain.

[Nai]

Lynching any confirmed townie is a loss. The problem is, there's only one way to truly confirm me or BJ over there: Lynch one of us. You, however, if you are telling the truth, have TWO buddies to confirm you. If that's true, that's 5 confirmed townies. Completely broken. Somehow, I don't think Iammars is that bad at setting things up.

[LyingBrian]

unvote

well i guess we shoud wait for BabyJesus to tell us what we need to do...

[BabyJesus]

unvote

well i guess we shoud wait for BabyJesus to tell us what we need to do...

I'm pretty sure lynching a confirmed "mason" is not the play....

[Tamuz]

unvote

well i guess we shoud wait for BabyJesus to tell us what we need to do...

I'm pretty sure lynching a confirmed "mason" is not the play....

Shouldn't it be "confirmed" rather than "mason"?

[Nai]

You're both right. I can't prove that he's town, neither can he prove me. Until either one of us dies or those that oppose our validity are proved scum. Mason is in quotes because we arn't QUITE masons.

[LyingBrian]

vote: bloojay

this day has to end some time & no one has stepped up to confirm bloojay as a mason, so he has the best chance of lying... if he's telling the truth, we still have 2 masons, and an easy lynch tomorrow...

[Iammars]

This day does have to end.

Retractable Deadline: 72 hrs.

(not including weekends.)
1/2 of normal need to lynch.

[BabyJesus]

vote: bloojay

this day has to end some time & no one has stepped up to confirm bloojay as a mason, so he has the best chance of lying... if he's telling the truth, we still have 2 masons, and an easy lynch tomorrow...

seriously, this guy is scum.

[BabyJesus]

unvote, vote lying brian

[This is not me]

i think we shouldnt go fdor safe lynches anymore we need to catch a scummy...

[bloojay]

vote: bloojay

this day has to end some time & no one has stepped up to confirm bloojay as a mason, so he has the best chance of lying... if he's telling the truth, we still have 2 masons, and an easy lynch tomorrow...

or, we can lynch babyjesus or Nai, prove one of them innocent if they ARE telling the truth, prove me innocent when you guy try and lynch me and a buddy comes to my rescue, and then know that we had 5 confirmed townies all along.

or, we could lynch you, and follow my other scenario tomorrow. I agree with BJ, what you said right there was mighty scummy.

FOS LyingBrian

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[Tamuz]

vote: bloojay

this day has to end some time & no one has stepped up to confirm bloojay as a mason, so he has the best chance of lying... if he's telling the truth, we still have 2 masons, and an easy lynch tomorrow...

seriously, this guy is scum.

Seriously, I know

It's that time Again!!! Vote Count:
LB- 1 (Tamuz)

And Brian, maybe, unlike BJ, bloojay hasn't been in enough trouble for his buddies to come out and support him. If you don't have to, don't out yourself. Or is that something that you haven't learned because you are still new at this?

[BabyJesus]

vote: bloojay

this day has to end some time & no one has stepped up to confirm bloojay as a mason, so he has the best chance of lying... if he's telling the truth, we still have 2 masons, and an easy lynch tomorrow...

or, we can lynch babyjesus or Nai, prove one of them innocent if they ARE telling the truth, prove me innocent when you guy try and lynch me and a buddy comes to my rescue, and then know that we had 5 confirmed townies all along.

or, we could lynch you, and follow my other scenario tomorrow. I agree with BJ, what you said right there was mighty scummy.

FOS LyingBrian

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I don't like the idea of lynching 2 pro-town people simply to confirm another 3.... thats just letting scum slide by without notice till day 4, I can;t imagine thats good....

Which is why I like a LB runup....his implication that if bloojay is innocent our next lynch is easy is EXTREMELY suspicious. What the hell does bloojay's innocence or lack of it have to do with anyone else??

[Nai]

Bloojay, here's my problem. If we have 5 confirmed townies, why don't your two partners come out? That's over half the town completely and utterly confirmed. More or less, anyways. Five out of 9 is a force to be reckoned with. It also means there are only 7 other people, which actually means only 4 now. If all five of us are clean, then we have 1 out of 4 chance of hitting a townie. If all of us come out, we've broken the game.

Which is EXACTLY why we should (if you are telling the truth), but is also EXACTLY why I doubt that the mod would ever do that.

[Tamuz]

If you were part of that 4 Nai, would you trust all 5 are innocent by word of mouth?
No way in hell I would or do

[BabyJesus]

if we out the other masons, we may as well out the cop too....at that point you KNOW the scum are gonna have it figured out pretty damn close.

Right now I'd be happy lynching LB.