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Hi guys, I hope I did not just sign up for kingmaker did I ? Because I kind of hate kingmaker :c

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Vote: Flava Flave

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I googled "vezok", I want my two seconds back.

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VOTE: Vote: Flava Flave

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Ooops sorry, was testing the "vote" button.
Anyway, Jdodge, are you going to comply with the voice of the people or are you going to be a selfish monarchist?

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1. Preview

2. Reasons for your vote; from now on no votes will be going without reasons or you will be on

the bad list

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3. Why should I comply with the majority? That seems like a really, really poor play.

1. Yeah, I hit submit instead of preview.
2. Wagonning mostly. It's nice of you to ask. Please don't use that big daddy tone with me again though, or I may just do things out of spite :p
3. Poor play, I don't know. I'm not very fond of kingmaker which I think is a near broken setup, its biggest flaw being that it discourage overall interests. What do you suggest we go about this?

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So let me make this clear, Panzerjager is a kitty on a pink tank and, his real name is Karen?
I mean Karen is Panzer, yeah?

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I want to execute Panzer. What do you guys think? I reserve the right to completely 180 on this tomorrow.

Completely 180ing on this now.

Why? I think Panzer's huge ass post about MBF was alright scummy, too serious too early. If I was king and had to make an execution on page 3 I would have possibly gone for Panzer. So what changed your mind?

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@springlulluby: What makes scum more likely to be "too serious too early"?

The combination of two factors mostly:
It is always harder for scum to judge the degree of an offence, making them more prone to inadequate reactions.
Scum like fire-proof votes.

What is your opinion on the matter?

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I guess the next question is why is kittytank too serious, rather than the right amount of seriousness? Since that's what point one predicates on.

Can you elaborate point two?

Well, because I didn't think MBF's "fishing" was as scummy as Panzer made it out to be. And by my point two I meant that scum liked to have vote that are un-attackable, factor which contribute to their tendency to be "too serious too early".

Too serious too early is a null tell because it is hypothetically in the town's interest to provoke people and spur discussion out of RVS. However, it can easily be misapplied in ways that assist the scum more. So null.

A thought that do not really pertain to the game. I'm worried about the line of thinking displayed above. Mafia play cannot be reduced to a given sets of situation to which one assign an arbitrary degree of "telling ness". Everything has to be adapted to the situation. But that's how I play mafia, and maybe this is how you play it.

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Shanba, what is the point of your post beside voicing your disagreement with "too serious too early"? Why are you giving a ready made excuse to Panzer who hasn't commented on my accusation yet

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Phone post. Jdodge s list is kinda key to me. UK is somewhat weird, but can t tell right now. UA is more annoying with the self vote thing than scummy. Ghost and Oman are seemingly not intereste, GW is more scummy being really under the radar. But I d look at scomanty at this time, the only post that looked like an opinion of sort from him was a post in which he states that he was high.

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"key" should be "meh" in above post?

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UK is creeping up my scumdar. Why did you feel obligated to choose in JD's list since he said people were open to give suggestion. Who do you think is scummy outside of that list?

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So to test this VOTE: Panzerjager.

JDodge, GW said that you could pass your kinship on, why didn't you?

When Oman flipped I thought about the guy he must have culted since it's day cult, I'm thinking Shanba. Would explain why he was not participative yesterday, he is my default lynch.

Scot who do you want to vote right now?

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BTW, I'm okay to lynch UA too if the self voting doesn't cease and desist presently.

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Face Day cult, not Face day cult.

Oh right. I'm amending what I said.

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GW, did your role state that JD could pass on his kingship after his day of reign?

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BTW, I'm leaning toward Flava Flave side, his case is not as bad as MBF makes it out to be.
The thing I don't like is FF's playing curve: lies low when a wagon starts on him, makes just average play afterwards, then come back in day 2 with a full case on MBF whom he hasn't mentioned once on day 1.

Scot, why aren't you voting then?

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Phone post. UA, I'm going to give you 48 to do something else than self-voting and whining when people votes you for it. Beyond that deadline I'm going to consider that you are intentionally and maliciously trying to play on "too scummy to be scum" and will vote you for it. Also, Flava Flave, why are you still pushing mike' s case while you have unvoted him?

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Also Shanba why are you voting Flava again?

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UA, are you saying that you have a restriction of some sort which doesn't allow you to vote people beside yourself?

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Alright, why am I always being left out of the dateraping action? I want some too :c My lynch list: Scot for being mild. UA for being "slightly more complicated than that". And Shanba for seemingly not following the game. VOTE: Scot

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Panzerjager did you kill mike?

