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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:12 pm

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:: VoteCount 2x0 ::


Antihero (0) -
MagnaofIllusion (0) -

RedCoyote (0) -

danakillsu (0) -

LynchMePls (0) -

XScorpion (0) -

Stef (0) -

drmyshottyizsik (0) -

mykonian (0) -


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Antihero, MagnaofIllusion, RedCoyote, danakillsu, LynchMePls, Xscorpion, Stef, drmyshottyizsik, mykonian


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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:23 pm

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first!
vote stef
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:25 pm

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agreed. Stef was "supposed" to be a confirmed towny. But he wasn't shot.

Plus the extensive case already on him:
vote Stef


and if I get the vig, I'll pump your dead body full with lead, Jack.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:04 pm

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Shotty wrote:first!
vote stef
Mykonian wrote:agreed. Stef was "supposed" to be a confirmed towny. But he wasn't shot.

Plus the extensive case already on him: vote Stef

and if I get the vig, I'll pump your dead body full with lead, Jack.
Um what?

Seriously folks I hate these votes. Jack’s ploy (which is classic Jack to fake-claim Day 1) was horrible but remember he did flip Town. Not scum-motivation to fake clear Stef in his play. And ignoring the inherent WIFOM in Stef’s continued existence is dangerous.
Stef certainly needs examined but let’s no go off half-cocked, as it were.

I need to go back and look at HC’s posts and suspcions. I think he was more likely the scum kill and thus his thoughts bear the most reflection.

Also Shotty your post is scummy as hell. No content at all to speak of Day 1 and then you suddenly rush to get a three word post with a vote in it?

LMP – your play Day 1 continues to resemble non-Town games for you. I’m not liking it. You are first on my list for an in-depth ISO.
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:16 pm

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okay, people. the person who HAD the vig ability needs to claim their kill. NOW. There's no risk involved since whoever it is doesn't still have the ability. Is there any problem with what I am saying here?
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:20 pm

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Magna: Have you played any games with Shotty before?
Actually, does everyone mind answering this question?

However, while Shotty is known to not be a master scumhunter, I expected better of mykonian than to vote Stef so quickly. It's almost as though he was looking for an excuse to lynch him, and found one through Jack's flip.
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:59 pm

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I hate those votes. Absolutely terrible.

@MoI: I dunno what to tell you, I'm town aligned miller. ISO away.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:51 pm

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GUYS.

I have been the motor behind the stef wagon all day long. I have made cases on him, called him out, etc. When Jack claimed, I was surprised how I could have been so wrong.

Now when Stef isn't "confirmed" anymore, I think his lynch would benefit us.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:14 pm

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mykonian wrote:
Stef wrote:He's using nothing but mod wifom (scum couldn't possibly get two night kills because that would be unblanced) to state that any person who has been the vig is a townie.
1. Most Mini games are unbalanced and biased towards scum, even after they are reviewed.
2. You don't know the rest of the PRs in the game.
3. You have no way of knowing if the Vig role hasn't been assigned completely random for today.

By what the mod is telling us the vig can be scum as well as town because he repeatedly used the word "player". By what mykonian is telling us,
tomorrow, the first thing this "vig" must do, is claim that he was the vig the first day. He is from then on a confirmed townie.
Therefore my problem with what he's saying. He is outguessing the mod and using that guess to call the D1 vig a confirmed townie.

Preview edit:
I've read what you are saying. You are still wrong for the reasons above.
So you assume that the mod would let his mechanic being ruined by accidentaly giving it to scum (who would then pass it on between them)

In stead of letting town have it at first and see if they could pass it on between them or if scum would look town enough?

omgus vote Stef
You are assuming a totally unbalanced setup and a possibly pointless mechanic from Kunkstar and his reviewer (who both aren't stupid), just to justify your vote on me. You are the scum here.
mykonian wrote:Posting all Stef's posts till his scorpion vote.
Stef wrote:Hello! Nice to be playing with some people I've played with before.

Vote David Parker
for being the first to post.
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mykonian wrote: 2. if scum would get the Vig ability, they would pass it around the team, thereby creating a second mafia kill. The mechanic would be useless, and almost never 2 mafia kills are balanced in a mini, so the current Vig is a townie.
tomorrow, the first thing this "vig" must do, is claim that he was the vig the first day. He is from then on a confirmed townie
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3.
kunkstar7 wrote:[*]
A clarification of Action Resolution:
The passing of the Vigilante ability onto another player occurs last in the series. Therefore, a kill targeted at the owner of the ability on night start will successfully eliminate the ability.
2. Hmmm...
Following the use of the Vigilante ability (or lack thereof), the current holder must select
a player
to pass the ability on to.
The ability will then move on to the selected player for their use.
The Vigilante Ability stacks with any ability you may have in your original Role PM.
What you are saying could look like you are trying to set-up false townie confirmations. Just saying.
Unvote Parker, Vote mykonian


Scorp get's just a fos for now but we got bigger fish to fry right now.
No reasons for the FoS. This was post 35.
Stef wrote:He's using nothing but mod wifom (scum couldn't possibly get two night kills because that would be unblanced) to state that any person who has been the vig is a townie.
1. Most Mini games are unbalanced and biased towards scum, even after they are reviewed.
2. You don't know the rest of the PRs in the game.
3. You have no way of knowing if the Vig role hasn't been assigned completely random for today.

By what the mod is telling us the vig can be scum as well as town because he repeatedly used the word "player". By what mykonian is telling us,
tomorrow, the first thing this "vig" must do, is claim that he was the vig the first day. He is from then on a confirmed townie.
Therefore my problem with what he's saying. He is outguessing the mod and using that guess to call the D1 vig a confirmed townie.