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I posted yesterday. Gimme beak. And I'm certainly not quiet. If Flava could answer my question. Scot's last post does nothing for me, I can't wrap my mind around that whole overjustification or why he thought mike was not joking, but I don't think it is indicative of alignment.

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Double post due to phone. I'm still ok to see the Scot lynch through though, due to woobly early claim.

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wait why is MBF still alive in the votecount?

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Err, when exactly did Scot claim vig? I thought he claimed one shot jailkeep, and that whole thing about Nk miller vig was a nonsensical justification for not believing MBF?

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....Alright.

Scot is still totally scum though:

1. No mention of suspicions on MBF on day 1, plus generally scummy behavior.
2. MBF was a tough guy, probably survived the kill.
3. Obvious scummy target, as scot did not get rid the town of useless player like UA or even Por, but fell for MBF's kill baiting.

Whether Scot is mafia or Sk is still uncertain, but mafia claiming vig would be really surprising.
Nonetheless, I think it's ok to let it go, for the moment. Stating here that scot is going to be my default lynch if I don't find a better candidate, and I think that Scot should kill UA (this should also be put to a vote or something).

I agree that Flava Flave needs to be put on the grill. Flava, again, why did unvote MBF, while still pushing his case?

VOTE: Flava Flave

Also Scot, name your scumlist.

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I said why I found you scummy on day 1 already. Go verify. As to you finding MBF scummy I remember you favoring a GW lynch. And out of all the useless player MBF was not the worse, and I just don't see a town aligned vig targetting a soft claim day 1. Beside that what do you find scummy about me?

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Last post was adressed at Scot. Re:scumlist; lol Scot, you say that you are against scumlist, yet you state yours (UA and I apparently) in the very same post? Yeah, scum.

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BTW, when I stated that MBF was a tough guy, it wasn't a motive of suspicion, but me explaining myself the most likely reason why he survived the night despite you claiming that you targetted him.

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@Jdodge. No, the inconsistency is Scot's: I asked for a scumlist, he say that he is against them yet he states his. That's inconsistent. I personally have supple opinion over the matter, sometimes its better with one's cards close, sometimes it's not, mostly I don't care. But saying that you won't do something while doing it is definitevely scummy.

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@Scot. What in"

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list" can possibly make you think of "a review of every player". Crappy retcon, methinks. As to why my point 2 was where it was, it was just there in my train of thoughts. Also, as to your scumhunting, day 1 reason sticks, add to that you being mild - or laying low and having no opinion worthy of note if you like.

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Hey SL, what are your thoughts on scot?

Funny, I wanted to ask you the same.
Right now I going to do a reread, back to you guys in 2 hours.

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Posting after the deed. But since it's written I'll post it anyway.

Concerning Scot, the whole play around MBF was terrible and terribly scummy. After rereading, I still think he is more likely scum than town aligned vig, especially looking back at the three posts Scot posted right after MBF's fakeclaim, in which he doesn't address the issue directly, ie by simply asking if MBF was joking of not, hiding his curiosity over the situation by posting about other things. I think that were Scot a town aligned vig, he would have made a priority out of straightening the situation with MBF. Then there is the whole lot of terrible logic leap Jdodge already highlighted.

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Myk, I don't even know why you claimed, but since you did, please post flavor.

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Meh, I wanna see the flip while I'm on.

Come on!!

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Meh, I don't even know why people are saying that I read like town, I haven't played that well this game.

I"m also wary of Shanba and JD who seem to want to sandwich me for no reason that I can discern.

Porochaz is a tempting vote, but in reality he is more passive than scummy. Mykonian, I don't know, the claim make ok sense, but with the game as complicated as it is, one can't really tell.

Right now I kinda want to vote shanba, just for the heck of it. Por, Myk, and UA, what you think of lynching Shanba?

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Wait, Shanba, you do realise that if there are 3 scum, and UA is telling the truth about his role, the town is lost already, yes? Unless JD is scum and the quicklynch can't go through.

I'm thinking that you can't have missed that fact and am suspicious of you for it.

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I'm VLA for two days. But right now I'd lean myk scum.

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Sorry, I went away in the middle of the game, but you may all be happy to know that mafiascum.net is no longer greatwalled in China.

Scot's lynch was a gift to scum, I'm pretty sorry for weighting in on that one (even thought the play over mike was really ugly). Shanba was pinging really hard after that flip, but I guessed I would have voted UA too given his claim.

Anyway, I don't think scum played too well, but town - me included - was just flabberwobbly, and just not enough angry, or motivated I guess. I think JD and mike were fun player, even though I think JD's play over Shanba was quite bad, it kept me second guessing that you two were cop masons or something.

Actually, I guess that panzer played rather well succeeding in attracting the investigation D1 and just cruising it afterwards but I'm not sure that, for the first part, it was entirely a matter of skills