Preview edit:
I've read what you are saying. You are still wrong for the reasons above.
Stef wrote:Hmm... I was wrong. Scum having the vig ability would mean they could just pass it on among themselves and thus completely breaking the game. Mykonian is therefore probably right and not scummy for that post.
Unvote, Vote Scorp
And his vote. Still no reasons why Scorp is scum. This was post 46


On the other hand, I would totally not mind a LynchMePls lynch, after this part of his case made against me yesterday. He used a part of a post that was right in the middle of the RVS to argue that I was opportunistic in the end of day 1.
mykonian wrote:
LynchMePls wrote:Oh ya, so you didn't say:
mykonian wrote:jack is town.
? I think you can take your condescension and pedantic "preaching" and shove it. I've got a fine grasp on the game, and I've read everyone's posts
That quote is the
12th post in the game!
I'd think that my reads then aren't that accurate, and further, that in the next
16 pages
I might have a reason to change them. Esspecially if I posted that reasons. You don't even have a case. And if you quote from the 12th post in the game, you seriously have no fine grasp of the game.
As a conclusion: although we lost three towny's, I can't say I'm too unhappy. I had the feeling that Haschel was scum, although I couldn't find out why, and the other two were a distraction too. From my point of view, we lost three potential targets for a mislynch.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:36 am

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the doc 451 wrote:first!
vote stef
docshotty, I thought you liked me! Why do you treat this game so bad. :(

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I shot Jack last night. I felt strange about that claim from when the second he used it, and I'm not yet sure what exactly made him throw up a fake claim. He must've felt very sure about mykonian being scum.

That's okay though, I think the town is still in good shape. With a Miller about (I believe LynchMePls, even if Magna doesn't), I have to think the town has a little bit a power still.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:47 am

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don't answer this if you think it is a bad idea, but:

RC, did you pass on the vig ability to Haschel?


Before you answer, think: scum might very well try to hunt the vig tonight.
wifom about if the role still exists might benefit the town (though I'm of the opinion that it is better to know it).
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:16 am

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Alright. Any counterclaim to RC's shooting of Jack?
vote: mykonian

The Stef vote is awful and his last post looks like scum rolefishing.
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:47 am

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What part of my reasoning for my Stef vote is awful?
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:04 am

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unvote
vote mykonian

i was cool with either, and this has a better backing behind it.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:44 am

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great. Provide that backing (or did you mean dana's vote?)
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:46 am

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vote: Shotty

I want everyone to tell me
a) how many games they've played with shotty
b) what roles he was in those games
c) what they think of him so far.

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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:03 am

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0 times.
n/a
c) "if I modded a game, he wouldn't be allowed to /in" with the note: "I would like mods to know it is allowed to keep certain players out of your game. It is esspecially helpful if such an action would improve the overall fun for the rest of the players, something a mod should always be concerned about"

maybe I should put that note in my sig. If I could make it shorter.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:14 am

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ok, anyway.

3 scum, 9 players. Worst case scenario: we mislynch, vig shoots a townie. game over. On this moment, we have RC as likely town. His claim makes sense, and unless there is a counterclaim, I'm going to assume RC to be confirmed town. As of this moment:

Town:

RC
Xscorp
MoI

Scum

Stef (early half d1 case, then lurked out)
Lynchme (terrible end d1 case on me)

Neutral - scum

dr
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Please get (force)replaced:

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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:26 am

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a)19 times
b)4 scum
2cop
1 doc
7 towny
5 unfinished
c) I think he could be playing better and is really sorry, and will actually start to take the time to think for him self

with that said
unvote
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:26 am

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Stef and Antihero are the only players who have not posted in thread since Day start. A second prod has been sent to these players.
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:27 am

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I don't get all the criticism of the stef wagon. I think it's great. I'll finish my iso when I have more time.

VOTE: Stef

Oh, and mykonian, you can stop with the whole replacement thing.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:28 am

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3 scum, 9 players.
Wait when did we find this out?
Jack is town, and he may be right when he said there are only 2 scum.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:10 pm

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XScorpion wrote:
3 scum, 9 players.
Wait when did we find this out?
Jack is town, and he may be right when he said there are only 2 scum.
he said it at the start of day 1. He was a VT. The only thing he knew about the game was that there was a vig that didn't have to be town all the time. He "deduced" from this that the balance of the game would depend on numbers: 2-10 is a known mountainous setup, which shouldn't be affected too much by the random vig.

However, with a miller claim, we either know that there is a cop (if LMP is town) and the mod needed to weaken the cop someway, or scum fears a cop for some reason (if LMP is scum). A godfather would be such an indication for scum. With this knowledge, we know that town supposedly has some power that needed weakening... meaning we are probably not facing two scum.

but if we are, we are just lucky, and our job is easier.
Antihero wrote:Oh, and mykonian, you can stop with the whole replacement thing.
I hope you don't say this too easily. I can confidently say that I was more annoyed with how you treated this game then how annoyed you are at my insistence that you should be replaced.
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:34 pm

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Hey, wait a minute, mykonian. You're calling RC confirmed town why? Because he is uncc'd one shot vig from last night? He could still be scum. Scum are allowed to recieve that ability.
@ DrShotty
What's up with all the voting and unvoting? Is it really necessary? Are you helping town at all by your actions?
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:35 pm

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Anti
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You are dodging my question.
I get really really pissed off when people dodge my questions.
Answer before I start throwing votes at you.

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